01-09-2006, 11:17 PM
Time for a bet, homey!
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Tribal f'n Dragon
01-09-2006, 11:30 PM
I will be riding the Patriots wagon till the end. The spouser is a big Broncos fan. (I have no idea why). This could get ugly.
apple Wrote:Aww, but mich, its only a 22 year age difference, I'm still legal :broken:
Bill Wrote:The pool is frozen like Tom Foolery's Saturday night date's snatch.
pineschic Wrote:comon' over here big boy (Vita E).. I'll warm you right up. lol
01-09-2006, 11:35 PM
Michman Wrote:I will be riding the Patriots wagon till the end. The spouser is a big Broncos fan. (I have no idea why). This could get ugly.
me too, or at least until the indy game :|
I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk. A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind. A need to return to genuine practice, right effort. Need to push on the great doubt. Need for the spirit. Hang on to the clear light.
Thomas Merton
01-10-2006, 01:00 AM
Anhil8tor Wrote:I'll be riding michmans spousers wagon
BTW i told her what you said about pics.....she said to get the camera.
apple Wrote:Aww, but mich, its only a 22 year age difference, I'm still legal :broken:
Bill Wrote:The pool is frozen like Tom Foolery's Saturday night date's snatch.
pineschic Wrote:comon' over here big boy (Vita E).. I'll warm you right up. lol
01-10-2006, 01:02 AM
Michman Wrote:BTW i told her what you said about pics.....she said to get the camera.
fuckin sweet..
should I take my pants off now?
01-10-2006, 06:36 AM
This is gonna be good.
01-10-2006, 07:54 PM
New England Patriots at Denver Broncos (Saturday, Jan. 14, 8 p.m. ET)
1. Would you believe the NFL's best run defense in the second half of the season was the Patriots? It's true, and that defense will get a great test against the Broncos. The Patriots gave up only 68.6 rushing yards per game in the second half of the season. In the first eight games, the Patriots were gashed for 128.8 yards a game. During that time, they were without defensive end Richard Seymour -- a disruptive force along the line -- for four games because of a knee injury. It also helped getting Tedy Bruschi back, although he missed Saturday's playoff game against the Jaguars with a calf injury. Probably just as significant was that nose tackle Vince Wilfork improved in the second half of the season. Earlier in the year, Wilfork was being pushed back with one blocker in a lot of instances. Of course, a lot of the Patriots' second-half success stopping the run came at the expense of their weaker AFC East rivals. The Jets and Bills couldn't do anything against the Patriots in the four games in the second half. The Patriots come into the game with a lot of confidence, but they still have some fundamental problems.
2. The Broncos matchup is a bad one for the Patriots, who lost in Denver 28-20 on Oct. 16. It's a bad matchup for two reasons. First, the Broncos' running game will be hard for the Patriots to stop. The Broncos gained 178 yards on the Patriots on 34 carries, and they gashed the Patriots for long runs. Center Tom Nalen will be a tough challenge for Wilfork. Plus, Tatum Bell has the speed and power to burn them again. In many ways, Bell is the most dangerous runner for the Patriots to stop. As long as he doesn't dance at the line of scrimmage, he can hit holes with speed and power. This is why the Patriots will need Bruschi's experience at inside linebacker. The combo of Mike Vrabel and Monty Beisel will have a hard time preventing Bell from ripping big runs through the middle of the defense. Mike Shanahan will start Mike Anderson, but Bell will see a lot of action.
The other reason the Broncos are a tough matchup is because they can get the ball deep. Ashley Lelie is a deep threat and he's big. Rod Smith got deep on the Patriots, and before long, the Broncos led 28-3 in the first game. With six New England defensive backs out for the season, the secondary is vulnerable to teams with the ability to get the ball deep. Jake Plummer will scramble to buy time for those long attempts.
3. Corey Dillon's injuries have made the Patriots' rushing attack inconsistent all season. Dillon missed a decent amount of the Jaguars game, and the running offense was bailed out by Kevin Faulk, who is effective as a runner and a pass catcher. The Patriots averaged only 94.5 rushing yards per game and a mere 3.4 yards per carry. The Patriots had only five regular-season games in which they had more than 100 rushing yards as a team. In many ways, the Patriots' offense is closer to the first two Super Bowl teams than last year's. Dillon could be counted on getting 100 yards individually in 2004. It's become a Tom Brady offense, with limited support from the running game. Few defenses have frustrated Brady this season, but for this game, the Patriots need Dillon. Broncos defensive coordinator Larry Coyer does a nice job designing zone-blitz schemes but sometimes relies on them too much. The best way to beat a zone-blitzing team is to run, which his why the Patriots need much, much more from Dillon or Faulk.
4. The Broncos' acquisition of four former members of the Cleveland Browns' defensive line improved the depth and the defensive fortunes of the Broncos, but it didn't do much for the pass rush. The Broncos had only 28 sacks as a team, including only 10 sacks by Cleveland castoffs Ebenezer Ekuban, Courtney Brown, Michael Myers and Gerard Warren. Last year, the Broncos had 38 sacks, including 10½ by departed defensive end Reggie Hayward. The most dangerous player on the line is defensive end Trevor Pryce, who surprisingly had only four sacks. Pryce should be able to dominate Patriots rookie left tackle Nick Kaczur. Pryce is physical and quick. He can beat a blocker with power or speed. Well-rested because of the bye week, Pryce could be extra dangerous. The Patriots will probably have to put a tight end on Kaczur's side to help block Pryce. If not, Brady could be forced into making some quick throws and potentially some mistakes. Watch for Pryce to be a big factor in the game.
5. With the extra week to prepare, it will be interesting to see what new things Mike Shanahan comes up with to try against the Patriots' defense. It wouldn't be surprising if he uses his tight ends -- Jeb Putzier and Stephen Alexander -- to test the coverage ability of the Patriots' safeties. The Patriots' defense hasn't been the same without Rodney Harrison, who was one of the main leaders of the defense. Eugene Wilson does a good job in coverage, and he is physical. Because of the injuries, the Patriots have been converting other cornerbacks into safeties like Artrell Hawkins. While Hawkins is known for his coverage, Shanahan could try to test his ability to make tackles down field against Putzier and Alexander. The Patriots are one of the few teams in the NFL that has gone "four corners." Because of their injuries, they've had no choice. That may help in some coverage matchups, but it hurts in tackling. If running plays get into the secondary, they could result in longer runs. If the corners-turned-safeties don't match up against the tight ends, that's a problem. We'll see if Shanahan will try to test that.
• X-factor: The Patriots. Are they back to being a Super Bowl-caliber team or did the schedule just make them a playoff team that could be eliminated in this round? They have improved in defending the run. They have one of the most dangerous passing games in football. Tom Brady continues to work his magic through the air. But how good are they?
• X-and-O factor: Jake Plummer seems to have overcome his problems against 3-4 defenses, but Bill Belichick will look through all the tape to see if he can keep Plummer in the pocket. In the past, Plummer had horrible days against 3-4 schemes that restricted him to being just a pocket passer. In the pocket, Plummer was a 50 percent passer in past years. Now, he's better, but Belichick will see what schemes might cause him problems. That's what he does the best.
• Rx factor (health): The Broncos are healthy coming off the bye. They will have Darrent Williams back at cornerback. He's been fighting a high ankle sprain. The Patriots didn't play Tedy Bruschi against Jacksonville but he should be available next weekend. Naturally, Belichick will keep everyone guessing about Bruschi's status all week.
• Numbers cruncher: Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel had a tough season for the Patriots. According to Stats Inc, Samuel has been beaten for 49 completions for 830 yards, the sixth- highest yardage total in the league this year.
• The Patriots will win if: They keep Plummer in the pocket and minimize the impact of the Broncos' consistent running game. Belichick's strength is taking away one part of a team's offense. In the last meeting, he couldn't stop any aspect of the Broncos' game and fell behind 28-3. The Patriots were at their worst when they met in October. This has to be a different game.
• The Broncos will win if: They copy the formula that beat the Patriots earlier this year. They need to break long runs and throw some long passes to Ashley Lelie and Rod Smith. The key is jumping out to a big lead and forcing Tom Brady to throw the ball all day.
-- John Clayton
1. Would you believe the NFL's best run defense in the second half of the season was the Patriots? It's true, and that defense will get a great test against the Broncos. The Patriots gave up only 68.6 rushing yards per game in the second half of the season. In the first eight games, the Patriots were gashed for 128.8 yards a game. During that time, they were without defensive end Richard Seymour -- a disruptive force along the line -- for four games because of a knee injury. It also helped getting Tedy Bruschi back, although he missed Saturday's playoff game against the Jaguars with a calf injury. Probably just as significant was that nose tackle Vince Wilfork improved in the second half of the season. Earlier in the year, Wilfork was being pushed back with one blocker in a lot of instances. Of course, a lot of the Patriots' second-half success stopping the run came at the expense of their weaker AFC East rivals. The Jets and Bills couldn't do anything against the Patriots in the four games in the second half. The Patriots come into the game with a lot of confidence, but they still have some fundamental problems.
2. The Broncos matchup is a bad one for the Patriots, who lost in Denver 28-20 on Oct. 16. It's a bad matchup for two reasons. First, the Broncos' running game will be hard for the Patriots to stop. The Broncos gained 178 yards on the Patriots on 34 carries, and they gashed the Patriots for long runs. Center Tom Nalen will be a tough challenge for Wilfork. Plus, Tatum Bell has the speed and power to burn them again. In many ways, Bell is the most dangerous runner for the Patriots to stop. As long as he doesn't dance at the line of scrimmage, he can hit holes with speed and power. This is why the Patriots will need Bruschi's experience at inside linebacker. The combo of Mike Vrabel and Monty Beisel will have a hard time preventing Bell from ripping big runs through the middle of the defense. Mike Shanahan will start Mike Anderson, but Bell will see a lot of action.
The other reason the Broncos are a tough matchup is because they can get the ball deep. Ashley Lelie is a deep threat and he's big. Rod Smith got deep on the Patriots, and before long, the Broncos led 28-3 in the first game. With six New England defensive backs out for the season, the secondary is vulnerable to teams with the ability to get the ball deep. Jake Plummer will scramble to buy time for those long attempts.
3. Corey Dillon's injuries have made the Patriots' rushing attack inconsistent all season. Dillon missed a decent amount of the Jaguars game, and the running offense was bailed out by Kevin Faulk, who is effective as a runner and a pass catcher. The Patriots averaged only 94.5 rushing yards per game and a mere 3.4 yards per carry. The Patriots had only five regular-season games in which they had more than 100 rushing yards as a team. In many ways, the Patriots' offense is closer to the first two Super Bowl teams than last year's. Dillon could be counted on getting 100 yards individually in 2004. It's become a Tom Brady offense, with limited support from the running game. Few defenses have frustrated Brady this season, but for this game, the Patriots need Dillon. Broncos defensive coordinator Larry Coyer does a nice job designing zone-blitz schemes but sometimes relies on them too much. The best way to beat a zone-blitzing team is to run, which his why the Patriots need much, much more from Dillon or Faulk.
4. The Broncos' acquisition of four former members of the Cleveland Browns' defensive line improved the depth and the defensive fortunes of the Broncos, but it didn't do much for the pass rush. The Broncos had only 28 sacks as a team, including only 10 sacks by Cleveland castoffs Ebenezer Ekuban, Courtney Brown, Michael Myers and Gerard Warren. Last year, the Broncos had 38 sacks, including 10½ by departed defensive end Reggie Hayward. The most dangerous player on the line is defensive end Trevor Pryce, who surprisingly had only four sacks. Pryce should be able to dominate Patriots rookie left tackle Nick Kaczur. Pryce is physical and quick. He can beat a blocker with power or speed. Well-rested because of the bye week, Pryce could be extra dangerous. The Patriots will probably have to put a tight end on Kaczur's side to help block Pryce. If not, Brady could be forced into making some quick throws and potentially some mistakes. Watch for Pryce to be a big factor in the game.
5. With the extra week to prepare, it will be interesting to see what new things Mike Shanahan comes up with to try against the Patriots' defense. It wouldn't be surprising if he uses his tight ends -- Jeb Putzier and Stephen Alexander -- to test the coverage ability of the Patriots' safeties. The Patriots' defense hasn't been the same without Rodney Harrison, who was one of the main leaders of the defense. Eugene Wilson does a good job in coverage, and he is physical. Because of the injuries, the Patriots have been converting other cornerbacks into safeties like Artrell Hawkins. While Hawkins is known for his coverage, Shanahan could try to test his ability to make tackles down field against Putzier and Alexander. The Patriots are one of the few teams in the NFL that has gone "four corners." Because of their injuries, they've had no choice. That may help in some coverage matchups, but it hurts in tackling. If running plays get into the secondary, they could result in longer runs. If the corners-turned-safeties don't match up against the tight ends, that's a problem. We'll see if Shanahan will try to test that.
• X-factor: The Patriots. Are they back to being a Super Bowl-caliber team or did the schedule just make them a playoff team that could be eliminated in this round? They have improved in defending the run. They have one of the most dangerous passing games in football. Tom Brady continues to work his magic through the air. But how good are they?
• X-and-O factor: Jake Plummer seems to have overcome his problems against 3-4 defenses, but Bill Belichick will look through all the tape to see if he can keep Plummer in the pocket. In the past, Plummer had horrible days against 3-4 schemes that restricted him to being just a pocket passer. In the pocket, Plummer was a 50 percent passer in past years. Now, he's better, but Belichick will see what schemes might cause him problems. That's what he does the best.
• Rx factor (health): The Broncos are healthy coming off the bye. They will have Darrent Williams back at cornerback. He's been fighting a high ankle sprain. The Patriots didn't play Tedy Bruschi against Jacksonville but he should be available next weekend. Naturally, Belichick will keep everyone guessing about Bruschi's status all week.
• Numbers cruncher: Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel had a tough season for the Patriots. According to Stats Inc, Samuel has been beaten for 49 completions for 830 yards, the sixth- highest yardage total in the league this year.
• The Patriots will win if: They keep Plummer in the pocket and minimize the impact of the Broncos' consistent running game. Belichick's strength is taking away one part of a team's offense. In the last meeting, he couldn't stop any aspect of the Broncos' game and fell behind 28-3. The Patriots were at their worst when they met in October. This has to be a different game.
• The Broncos will win if: They copy the formula that beat the Patriots earlier this year. They need to break long runs and throw some long passes to Ashley Lelie and Rod Smith. The key is jumping out to a big lead and forcing Tom Brady to throw the ball all day.
-- John Clayton
Son, I am Disappoint.
01-10-2006, 09:14 PM
Since 2001, the Patriots are 18-3 when playing a team for the second time in a season (mostly division games).
Furthermore, they're 6-0 when the other team beat them the first time around. Both figures involve mostly division games, but also include teams like the '01 Rams and '04 Steelers.
I also believe that Tom Brady is 1-3 against the Broncos...
Any bet will be fine.
Furthermore, they're 6-0 when the other team beat them the first time around. Both figures involve mostly division games, but also include teams like the '01 Rams and '04 Steelers.
I also believe that Tom Brady is 1-3 against the Broncos...
Any bet will be fine.
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