[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Read up, flumper.Imagine being at the lowest point for your country ever, being on the brink of losing the war to germany and still not throwing away your morals and torturing people.


The Blitz was the sustained bombing of Britain by Nazi Germany between 7 September 1940 and 10 May 1941, in World War II. While the "Blitz" hit many towns and cities across the country, it began with the bombing of London for 57 consecutive nights .[2] By the end of May 1941, over 43,000 civilians, half of them in London, had been killed by bombing and more than a million houses were destroyed or damaged in London alone.[3][4]

It was a War.

[BIRD33]

That's crux of the issue. You have immoral people judging the morals of others.

This isnt me judging an individual.This is me judging what people are doing in my name as an american citizen.I don't want to live in a country that tortures.Thats a step away from the dark ages.


Morals arent even the crux of the issue.Torture was and is illegal in this country.How it got approved for use is the crux.All roads lead to the same office.

[BIRD33]

It was a War.

War on terror ring a bell?

Its not proven to work and almost all credible people say it hurts us more than it could help.Why are you so invested in defending something like that?

[BIRD33]

Explain to me how you torture people for doing something until you can capture them?

I'm not defending torture. I'm just saying that you don't know what methods have been used over the years, only what they have told you have happened over the years.

If you want to ban torture, then do it. But don't start trying to prosecute people from the past. Just move on.

Torture was never an official method until bush had his lawyers parse wording of laws to suit what he wanted to do.Remember that famous Nixon line "When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."?Did you agree with Nixon then?

Reagan was the one who championed international laws on torture as a way to show the world how fucked up our cold war adversaries were.Look at us now.

From the past as in 5 years ago?There is no statute of limitations on war crimes.Ask that 90 year old nazi guard that just got deported last month.

I get you're embarrassed that a guy you backed heavily has turned out to be such a train wreck and just want to move on but there are larger things at stake then your ego here like our moral high ground when dealing with other countries.How do we tell china that their human rights are deplorable if they can say well you guys torture people too?Remember that plane of ours that they captured a few years back where they held our crew for a few months?What if they waterboarded our people then?No problem with that?Keep in mind we violated their air space so they could have tried everyone of those people for espionage.

[BIRD33]

“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them,” - George Orwell.

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“The
Bird33 not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by himself, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even acknowledging them,” - George Orwell.

[BIRD33]

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!