[Anhil8tor]

The next president will take the blame for the economy and Iraq?You really believe that?Who if Obama wins do you see winning the presidency from him in 4 years?Palin?Who on the GOP side is even close to being electable?Everything you've said is total bullshit.

I'm sure you knew Obama would be the pick 4 years ago right? There is always someone new around the corner. As for blaming bush for Iraq, keep in mind that the president can't send us to war without approval from the senate and the house. Its great to blame him but all in all the president still operates on checks and balances.

[BIRD33]

I'm sure you knew Obama would be the pick 4 years ago right? There is always someone new around the corner. As for blaming bush for Iraq, keep in mind that the president can't send us to war without approval from the senate and the house. Its great to blame him but all in all the president still operates on checks and balances.

Bush can't get approval without showing them evidence to convince them.You know where I'm going with this right?He only showed them evidence that helped make his case and ignored glaring signs that his position might be wrong.Do you agree that bush kept key intelligence from the people he needed to vote for his grand plan to invade iraq?Answer that honestly if you can.

You are right about 4 years from now but I knew who Obama at least was 4 years ago.There is zero people on the horizon for the GOP.

[BIRD33]

Classic


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Holy shit I didnt even try to embed that..Leeman there seems to be a problem,this place has gotten more user friendly.Please "update" the site soon so we can fix this problem.

[leeman]

Classic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLhVGDy-ZXc&eurl





Holy shit I didnt even try to embed that..Leeman there seems to be a problem,this place has gotten more user friendly.Please "update" the site soon so we can fix this problem.

You should read more since I stated in another thread that I had fixed that shit.

How's IE working??

[BIRD33]

You should read more since I stated in another thread that I had fixed that shit.

How's IE working??

The GM doesnt read about whats happening here he makes things happen here.

I havent updated it yet because I run a bunch of programs for work via it and don't want to upset anything.I now have one firefox window and 7 IE windows open.You must be proud of yourself.

[leeman]

The GM doesnt read about whats happening here he makes things happen here.

I havent updated it yet because I run a bunch of programs for work via it and don't want to upset anything.I now have one firefox window and 7 IE windows open.You must be proud of yourself.

Yepps.

IE Sukks!!

[BIRD33]

It does but I'd rather have Microsoft backing me up than the owners of firefox.

[leeman]

It does but I'd rather have Microsoft backing me up than the owners of firefox.

Firefox, just the opensource community.... couple of billions of coders....

[BIRD33]

Firefox, just the opensource community.... couple of billions of coders....

Right,nobody to sue.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Bush can't get approval without showing them evidence to convince them.You know where I'm going with this right?He only showed them evidence that helped make his case and ignored glaring signs that his position might be wrong.Do you agree that bush kept key intelligence from the people he needed to vote for his grand plan to invade iraq?Answer that honestly if you can.

You are right about 4 years from now but I knew who Obama at least was 4 years ago.There is zero people on the horizon for the GOP.

This is the one key issue that you and I will never agree on. I honestly (I'd capitalize that if it would make my point any better) believe that Bush didn't concoct any evidence or mislead anybody on the intellegence gathered that led him to believe that Saddam was stockpiling illegal weapons and trying to get his hands on nuclear weapons. Obviously he was breaking every UN resolution and treaties that he had signed. And obviously he was killing his own people in large numbers. And obviously he was a threat to the region after having attacked several neighboring countries over the years.

But as for the evidence, mostly the evidence that Colin Powell submitted to the UN? I honestly believe that Bush thought every bit of that evidence was legitimate and correct. I think Colin Powel thought it was.

I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories that Bush was out to avenge his father's assasination attempt. I think there were a bunch of pissed off military guys after the first Gulf war that wanted to go into Baghdad and take him out and they spent the next few years piling up evidence to take him out. Not at Bush's direction, but on their own.

I think that the real issue is whether you believe it is okay to take pre-emptive measures against a nation that is breaking UN resolutions and doing all of the things that Saddam was doing. That is the key issue. Not whether they found the chemical trucks or weapons stash that we thought he had. The key issue is do you think that it is okay to attack a nation and destroy its government when he violates all the international laws that Saddam did.

On that issue, Congress agreed with Bush that is what needed to be done.

[BIRD33]

This is the one key issue that you and I will never agree on. I honestly (I'd capitalize that if it would make my point any better) believe that Bush didn't concoct any evidence or mislead anybody on the intellegence gathered that led him to believe that Saddam was stockpiling illegal weapons and trying to get his hands on nuclear weapons. Obviously he was breaking every UN resolution and treaties that he had signed. And obviously he was killing his own people in large numbers. And obviously he was a threat to the region after having attacked several neighboring countries over the years.

But as for the evidence, mostly the evidence that Colin Powell submitted to the UN? I honestly believe that Bush thought every bit of that evidence was legitimate and correct. I think Colin Powel thought it was.

I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories that Bush was out to avenge his father's assasination attempt. I think there were a bunch of pissed off military guys after the first Gulf war that wanted to go into Baghdad and take him out and they spent the next few years piling up evidence to take him out. Not at Bush's direction, but on their own.

I think that the real issue is whether you believe it is okay to take pre-emptive measures against a nation that is breaking UN resolutions and doing all of the things that Saddam was doing. That is the key issue. Not whether they found the chemical trucks or weapons stash that we thought he had. The key issue is do you think that it is okay to attack a nation and destroy its government when he violates all the international laws that Saddam did.

On that issue, Congress agreed with Bush that is what needed to be done.

Its a fact he ignored evidence that made his argument weak and pushed evidence he knew was suspect.A fact.Read Woodwards books.

Read up on what Colin Powell thought then and why and what he thinks now.He feels he was used and not told the full truth.

I don't believe Bush was out solely to avenge his fathers failures but you have to be naive to think this all was just a coincidence.

Stop with how Saddam was breaking UN treaties.So was and is North Korea.We've never invaded anyone before by claiming to be protecting UN treaties without the UN voting for it.Do you see any irony here?

North Korea would be the perfect example of your policy of preemption if thats truly why we went to Iraq.The Bush administration was trying to remake the middle east and thought they could do it so easily they didnt have to tell its citizens the whole truth.

The fact you still believe any of this further validates the study that just came out about how conservatives even with the facts readily available showing their position is incorrect don't let that change their mind.Its beyond ignorant.

[quint]

both have serious issues.
i just want to see palin in a nip slip.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Read Woodwards books.

:lool: x 1,000,000. Should I watch any Michael Moore movies while I'm at it?

Read up on what Colin Powell thought then and why and what he thinks now.He feels he was used and not told the full truth.

Ya think? I'm sure there are a whole bunch of them that feel that way now.

Stop with how Saddam was breaking UN treaties.So was and is North Korea.We've never invaded anyone before by claiming to be protecting UN treaties without the UN voting for it.Do you see any irony here?

North Korea would be the perfect example of your policy of preemption if thats truly why we went to Iraq.The Bush administration was trying to remake the middle east and thought they could do it so easily they didnt have to tell its citizens the whole truth.

What is the last country that North Korea invaded or went to war with?

The fact you still believe any of this further validates the study that just came out about how conservatives even with the facts readily available showing their position is incorrect don't let that change their mind.Its beyond ignorant.

No, what that study proves is that when some people make decisions they live with the consequences and see them through to the end. In lieu of cutting and running when it gets a little too tough for some.

[BIRD33]

:lool: x 1,000,000. Should I watch any Michael Moore movies while I'm at it?

You clearly don't have any knowledge of Woodwards last few books.His one about right after 9\11 was criticized for being pro bush propaganda.Nobody has come out and challenged anything of real consequence in his books.I love how anyone not agreeing with your memory of events by posing hard facts is Michael Moore.You look so fucking stupid.


Ya think? I'm sure there are a whole bunch of them that feel that way now.

Do they all say they were not told the whole truth by the Bush administration?Powell seems like an honorable guy but I'm sure you know the real story.

What is the last country that North Korea invaded or went to war with?

What does that have to do with what we are discussing?Doesnt N korea being the only country in the "axis of evil" that actually has nukes kind of overshadow some minor regional wars between mideast countries which have been occuring for centuries and really arent our business?Yea Iraq was the real danger.


No, what that study proves is that when some people make decisions they live with the consequences and see them through to the end. In lieu of cutting and running when it gets a little too tough for some.

Listen to what your last paragraph just said.No matter how bad a decision is you stick with it otherwise you're weak?Do you not get how dangerous that is as a nations foreign policy?

Do you tell your kids to argue with their professors over a failing grade because they were pretty sure they answered the questions correctly?Its asinine to say the least and I'm still not sure you grasped what that study showed.Its almost like you wear your ignorant stubbornness as a badge of honor.You and Bush are two peas in a pod and he's going out with a 16% approval rate but I guess there are no republicans in that 84% that think he's a joke.

[BIRD33]

It's public knowledge she believes that the earth is only 6000 years old and dinosaurs where our pets.You are ok with that representing us on a world stage?Its a little different then differing on a tax increase or immigration laws don't you think?


wow the guy down big in the polls was gracious enough to include the probable future president in talks about the economy?Thats pretty generous since Mccain could have just written the law and passed it by himself since in 40 days his political career is riding off into the sunset.All Mccain did was try to look presidential but it backfired since we all want to hear their plan for fixing this straight from the horses mouth during the debates.He looked like a pussy.If something huge like this happens I want a strong president who understands the economy and doesnt rely on his advisors that are former bank lobbiest and the people who championed deregulation in the first place.I also want a guy who doesnt act to rattled when disaster strikes.The only credit I'll ever give GW is how he didnt stop his apperances at baseball games right after 9\11 to show you can't stop us.Mccain tucked and ran back to washington and that could not possibly help the market and theres no way you believe it did.

Whenever you're ready to answer, flump.

[BIRD33]

Obama won the debate.Is anyone shocked by this?

[cLaY]

Debate? Doesn't it take to people to have a debate? McCain didn't seem to realize Obama was even in the room. Kudos to Obama for actually trying to engage McCain...while the old man just talked to the moderator.

[BIRD33]

Nice vp pick.


McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless"
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people
are more than concerned about Palin.

The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

[snarg]

this was not a secret before she was chosen
it is sorta like bush going into iraq, even knowing all the negatives
i feel i was wrong to think mccain would at least demonstrate a bit of intelligence
this was a bush move

[who]

she has fucking down pat