[BIRD33]

I can criticize him. I thought the debate last night was pretty much blah. Neither said much that I had not heard. I was a little surprised with McCain's surprise idea that the government is going to buy up everyone's "devaluation" of their house so that they can refinance at the new lower value of it.

I was also disappointed that McCain continues to use that "96 times Obama voted to raise taxes or not cut taxes or whatever". Surely he has read by now that the facts are out, and that is a misrepresenation. That is exactly the kind of thing that I can't stand about politics. Same thing I was pissed at Joe Biden for the other night. To take votes and things that they good and fucking well know are outright lies and twist them around to try and trick people into believing otherwise.

And I still have a hard time with the argument that they have over McCain's "no tax increases" vs Obama's "Only tax people making over $250,000".

I know that many many small business owners make $250,000 or more. They have to pay personal income tax and the tax on their corporation combined. If you run a decent sized small business that should be over $250,000 if you have any employees. Obviously MOST of that money remains in the company, and the only part you take out is the taxes and a nominal salary.

I don't believe Obama when he says that 95% of small businesses will not be affected.

I also don't understand why McCain won't come off of his "tax cuts for everyone" policy. Right now that sends exactly the wrong message. I agree that $250,000 is too low of a number. But seriously, why not $1,000,000. or $2,000,000? Anything to get rid of Obama's constant retort of how he is putting $4 billion or whatever it is into the hands of big oil.

I don't see McCain having a chance at this point. Not unless they have some picture of Obama fucking a farm animal and holding the Quaran.

I don't like Obama's stance on small business taxes either.My company is definitely a small business a we are incorporated so we will be hit by his tax plan.The number should be raised to half a million at least.It did strike me as odd that 95% of small businesses don't make 250 g's or higher.That seems way low since 60% of the people I deal with are small businesses and they all make easily over 250.Unfortunately our economy is in the shitter so they need to get the money from somewhere.Obama just has more overall positives so I just have to suck it up.

[BIRD33]

God, I hope Biden gets alzheimers and soils himself in the white house basement for 4 years.

If you ever want to know what the right thing to do is, ask Joe Biden and then do the opposite.

I can come up with a bunch of things Biden did that you would support.You are hung up on the debate and some lie he told that all politicians tell.

[Anhil8tor]

Mccains job last night was to sway those voters that are on the fence. IMO he played it so conservative that he actually hurt himself.


its like trying to nail jello to a wall? WTF man? really?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

The next 30 days is going to get ugly.

[BIRD33]

Mccains job last night was to sway those voters that are on the fence. IMO he played it so conservative that he actually hurt himself.


its like trying to nail jello to a wall? WTF man? really?

Old people like Jello.He went up half a % in Florida with that line.

[BIRD33]

The next 30 days is going to get ugly.

They've already tried to tie Obama to a terrorist and it was like a fart in the wind.I don't think it will be that ugly.Mccain will go out with a whimper.

[quint]

obama should be ahead by 30 points due to the war and economy.
the lack of blow out speaks volumes regarding the people's lack of confidence .
mccain looks like he just wants to go home and take a nap.

[BIRD33]

obama should be ahead by 30 points due to the war and economy.
the lack of blow out speaks volumes regarding the people's lack of confidence .
mccain looks like he just wants to go home and take a nap.

Its cause he's black.

West Virginia is a solid union state.Why is he struggling there?Come on, quint, its obvious.The fact a black guy is up 10 points on a war hero speaks volumes don't ya think?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Its cause he's black.

West Virginia is a solid union state.Why is he struggling there?Come on, quint, its obvious.The fact a black guy is up 10 points on a war hero speaks volumes don't ya think?

I'd be much cooler with him being the next president if he would get a divorce first. I don't find much about him to be racial. I can't say the same for his wife.

[quint]

i'm sure being black and his name are factors.
i really think his lack of substance hurts him just as much. i'm watching his health care commercial and it is bubblegum for the brain.
this contest shouldn't even be close. mccain should be goldwater in this race.

[BIRD33]

I'd be much cooler with him being the next president if he would get a divorce first. I don't find much about him to be racial. I can't say the same for his wife.

Besides the one statement taken out of context about her finally being proud of America what don't you like about her?

I think she's great and will be the Jackie Kennedy of our time but with more impact.A strong,educated black woman is a great example we never had in his country beside freaking Oprah.

[BIRD33]

i'm sure being black and his name are factors.
i really think his lack of substance hurts him just as much. i'm watching his health care commercial and it is bubblegum for the brain.
this contest shouldn't even be close. mccain should be goldwater in this race.

What % do you attribute his color impacting his lead?I'd say around 15 to 20% which puts him close to being up 30.

Obama's health care plan is universally thought of as a better plan than Mccains.Mccain glossed over his plan last night because he knows its weaker than Obama's.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Besides the one statement taken out of context about her finally being proud of America what don't you like about her?

I think she's great and will be the Jackie Kennedy of our time but with more impact.A strong,educated black woman is a great example we never had in his country beside freaking Oprah.

Read the thesis that she wrote in college (Princeton I think). She favors a separation of the races (black and white). She is very bitter toward white people.

She is the reason that Obama was going to that crazy church. I think Obama was like the rest of us, we go where the wife tells us and then we get to pick where we eat lunch and we get the TV all afternoon for football.

[BIRD33]

Interesting video laying out Palins ties to the Alaska succession party.Is it just me or does it kind of make sense that Palin would support these guys in hope to becoming the leader of a new nation?Its sad that is a possibility.

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[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Interesting video laying out Palins ties to the Alaska succession party.Is it just me or does it kind of make sense that Palin would support these guys in hope to becoming the leader of a new nation?Its sad that is a possibility.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

Its time for you guys to take the high road, friend. That's just silly.

[quint]

i don't like either plan for health care.
obama's is better than hillary's, but both border on socialism.
the economy, banking, job losses overseas, the trade imbalance, and alternative fuels should be the main points of focus.

if the economy is broken all the other stuff isn't worth shit.

i still haven't heard either person tell us how we are going to deal with china.
i still haven't heard either of them map out a clear plan to being a world economic leader again.

[BIRD33]

Its time for you guys to take the high road, friend. That's just silly.

Nothing is fabricated in that video.Its all facts so it is the high road.Don't you think its odd her husband joins the party and she makes a speech to them?For what purpose?Most of the people in that party don't vote in American elections anyway so what did she stand to gain?We know nothing about her so I believe these questions are worthy.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

i still haven't heard either person tell us how we are going to deal with china.
i still haven't heard either of them map out a clear plan to being a world economic leader again.

Don't be stupid. We have a clear plan on how to deal with China, and its already been implemented. Here it is in a nutshell.

1. We trick them into investing all of their money into our economy.

2. We squander that money to all the American people and then tell them not to worry about paying it back.

3. We then watch our country go bankrupt.

4. If our plan succeeds, the chinese economy will fall right behind ours.

Brilliant, don't you think.

As for our becoming a world economic leader again, this might be a little more tricky. Hopefully all of the other nation's economies will crumble in the wake of ours and the Chinese and we can win our world status again because everyone's economy sucks so bad that ours isn't any worse than theirs.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Nothing is fabricated in that video.Its all facts so it is the high road.Don't you think its odd her husband joins the party and she makes a speech to them?For what purpose?Most of the people in that party don't vote in American elections anyway so what did she stand to gain?We know nothing about her so I believe these questions are worthy.

I didn't even watch it. I'm just going to continue to bury my head in the sand and assume that Sarah Palin doesn't plan on taking over the country so that she can help Alaska secede from the Union.

[BIRD33]

You have to admit its odd that we have a VP candidate who's husband was in a party that wanted its state to leave the union.Those fuckers think they live in a foreign country and she'll be their queen.