[Ironcandle]

Our Congress (US) is pretty upset with Spain for backing out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Seems like our European friends have been pretty quiet about that.

Have any of our European members heard any reactions to the new situation in Spain?

[bobbythong]

To be honest IC the UK government is in hot water over Iraq and really doesn`t want to rock the boat. Tony Blair only got support from parliament beacuse of a report insisting Sadam definitely had WMD`s, but that`s now backfiring so he`s trying to keep it out of the political agenda.

[parwell]

well this a very good question,

Spain went to war but 90 per cent of the population was against it. It was a gouvernment decision, and it is quite the same in the UK, most of the population is against that war (somtething like 55percent).

The problem is NOT fighting terrorism.

But more feeling that the reasons we have been told to go to war were wrong (and all of them!.

I can speak as a French guy, I definitely support the war on terrorism but going to war is another thing, here in Europe we have experienced many war over the past 150years, destroying our soil, buildings, cities and killing our parents etc...
Things that has not happened to the US ground. So we are always pretty cold to send troops unless reasons are EVIDENT.

I know we are starting a HOT topic here,

but I will be interested to discuss it, hoping we won't reach the same level we did on Ugay forum, where basically the discussion was one way even if they were wrong.

Parwell

[Ironcandle]

I don't want this to turn into a pissing match either. This place is too mellow for that, which is good.

The reason I ask, besides the fact that Europeans are pretty scarce here, is they seem so quiet after this election. Americans, in general, are beginning to feel abandoned in this fight.

The facts you point out, Parwell, are interesting. Europeans are tired of wars and want them to end, I can understand that. My family, uncles, fought in Europe during WWII and one did not come back, so I am inclined to agree with that philosophy. At the same time, does it make sense to stop fighting if they are STILL fighting and attacking citizens.

oops.

[Hambone]

I can speak as a French guy, I definitely support the war on terrorism but going to war is another thing, here in Europe we have experienced many war over the past 150years, destroying our soil, buildings, cities and killing our parents etc...

I believe that everybody has a right to determine if that county should go to war, but when the facts come out and we were lied to then that is different.

Terrorist are saying that it is a holy war, but if you look at history the middle east have been in a holy war for the past 200 years and now it is just starting to spread throughout the world.

The US has had very little terrorism but it will start getting worse, unless it is stopped.

I don't believe in war , but to ensure that terrorism is stopped then the World may have to suffer a little more.

[Velvet]

Well im australian and we are about as far away as you can get but I know our troops will be there till the end . Its the right thing to do to help the innocent people of that country.They have suffered for way to long .

[Hambone]

Velvet I know that all of the countries will help but if alot of australian's are killed then nobody knows if their country will pull them out.

I feel that during WWII the US would not have gotten envolved if Geremany would not have sunk Lustiana(SP) and Japan did not bomb Pearl Harbor, b

[Hambone]

Velvet I know that all of the countries will help but if alot of australian's are killed then nobody knows if your country will pull them out.

I feel that during WWII, the US would not have gotten envolved if Geremany would not have sunk Lustiana(SP) and Japan did not bomb Pearl Harbor, but ever since the US has been the large part of the world police force, Haiti, Somalia, Yugoslavia, and any place else that the UN thought they could not control.

So if the US pulled out of all of the areas the we are involved then the rest of the world would question us on "do you care about the human race".

We have done as much as any bodyelse. So If they want war or uprising in other contries then so be it. Don't ask my son to come help.


Thats my opinion and if you dissagree sorry.

[Velvet]

Hambone we havent lost a solider yet . Our government has pledged that they will be there until everything is fixed no matter what .

[Hambone]

Vel, I hope you a right , but as you know the people have a say and the goverment will listen.

All of my friends that are in country and my self hope that all of the countries stay to correct the problems in that area.

[Velvet]

We are coming up to an election but it is understood already that we stay no matter who is in power . So its not an issue for the voters .And I wish your friends a safe tour of duty and hope they all get home soon

[Hambone]

Thanks Velvet, and I hope it all ends soon.