10-03-2008, 10:41 AM
nboy Wrote:are you implying some adulterous and horny err un-religious things happening up there in the big north ?
I'd guess everything is frozen to stasis, she's actually born 1812.
Why do I keep this cesspool alive?
So I was watching the State of the Union last night....
I'd guess everything is frozen to stasis, she's actually born 1812.
Why do I keep this cesspool alive?
10-03-2008, 03:20 PM
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See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Watched the debate after my softball game (2-4, 2RBI 2 RS) and it was pretty much like I expected.The format favored Palin because it didnt allow for follow up questions that can expose her by getting into details which she struggles with.Overall no big winner either way.Biden avoided acting like a dick to her and I feel was the more reassuring candidate.A draw helps Obama, Mccain needed a huge mistake for the debate to make any difference.Its looking like Obama will run away with this.I for one welcome our new black overlord.
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 05:26 PM
Well, you have to give the win to Palin in the debate. Even though Biden was obviously more knowledgable, he made some pretty pointed lies when it came to how people had voted. Palin failed to punch him in the face several times when he was throwing her lob balls. Biden would have been killed in a real debate.
Not to say that Palin wouldn't have been equally killed, but since everyone was expecting her to flail around like a retard, she gets the win.
Not to say that Palin wouldn't have been equally killed, but since everyone was expecting her to flail around like a retard, she gets the win.
10-03-2008, 05:34 PM
She didnt piss herself on stage so it was a success.Your republican candidate for VP, everyone!
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 05:56 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:She didnt piss herself on stage so it was a success.Your republican candidate for VP, everyone!
Weren't you surprised at the flat out lies that Biden threw out there. Not just once but several times the same ones. I hope that someone pounces on that and makes it public the same old Washington lies and bullshit that an old politician like Joe Biden will do to win an election.
I guess it isn't a lie if no one calls you on it.
10-03-2008, 06:08 PM
Which ones?
Bottom line is who do you feel more comfortable with running the country on Nov 1.I think Biden clearly was the winner in that respect.A lot of people are thinking she seems nice but who is she and why would we entrust her with the most important position on earth?
Bottom line is who do you feel more comfortable with running the country on Nov 1.I think Biden clearly was the winner in that respect.A lot of people are thinking she seems nice but who is she and why would we entrust her with the most important position on earth?
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 06:11 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:Which ones?
Man, there were so many.
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10-03-2008, 06:16 PM
I'm pretty sure both sides are telling half truths like Mccain saying Obama wants to teach preschool kids sex education when he really wants them to have information on staying away from pedophiles.
Its to late in the game for that to matter.Now its all about who do you trust.Don't make me laugh to hard with this fake moral outrage after you've spent 8 years looking the other way when bush exaggerated everything like mccains black love child.
Its to late in the game for that to matter.Now its all about who do you trust.Don't make me laugh to hard with this fake moral outrage after you've spent 8 years looking the other way when bush exaggerated everything like mccains black love child.
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 06:22 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:I'm pretty sure both sides are telling half truths like Mccain saying Obama wants to teach preschool kids sex education when he really wants them to have information on staying away from pedophiles.
Its to late in the game for that to matter.Now its all about who do you trust.Don't make me laugh to hard with this fake moral outrage after you've spent 8 years looking the other way when bush exaggerated everything like mccains black love child.
Its' about who do you trust? That's my point. Why would Biden feel the need to stand up there and flat out lie like that.
And don't try to tell me that Biden was really trying to convince the American people that McCain voted the same way on the bill to fund the troops as Obama did. No matter how he twists that, we all know for a fact how both of the candidates came on that issue.
Obama did not want to fund the troops and he wanted to get them out of there.
McCain wanted to fund the surge because he thought that was the only way to win the war.
What made McCain vote for "that" bill was because the Democrats forced a timeline on it and Biden knows that. For him to stand up there last night and try to convince America that McCain was against funding the troops is a flat out lie and he knows it.
I wish it was about who do i trust. I certainly would trust Sarah Palin much more than I would Joe Biden. I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to walk my dog.
10-03-2008, 06:27 PM
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Its' about who do you trust? That's my point. Why would Biden feel the need to stand up there and flat out lie like that.
And don't try to tell me that Biden was really trying to convince the American people that McCain voted the same way on the bill to fund the troops as Obama did. No matter how he twists that, we all know for a fact how both of the candidates came on that issue.
Obama did not want to fund the troops and he wanted to get them out of there.
McCain wanted to fund the surge because he thought that was the only way to win the war.
What made McCain vote for "that" bill was because the Democrats forced a timeline on it and Biden knows that. For him to stand up there last night and try to convince America that McCain was against funding the troops is a flat out lie and he knows it.
I wish it was about who do i trust. I certainly would trust Sarah Palin much more than I would Joe Biden. I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to walk my dog.
Mccain has flat out lied as well like I pointed out but you seem to gloss over that.
Mccain would have never had the opportunity to vote on the surge if he had gotten it right in the first place and voted no on going to Iraq like Obama did.
You know nothing about Palin.Nothing.You are voting on your gut again not who has the best plans and ideas.That worked out well the last 8 years didnt it?
Its not even worth getting into it with you if you really would trust Palin over Biden.This is the chick who couldnt name a paper she reads that you were joking yesterday, remember?You see her speak in a complete sentence with no follow ups and you automatically forget she knows nothing about the issues?Its laughable.
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 06:33 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:Mccain would have never had the opportunity to vote on the surge if he had gotten it right in the first place and voted no on going to Iraq like Obama did.
You know nothing about Palin.Nothing.You are voting on your gut again not who has the best plans and ideas.That worked out well the last 8 years didnt it?
Its not even worth getting into it with you if you really would trust Palin over Biden.This is the chick who couldnt name a paper she reads that you were joking yesterday, remember?You see her speak in a complete sentence with no follow ups and you automatically forget she knows nothing about the issues?Its laughable.
Well, she didn't lie about what papers she read. Which I now suspect Joe Biden would have no trouble doing. The net is crawling with the list of lies that Joe Biden told last night. I've given you two.
You want another one? Biden said McCain voted âthe exact same wayâ as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
I hope you sell this message that it now becomes about "who do you trust".
10-03-2008, 06:35 PM
Serious question flumper.Do you think Palin should be required to do a press conference like Mccain has done a million times and Obama has done a million times and Biden has done 9 times since being selected as VP?Don't we deserve to get to the bottom of what she does know and how she indepth she knows it or should we just trust that she's capable?What does it tell you that the Mccain campaign is trying to shield her from any press conferences?
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 06:36 PM
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Well, she didn't lie about what papers she read. Which I now suspect Joe Biden would have no trouble doing. The net is crawling with the list of lies that Joe Biden told last night. I've given you two.
You want another one? Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
I hope you sell this message that it now becomes about "who do you trust".
I edited my comment to say Mccain has flat out lied as well which for some reason you gloss over.Why is that?
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 06:38 PM
Katie Couric asked the vice presidential nominees what is the "best and worst thing that Dick Cheney has done as Vice President?" Biden on Cheney's worst thing:
I think he's done more harm than any other single elected official in memory in terms of shredding the constitution. You know --condoning torture. Pushing torture as a policy. This idea of a unitary executive. Meaning the Congress and the people have no power in a time of war. And the President controls everything. I don't have any animus toward Dick Cheney but I really do think his attitude about the constitution and the prosecution of this war has been absolutely wrong.
What about Palin? Here's her answer:
[I]Palins response
Worst thing I guess that would have been the duck hunting accident--where you know, that was an accident. And I think that was made into a caricature of him. And that was kind of unfortunate. So the best thing though, he's shown support, along with George W. Bush, of our troops. And I've been there when George Bush has spoken to families of those who have suffered greatly, those who are serving in the military. I've been there when President Bush has embraced those families and expressed the concern and the sympathy speaking for all of America in those times. And for Dick Cheney to have supported that effort of George Bush's, I respect that.[/I]
Flumper is the worst thing Cheyney did in your mind in the last 8 years was that hunting accident?Seriously?
I think he's done more harm than any other single elected official in memory in terms of shredding the constitution. You know --condoning torture. Pushing torture as a policy. This idea of a unitary executive. Meaning the Congress and the people have no power in a time of war. And the President controls everything. I don't have any animus toward Dick Cheney but I really do think his attitude about the constitution and the prosecution of this war has been absolutely wrong.
What about Palin? Here's her answer:
[I]Palins response
Worst thing I guess that would have been the duck hunting accident--where you know, that was an accident. And I think that was made into a caricature of him. And that was kind of unfortunate. So the best thing though, he's shown support, along with George W. Bush, of our troops. And I've been there when George Bush has spoken to families of those who have suffered greatly, those who are serving in the military. I've been there when President Bush has embraced those families and expressed the concern and the sympathy speaking for all of America in those times. And for Dick Cheney to have supported that effort of George Bush's, I respect that.[/I]
Flumper is the worst thing Cheyney did in your mind in the last 8 years was that hunting accident?Seriously?
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 06:43 PM
did you see that story in the national enquirer about Palin cheating on her husband with the guy he owned a snow mobile dealership with.I know you're saying that mag is garbage but thats the same thing they said when the Edwards affair came out.Theres a good possibility its legit.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65481
In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!
No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with husband Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.
These sources have named Hanson as Palin’s secret love, and say their affair nearly wrecked both their marriages.
Hanson owned a snowmobile dealership with Palin’s husband Todd, who immediately dissolved the partnership after he heard stories about the affair, which occurred around 1996, according to the sources. At the time, Palin was mayor of Wasilla.
Palin has vehemently denied cheating on her husband, and Hanson insisted to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER that he was never romantically involved with the 44-year-old Republican vice presidential candidate.
However, Hanson family insider, Jim Burdett, has gone on the record and passed a rigorous polygraph test, revealing details of the affair to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER in a world exclusive interview.
Burdett is a former brother-in-law of Hanson’s estranged wife Carolyn's brother, Craig Batton, and still speaks with many family members.
“I’ve known about Brad having had an affair for a long time, but it wasn’t until just recently that I learned his affair was with Sarah Palin,” Burdett told The NATIONAL ENQUIRER.
“Sarah was elected mayor of Wasilla, Brad became a city council member in the nearby town of Palmer, and they started an affair.
“Todd found out about the affair and was so mad he broke up their partnership at the snowmobile dealership,” Burdett claimed.
Another source, who preferred to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions, provided The NATIONAL ENQUIRER with a sworn affidavit attesting to the Palin-Hanson story.
“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she realized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.
“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65481
In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!
No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with husband Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.
These sources have named Hanson as Palin’s secret love, and say their affair nearly wrecked both their marriages.
Hanson owned a snowmobile dealership with Palin’s husband Todd, who immediately dissolved the partnership after he heard stories about the affair, which occurred around 1996, according to the sources. At the time, Palin was mayor of Wasilla.
Palin has vehemently denied cheating on her husband, and Hanson insisted to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER that he was never romantically involved with the 44-year-old Republican vice presidential candidate.
However, Hanson family insider, Jim Burdett, has gone on the record and passed a rigorous polygraph test, revealing details of the affair to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER in a world exclusive interview.
Burdett is a former brother-in-law of Hanson’s estranged wife Carolyn's brother, Craig Batton, and still speaks with many family members.
“I’ve known about Brad having had an affair for a long time, but it wasn’t until just recently that I learned his affair was with Sarah Palin,” Burdett told The NATIONAL ENQUIRER.
“Sarah was elected mayor of Wasilla, Brad became a city council member in the nearby town of Palmer, and they started an affair.
“Todd found out about the affair and was so mad he broke up their partnership at the snowmobile dealership,” Burdett claimed.
Another source, who preferred to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions, provided The NATIONAL ENQUIRER with a sworn affidavit attesting to the Palin-Hanson story.
“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she realized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.
“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”
See You In Toledo
10-03-2008, 10:10 PM
Biden also lied about McCain's health care plan when he basically said that you get $5,000 but lose $12,000 which is a net loss of $7,000.
He pretty much summed it up as though McCain was going to give you shittier health insurance and steal $7,000 from your pocket.
That is a lie and he knows it. I think that the general concensus of the people that have studied McCain's plan is that the average American would be about the same or slightly better off over the next 10 years.
Why did he have to resort to lies last night?
He pretty much summed it up as though McCain was going to give you shittier health insurance and steal $7,000 from your pocket.
That is a lie and he knows it. I think that the general concensus of the people that have studied McCain's plan is that the average American would be about the same or slightly better off over the next 10 years.
Why did he have to resort to lies last night?
10-03-2008, 10:59 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sounds like a man grasping at straws
sounds like a man grasping at straws
I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk. A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind. A need to return to genuine practice, right effort. Need to push on the great doubt. Need for the spirit. Hang on to the clear light.
Thomas Merton
10-03-2008, 11:04 PM
snarg Wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sounds like a man grasping at straws
That's what I am thinking. If Biden thinks his ticket is so solid, why would he resort to blatantly lying about McCain?
10-03-2008, 11:05 PM
:lool: BIRD is quoting the National Enquirer. Holy shit!
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