[snarg]

correct me if i am wrong, professor: an eye for an eye is a quote from the bible
your bible, exodus, i believe

[BIRD33]

correct me if i am wrong, professor: an eye for an eye is a quote from the bible
your bible, exodus, i believe

Muslim law is what I'm talking about.Its still practiced.You steal in Saudia Arabia you get your hand cut off.Like I didnt know that was in the bible.

[snarg]

Muslim law is what I'm talking about.Its still practiced.You steal in Saudia Arabia you get your hand cut off.Like I didnt know that was in the bible.

i forgot, you know everything :roll:

you are the biggest tool on the entire internet
congrats on becoming number one!!!!

[BIRD33]

i forgot, you know everything :roll:

you are the biggest tool on the entire internet
congrats on becoming number one!!!!

Why am I the biggest tool on the internet for knowing a fact about the bible 90% of the population knows?Sorry I denied you the glory of telling me something I didnt know but its a shame you ended up looking like the tool by responding so fast its obvious I'm a big deal to you.

[BIRD33]

Calling people names may make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't make you right. Sad really.

So its Pelosi's fault?Thats kind of a stretch isnt it?I never defended her once in my life and I'm capable of blaming members of my own party.If you are saying she should share the blame which I agree with isnt that an aknowledgment that your president approved the torturing of people?If not then what are you trying to pin to Pelosi?

[snarg]

Why am I the biggest tool on the internet for knowing a fact about the bible 90% of the population knows?Sorry I denied you the glory of telling me something I didnt know but its a shame you ended up looking like the tool by responding so fast its obvious I'm a big deal to you.

this will definitely take "funniest post of the day" honors
you always have an answer

i suspect you think everything you say is true, simply because you wrote it
you are in serious denial, little man
is it true you were abused as a child??
that would explain a lot of your problem of being out of touch with reality
i have bad news for you: no one gives as rat's ass about your political views
people love to see you jump on your high horse and spout
it is cheap entertainment :cbox:

you're welcome

[BIRD33]

this will definitely take "funniest post of the day" honors
you always have an answer

i suspect you think everything you say is true, simply because you wrote it
you are in serious denial, little man
is it true you were abused as a child??
that would explain a lot of your problem of being out of touch with reality
i have bad news for you: no one gives as rat's ass about your political views
people love to see you jump on your high horse and spout
it is cheap entertainment :cbox:

you're welcome

No one cares but a sad old man took the time to write a paragraph.Hmmm.

[snarg]

i am a compassionate soul, and care even about hopeless cases like you

[BIRD33]

Its obvious you are in love with me.

[Moto]

So its Pelosi's fault?Thats kind of a stretch isnt it?I never defended her once in my life and I'm capable of blaming members of my own party.If you are saying she should share the blame which I agree with isnt that an aknowledgment that your president approved the torturing of people?If not then what are you trying to pin to Pelosi?

Not trying to pin it on anyone. It's just raises the question of 'who knew what and when?'. One of the reason Obama initially stated he would not prosecute anyone for torturing could be because he and the rest of congress were aware of what was going on. Don't you think that could be a possibility?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I think what we are seeing is the transition from the era of people that were raised with paddling and kicking the shit out of kids that fuck up, to the generation who's parents protect their kids even when they are wrong and go apeshit at the thought that someone would even raise a hand to them for anything. I guess we'll see how it works out. It seems to be working really well in the public school system : eyerollslimey :

[BIRD33]

The four congressman on that committee knew for sure.I read that they were the only ones briefed due to security concerns of telling the whole congress.Knowing makes them culpable I agree but isnt that an admission that a crime took place?The "what" in your who knew what and when question is a criminal action.

But really who cares who or when people at the very bottom of the chain of command new about this?They only knew about things that the presidents lawyers deemed legal and being that the program was classified at the time couldnt really tell anyone about it.The congress people were cowards but thats not illegal and they will take a hit over this.

Isnt the real issue though the presidents lawyers coming up with legal arguments to justify torturing people at the presidents direction?This is illegal and it starts at the top.Shifting the focus to congressman who just knew what was going on and didnt have any power in this is just a distraction from illegal actions taken by the heads of our government.

Torture is immoral.Rape is immoral.If the presidents lawyers came up with a legal justification for raping inmates would that be acceptable to you?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

If the presidents lawyers came up with a legal justification for raping inmates would that be acceptable to you?

:drool:

[BIRD33]

I think what we are seeing is the transition from the era of people that were raised with paddling and kicking the shit out of kids that fuck up, to the generation who's parents protect their kids even when they are wrong and go apeshit at the thought that someone would even raise a hand to them for anything. I guess we'll see how it works out. It seems to be working really well in the public school system : eyerollslimey :

If that were true wouldnt we have been torturing prior to 2003 say back during the WW2 days since those people were paddled too and doing the paddling?Your logic doesnt make sense.

I guess when you paddle your kid you are telling them you are going to kill them?The threat of death while spanking a kid is the only way paddling and torture would similar.

The british experienced something worse then 9\11 during ww2 when germany was bombing them during the blitz but they didnt have to resort to torture.Why?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

If that were true wouldnt we have been torturing prior to 2003 say back during the WW2 days since those people were paddled too and doing the paddling?Your logic doesnt make sense.

I guess when you paddle your kid you are telling them you are going to kill them?The threat of death while spanking a kid is the only way paddling and torture would similar.

The british experienced something worse then 9\11 during ww2 when germany was bombing them during the blitz but they didnt have to resort to torture.Why?

In a kid's eyes, the threat of having their ass beat with a paddle is pretty much a threat of death. I know the coaches felt that way about it.

I have no idea what they did back in Vietnam, Korea and WW2. I would guess, since the press had a pretty minimal access to much of anything and "covert" things back then meant that no one would find out about them, that there was a lot going on that no one ever knew about.

I know what was done to many of the japanese american people after pearl harbor was pretty bad. Many of them would have probably called it torture, and there might have been torture.

I know we tortured the vietnamese. I have heard hands on stories about how we killed women and children and prisoners that had surrendered.

And I guess the reason the british didn't have to torture after the blitz was because we kicked the shit out of germany soon after that, totally destroying the nazi rule. And I would guess that a few of the nazi captors experienced some unpleasant days in captivity.

[BIRD33]

In a kid's eyes, the threat of having their ass beat with a paddle is pretty much a threat of death. I know the coaches felt that way about it.

I have no idea what they did back in Vietnam, Korea and WW2. I would guess, since the press had a pretty minimal access to much of anything and "covert" things back then meant that no one would find out about them, that there was a lot going on that no one ever knew about.

I know what was done to many of the japanese american people after pearl harbor was pretty bad. Many of them would have probably called it torture, and there might have been torture.

I know we tortured the vietnamese. I have heard hands on stories about how we killed women and children and prisoners that had surrendered.

And I guess the reason the british didn't have to torture after the blitz was because we kicked the shit out of germany soon after that, totally destroying the nazi rule. And I would guess that a few of the nazi captors experienced some unpleasant days in captivity.

There are so many factually wrong things in your post its kind of amazing.

We interred japanese after pearl harbor.I've never read that we tortured anyone.In fact we prosecuted Japs for waterboarding our service men.Kind of ironic, huh?

We prosecuted people who destroyed whole villages in nam.Did we do anything that would be considered torture that wasnt prosecuted, sure.None of those things came from direct orders of the president.Thats the difference in whats going on today.

You know nothing about ww2 obviuosly.It was 4 years after the blitz that germany surrenderd so its plain to see you've never even thought about why and just guessed the reason they didnt torture.The british take pride in the fact they didnt need to torture to get info.We used to feel the same way.


Torture is shown to not work.Why are you married to defending something that is proven to be unreliable and immoral?

[BIRD33]

Read up, flumper.Imagine being at the lowest point for your country ever, being on the brink of losing the war to germany and still not throwing away your morals and torturing people.


The Blitz was the sustained bombing of Britain by Nazi Germany between 7 September 1940 and 10 May 1941, in World War II. While the "Blitz" hit many towns and cities across the country, it began with the bombing of London for 57 consecutive nights .[2] By the end of May 1941, over 43,000 civilians, half of them in London, had been killed by bombing and more than a million houses were destroyed or damaged in London alone.[3][4]

[Moto]

The four congressman on that committee knew for sure.I read that they were the only ones briefed due to security concerns of telling the whole congress.Knowing makes them culpable I agree but isnt that an admission that a crime took place?The "what" in your who knew what and when question is a criminal action.

But really who cares who or when people at the very bottom of the chain of command new about this?They only knew about things that the presidents lawyers deemed legal and being that the program was classified at the time couldnt really tell anyone about it.The congress people were cowards but thats not illegal and they will take a hit over this.

Isnt the real issue though the presidents lawyers coming up with legal arguments to justify torturing people at the presidents direction?This is illegal and it starts at the top.Shifting the focus to congressman who just knew what was going on and didnt have any power in this is just a distraction from illegal actions taken by the heads of our government.

Torture is immoral.Rape is immoral.If the presidents lawyers came up with a legal justification for raping inmates would that be acceptable to you?

That's crux of the issue. You have immoral people judging the morals of others.

[Moto]

*judging/questioning

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

You know nothing about ww2 obviuosly.It was 4 years after the blitz that germany surrenderd so its plain to see you've never even thought about why and just guessed the reason they didnt torture.The british take pride in the fact they didnt need to torture to get info.We used to feel the same way.


Torture is shown to not work.Why are you married to defending something that is proven to be unreliable and immoral?

Explain to me how you torture people for doing something until you can capture them?

I'm not defending torture. I'm just saying that you don't know what methods have been used over the years, only what they have told you have happened over the years.

If you want to ban torture, then do it. But don't start trying to prosecute people from the past. Just move on.