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Define: apocryphal
#1

"Writings or statements of questionable authorship or authenticity."

About 60% of the Dead Sea Scrolls have been deemed apocrypha, and only 40% of them are included in the biblical manuscripts.

Seems to me, that by that definition the entire Bible is apocrypha.

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#2

My poop hasnt been very solid lately.

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#3

This is exactly how I pictured this thread going.

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#4

would this apply to all these pm's that will show e-infidelity
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quint Wrote:would this apply to all these pm's that will show e-infidelity

This is exactly how I pictured this thread going.

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#6

So you mean they think that 60% of the dead sea scrolls are fakes? i'm confused.
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#7

On another note, why is your nic now Leucifer? What happened to Leucitios (or whatever it was)? And what did Leucitios even mean in the first place? Thanks.
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Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:So you mean they think that 60% of the dead sea scrolls are fakes? i'm confused.

Not exactly.

Quote:The Dead Sea Scrolls are traditionally divided into three groups: "Biblical" manuscripts (copies of texts from the Hebrew Bible), which comprise roughly 40% of the identified scrolls; "Apocryphal" or "Pseudepigraphical" manuscripts (known documents from the Second Temple Period like Enoch, Jubilees, Tobit, Sirach, non-canonical psalms, etc., that were not ultimately canonized in the Hebrew Bible), which comprise roughly 30% of the identified scrolls; and "Sectarian" manuscripts (previously unknown documents that speak to the rules and beliefs of a particular group or groups within greater Judaism) like the Community Rule, War Scroll, Pesher (Hebrew pesher פשר = "Commentary") on Habakkuk, and the Rule of the Blessing, which comprise roughly 30% of the identified scrolls.[5]

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#9

And another thing, now did it work out with the gf moving in with you? is she still there? did you get married?
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#10

leucifer Wrote:Not exactly.

so if 40% were "copies of text from the hebrew bible" then the dead sea scrolls were not used to write the bible?
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Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:And another thing, now did it work out with the gf moving in with you? is she still there? did you get married?

I did get married, back in the late 90s, but it didn't work out.

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leucifer Wrote:I did get married, back in the late 90s, but it didn't work out.

what about the gf moving in? how'd that work out? is she still there?
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Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:so if 40% were "copies of text from the hebrew bible" then the dead sea scrolls were not used to write the bible?

They may have been, but more importantly they speak to how accurately the bible has been translated over the years. "Before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible were Masoretic texts dating to 10th century CE such as the Aleppo Codex. The biblical manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls push that date back a millennium to the 2nd century BCE"

So rather than rely on 10th century documents as a primary source, we can rely on documents that are 2000 years old to see how well the translations have held up over time.

Or something. I really didn't think this was going to end up being a serious thread.

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#14

Do the scrolls say if adultery on the intraweb count in the top 10... or is it the actual thing?
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Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:what about the gf moving in? how'd that work out? is she still there?

It didn't work out that well, turns out the wife didn't like it, hence the divorce.

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leucifer Wrote:They may have been, but more importantly they speak to how accurately the bible has been translated over the years. "Before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible were Masoretic texts dating to 10th century CE such as the Aleppo Codex. The biblical manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls push that date back a millennium to the 2nd century BCE"

So rather than rely on 10th century documents as a primary source, we can rely on documents that are 2000 years old to see how well the translations have held up over time.

Or something. I really didn't think this was going to end up being a serious thread.

So is the bible accurate or is it apocryphal? Are some of the books of the bible completely accurate? Which books are considered apocryphal?
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Anhil8tor Wrote:So is the bible accurate or is it apocryphal? Are some of the books of the bible completely accurate? Which books are considered apocryphal?

I personally consider the whole bible apocryphal.

Christians believe the bible is accurate and true. The apocryphal books aren't included in the bible things like the books of Enoch (which as I understand it is kinda the first superhero story), Jubilees, Tobit, Sirach. Not part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gospel of Thomas is also consider apocryphal and not included in the bible.

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leucifer Wrote:It didn't work out that well, turns out the wife didn't like it, hence the divorce.

and this happened in the 90's? what about the gf that moved in with you just a few years ago? how'd that work out? is she still there?
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#19

If you want to see what the Bible really is and just laugh at it for the rest of your life read this book.

http://www.evolutionofgod.net/

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BIRD33 Wrote:If you want to see what the Bible really is and just laugh at it for the rest of your life read this book.

http://www.evolutionofgod.net/

Added to my Amazon shopping cart, I'll be reading this soon.

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