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So I was watching the State of the Union last night....

http://gawker.com/5052329/scientists-exp...epublicans


Every election season, commentators trot out the old statistics about how more education makes people more likely to support Democrats, more studies are published on how liberal Daily Show viewers are so well-informed, and various smart people try to explain why anyone would ever vote for a Republican, against their "self-interest." This month has seen three alarming and remarkable scientific investigations into Americans' inexplicable habit of voting for George Bush and John McCain. Which means: trend! Hooray! Let's take a look at what America's top scienticians say about fucking idiot flyover losers and their stupid voting:

Conservatives Are Scared A Lot

Rice University Political Scientist John Alford published some research in the creatively named journal Science about a possible biological basis to liberalism and conservatism. Basically, "46 mostly white Midwesterners who self-identified as having strong political beliefs" were shown "threatening images" ("a large spider on someone's face, a bloodied person and maggot-filled wound"). The conservatives were more scared, of all of the images. Or, as Newsweek puts it, "illegal immigrants may = spiders = gay marriages = maggot-filled wounds = abortion rights = bloodied faces. " Liberals were not sensitive to the scary images. Which means they're biologically inferior, because they'd die if a gay spider tried to abort their faces to death. Notable problems with this study: small sample, also wtf this doesn't explain anything.

Conservatives Refuse to Believe "Facts"

The most upsetting and alarming research? Probably Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler's backfire effect study. In that, the political scientists took two groups of volunteers and gave them the Bush administration's prewar claims that Iraq was a threat and had weapons of mass destruction.


One group was given a refutation — the comprehensive 2004 Duelfer report that concluded that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction before the United States invaded in 2003. Thirty-four percent of conservatives told only about the Bush administration's claims thought Iraq had hidden or destroyed its weapons before the U.S. invasion, but 64 percent of conservatives who heard both claim and refutation thought that Iraq really did have the weapons. The refutation, in other words, made the misinformation worse.

This "backfire" effect only worked on conservatives. Even when they varied the source of the refutations, it made no difference—corrections from the New York Times and Fox News both caused conservatives to believe the lies even harder. In other words, objective truth is dead, observable reality is a fairy tale, etc.

Conservatives Have An Entirely Different Moral Code

This should bring you down, a little bit. Jonathan Haidt, a psychologist, wrote a lengthy anthropological investigation into why people vote for Republicans. It's not the Thomas Frank "they are distracted by bullshit" explanation, though it is related: they have different cultural standards of ethics and morality! Liberals and college students define morality as "how we treat each other," conservatives attach more significance to "supporting essential institutions, and living in a sanctified and noble way." Liberals recognize fairness and care as important moral virtues, conservatives add to that loyalty, respect for authority, and duty. The educated moral relativism worldview is fundamentally incompatible with the way like 50% of America thinks, and stereotypes about out-of-touch elitist coastal democrats are basically correct. Sigh.


So What Have We Learned?

Conservatives respond instinctually, not rationally, to scary images, "facts," and institutions. Whether this is innate and biological or cultural seems still up in the air. Democrats can't with with logical arguments or even appeals to the innate rightness of concepts like "diversity" and "tolerance," because those aren't considered essentially good and important by the voters they're trying to appeal to. This does suggest that an appeal to old New Deal institutional concepts like the Welfare State might actually be effective, if they're wrapped in the flag and a sense of duty. Also scientists still consider the majority of Americans to be like a fascinating exotic backwards tribe and the fucking country is doomed.

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dowd is the best:

McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one.

and really, flump, she is not hot
defending her shows what a compleat idiot you continue to be
get a grip

I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk.  A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind.  A need to return to genuine practice, right effort.  Need to push on the great doubt.  Need for the spirit.  Hang on to the clear light.
           
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snarg Wrote:dowd is the best:

McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one.

and really, flump, she is not hot
defending her shows what a compleat idiot you continue to be
get a grip

1. She is hot. Why else do you think she is getting so much attention?

2. Who got raped?

3. You are retarded.
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She's talking about how Palin would force women who are victims of rape or incest to have the baby.You'd make your daughter do the same, right?

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BIRD33 Wrote:She's talking about how Palin would force women who are victims of rape or incest to have the baby.You'd make your daughter do the same, right?

Wow, you are right. She believes that life begins at conception and even in the case of rape that a baby shouldn't be aborted.

Yeah, we shouldn't elect her VP, because I'm pretty sure that would be the first law they would pass.

You guys are crazy.
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Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Wow, you are right. She believes that life begins at conception and even in the case of rape that a baby shouldn't be aborted.

Yeah, we shouldn't elect her VP, because I'm pretty sure that would be the first law they would pass.

You guys are crazy.


Yea that wasnt my question.

You're right.Voting for people based on their positions on issues is stupid.

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Yes we are the crazy ones.

Palin's spiritual colleagues describe themselves as part of "the final generation," engaged in "spiritual warfare" to purge the earth of "demonic strongholds." Palin has spent her entire adult life immersed in this apocalyptic hysteria. Ask yourself: Is it a good idea to place the most powerful military on earth at her disposal? Do we actually want our leaders thinking about the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy when it comes time to say to the Iranians, or to the North Koreans, or to the Pakistanis, or to the Russians or to the Chinese: "All options remain on the table"?

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thanks, tweety
flump's position is so untenable it is silly to even argue with him

yea, flumpy, we're the morons

actually, at this point, i am beginning tom think he is serious
and i pity the fool
it is just sad, really

I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk.  A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind.  A need to return to genuine practice, right effort.  Need to push on the great doubt.  Need for the spirit.  Hang on to the clear light.
           
Thomas Merton


       
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If you guys are really worried about the economy you should vote Obama.This guy is as conservative as it gets but not in the shit kicking kill all the towel heads kind of way.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...02583.html




It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

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Rest easy BIRD33. Sarah Palin is getting her foreign policy experience and she is meeting with several heads of state at the UN. She's also meeting with the media. So you can put those two issues to bed. She now has foreign policy experience and interview time with the media.

She's going to make a great president if anything happens to McCain.
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Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Rest easy BIRD33. Sarah Palin is getting her foreign policy experience and she is meeting with several heads of state at the UN. She's also meeting with the media. So you can put those two issues to bed. She now has foreign policy experience and interview time with the media.

She's going to make a great president if anything happens to McCain.

Is foreign policy knowledge some kind of virus you can catch by shaking hands with world leaders?If thats the case I'd like to nominate the doorman at the UN building for secretary of state.She's only done two softball interviews and not one press conference and she's been a VP candidate for a month, she's a pussy compared to Biden in this respect.I know you are joking.It must feel helpless to see your favorite sports team make mistake after mistake.

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BIRD33 Wrote:Is foreign policy knowledge some kind of virus you can catch by shaking hands with world leaders?If thats the case I'd like to nominate the doorman at the UN building for secretary of state.She's only done two softball interviews and not one press conference and she's been a VP candidate for a month, she's a pussy compared to Biden in this respect.I know you are joking.It must feel helpless to see your favorite sports team make mistake after mistake.

What foreign policy experience does Obama have?
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Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:What foreign policy experience does Obama have?

Notice I said knowledge not experience.Of course he doesnt have 27 years in congress and the senate to gain the type of experience Mccain has but he was key in sponsoring bills to lock down nuclear weapons and material in Russia which is sort of like living close to Russia.He also has been engaged in international politics for the last 8 years and didnt just hear about the surge on the news like Palin and look no further into it.Fear not of Obama's lack of experience(even though he's more knowledgeable than the guy you handed two terms to and fucked it all up) because thats where Biden comes in.Also keep in mind Obama got the biggest issue regarding foreign policy of our lifetime (Iraq) right.

So to sum it up the Dems have Obama with a good knowledge of the economy and a active interest in foreign policy along with Bidens unquestionable foreign policy credentials vs. the GOP with Mccain(who is 72 and has a history of cancer) who has the same unquestionable FP credentials and zero knowledge of the economy along with Palin who never uttered a thought about FP until 30 days ago and only knows about economys that have huge oil profits to play with.

Its a tough choice.

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Flump serious question here...

Will you vote for someone who believes that man and dinosaurs roamed the earth at the same time?

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BIRD33 Wrote:Notice I said knowledge not experience.Of course he doesnt have 27 years in congress and the senate to gain the type of experience Mccain has but he was key in sponsoring bills to lock down nuclear weapons and material in Russia which is sort of like living close to Russia.He also has been engaged in international politics for the last 8 years and didnt just hear about the surge on the news like Palin and look no further into it.Fear not of Obama's lack of experience(even though he's more knowledgeable than the guy you handed two terms to and fucked it all up) because thats where Biden comes in.Also keep in mind Obama got the biggest issue regarding foreign policy of our lifetime (Iraq) right.

So to sum it up the Dems have Obama with a good knowledge of the economy and a active interest in foreign policy along with Bidens unquestionable foreign policy credentials vs. the GOP with Mccain(who is 72 and has a history of cancer) who has the same unquestionable FP credentials and zero knowledge of the economy along with Palin who never uttered a thought about FP until 30 days ago and only knows about economys that have huge oil profits to play with.

Its a tough choice.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure with Palin having a son enlisting in the army that she never thought twice about sending more troops into Iraq. She probably switched over to the food network or some soap opera.

My point is, beyond shaking hands and meeting foreign heads of state, how much friggin foreign policy experience can a person get that hasn't been in the white house. You know as well as I do, that when those senators and congressmen go overseas to visit places, its not exactly like they are sitting down and hammering out some kind of treaty. They are shaking hands and taking pictures.

And you also know as well as I do that Obama gambled on the Iraq position as his stepping stone into the white house. He knew that was a done deal and he knew (like everyone did) that it was going to take a long time to get in and get out. Do you know how many people he made his famous speech to about how it was a "dumb war" and we shouldn't go? I think it was less than 1,000 on a university campus that was put together by a bunch of hippies that have protested every war since Viet Nam. Most of the people in the crowd didn't even know what it was. They just stopped because Jesse Jackson was there.

And who got the real decision right on Iraq. To send in more troops at just the right time? Who was ready to throw up the surrender flag and let that country go to shit with us running away with our tail between our legs?

Who do you want, a quitter that talks shit to trick people into thinking he's the only one that got it right, or a man that has put his country before his own life? Its a tough choice.
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Any thoughts on the folks that have cast ballots in the early voting in some states?

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It's official. Joe Biden is too stupid to be anything.

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1. Roosevelt wasn't president during the stock market crash. Hoover was.

2. TV wasn't invented yet.
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