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Is Dan Quayle still relevant?

[BIRD33]

I'll answer your question if you will answer one for me.

As for your question. If the person that has to go face to face with Putin on Jan 1 has to be president of the United States, then right now I'd have to say Palin. I'll be better able to answer that question after tonight when I hear her speech and in a few weeks when I know more about her. Right now I am counting a hell of a lot on the research that the McCain people did when they picked her. Just like, in your words, Biden got it wrong on Iraq, I'm sure he could just as easily get it wrong on dealing with Putin. As for Palin, I'm not sure yet. But given the choice of her or Biden, I'd go with her until further notice.

Now for my question.

When it comes to flip flopping on an issue.....do you see any difference in a person that has an opinion and changes it before an event as opposed to someone that changes their opinion after an event? And by "event" I mean before the trigger is actually pulled, the troops are sent in, the money is mailed, the vote is cast.......you get the picture.

And I want to be clear about my defense of Palin. I admit that I don't know one hell of a lot about her right now. I trust that the background checks have been done and she has met the tests. I do not, however, think that the lame reasons I have heard so far are enough to discredit her. It seems suspicious to me right now that everyone that thinks that she is such a trainwreck of a pick are the Democrats though. And I think it is VERY suspicious that the democrats that have rejected Joe Biden as a viable candidate for President all of these years are suddenly embracing him as though they think he would make a great one now.

You know nothing about her and you are going with her over Biden based on what?Didnt you call Biden a solid pick for Obama in this very thread?If he was a solid pick and you know more about her daughters vagina than you know about her how can you lean towards Palin right now?Like tonight she's going to do so great that you will know just based on one speech and really no other info how competent she'll be on foreign policy issues?You seriously are going to base who you'd want to represent us in war time on one speech?You my friend are a scary, scary human being.

To answer you're question I do get the difference between flip flopping and making the right decision before hand.If you are trying to tie this to Biden and the Iraq war I get what you are saying but I feel comfortable with biden looking at his decison to vote for the war and now calling it a mistake.Flip flopping is changing your mind with the political wind to benefit just you.Biden has family in Iraq so don't try to accuse him of flip flopping for personal gain.He's seriously thought about this issue and is doing what he feels is best for our country. I'll take a guy who can admit a mistake when he's wrong, have we forgot about GW not being able to come up with one mistake he'd made even after Katrina?

You shot yourself in the foot defining flip flopping because it fits perfectly with what Palin did on the bridge to no where.The "event" as you describe it was throwing her support or disapproval for the bridge to no where.Thats the only action a governor can take, she doesnt vote on it or anything, its a yes or no type of situation for her.She pulled the trigger by supporting it.Then she flip flopped when republicans were taking heat nationally on pork barrel projects and pulled her support after she got elected.This was all about her getting the people of Alaska to vote in her favor based on her supporting this pork barrel project.Check out the facts.



http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_bridge_to_somewhere
The real politics of the Bridge to Nowhere....

With all the debate surrounding the Bridge to Nowhere earmark, I offer you a campaign photo from 2006 when the Bridge to Nowhere was considered the Bridge to Somewhere by one candidate seeking votes from the people of Ketchikan.






"Palin said Alaska’s congressional delegation worked hard to obtain funding for the bridge as part of a package deal and that she 'would not stand in the way of the progress toward that bridge."
[I]Ketchikan Daily News 9/2006[/I]
A year later she abruptly cancelled the funding.
“She didn't make the announcement here in Ketchikan. She didn't alert local mayors that she'd made the decision. She didn't notify Ketchikan's Representative or Senator, or even the Congressional delegation, apparently, that a decision was made and an announcement was on its way. No, the effective end of three decades of effort towards a bridge was announced in a press release launched – perhaps coincidentally – early in the day to meet the East Coast media deadlines.”
[I]Ketchikan Daily News Editorial, 10/11/07 - on Palin's abrupt decisions to cancel the bridge funding by sending out a 5am press release to hit East Coast news cycles[/I]

[I]The politics behind the flip flop...

Governor Sarah Palin's interview with Charlie Rose 10/12/07[/I]
CR: What was that highway Senator Stevens wanted to build?
SP: He wanted to build a bridge.
CR: You stopped that didn't you?
SP: Stopped that because we'll make sensible decisions using other peoples money, federal money, and we'll make some wise decisions on how to build up our infrastructure.
CR: Did you get any feedback on your decision?
SP: From those in Congress?
CR: Yes
SP: Yes I did, but Alaskans are supportive, again just to make some wise decisions with other peoples money.

The governor's decision was made just 6 weeks after U.S. Senator Ted Stevens Girdwood home was raided by the FBI and rumors were at a fever pitch that an indictment was soon to follow.


The reason for sending out the 5am press release was to hit east coast newscycles to gain maximum national attention for the move. The move garnered big news coverage nationwide.

According to the Associated Press, when she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she was insulted by the term "bridge to nowhere," according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin's campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city.

"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting," Weinstein said.

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rudi was on last night.
palin was on point.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

rudi was on last night.
palin was on point.

Agreed. Rudy Gulliani was on friggin fire last night. That was probably the best speech I've heard come out of either convention.

I thought Palin's speech was fantastic. She hit every point we were waiting to hear. And so many good lines came out of it. Favorite was "You know the difference between hockey mom's and pit bulls? Lipstick"

I thought she sounded down to earth, matter of fact, and a complete breath of fresh air compared to the old washington insider crowd. I can't wait to see her in a debate with Biden. I think he will look like a dumb fuck if he starts in on his attack style that he likes to use in those Senate hearings.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I thought the lady governor from Hawaii gave a great speech, too. Her best line was when she was talking about President Johnson. She said that he was once quoted as saying, "When the burdens of the presidency seem unusually heavy, I always remind myself it could be worse. I could be a mayor."

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[BIRD33]

Palins speech was just red meat for the base.Mccains not going after independents anymore.He can't win without independents so I think while everyone is cheering her you should really be mourning the passing of Mccains presidential chances.


Romney, the riches guy by far to run for president this year called democrats elitist.Are you guys really that dumb?

Rudy spent 60 million for 1 delegate and his own kids wouldnt even vote for him.Yea he's a winner.

[BIRD33]

So she did flip flop on the bridge to nowhere or not flump?I'm sure you missed my post.

[BIRD33]

One other thing I noticed from last night.Anybody else worried that with all the problems this country has the main focus was on this chicks daughter and the redneck who knocked her up?I mean flying him up there for the speech was a joke.They are 17 year old kids not pawns in a political campaign.I feel bad for the kid.One minute your minding your own busniness fucking your 17 year old girlfriend after hockey practice and the next your the focal point in a historic presidential election.What a head trip thats got to be.

This is truly the age of reality tv when its infecting our politics.I'm proud the democrasts havent demeaned themselves like that.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Palins speech was just red meat for the base.Mccains not going after independents anymore.He can't win without independents so I think while everyone is cheering her you should really be mourning the passing of Mccains presidential chances.


Romney, the riches guy by far to run for president this year called democrats elitist.Are you guys really that dumb?

Rudy spent 60 million for 1 delegate and his own kids wouldnt even vote for him.Yea he's a winner.

Yeah, she flip flopped. I'm just glad she did it before they actually earmarked that money to build the bridge. I will bet she took some major shit from all of those people that had worked so long and so hard to get that money set aside for that project.

[Jimmy]

Does this mean increased ratings for the NHL?

That will be starting soon.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

One other thing I noticed from last night.Anybody else worried that with all the problems this country has the main focus was on this chicks daughter and the redneck who knocked her up?I mean flying him up there for the speech was a joke.They are 17 year old kids not pawns in a political campaign.I feel bad for the kid.One minute your minding your own busniness fucking your 17 year old girlfriend after hockey practice and the next your the focal point in a historic presidential election.What a head trip thats got to be.

This is truly the age of reality tv when its infecting our politics.I'm proud the democrasts havent demeaned themselves like that.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this didn't cross the mind of very many people last night.

You can always tell when the direction of a fight is going good. The other side starts nit picking at the dumbest shit.

[BIRD33]

Yeah, she flip flopped. I'm just glad she did it before they actually earmarked that money to build the bridge. I will bet she took some major shit from all of those people that had worked so long and so hard to get that money set aside for that project.

I don't even think its really that big of a deal.Things change because of outside factors and sometimes its best to change your mind, thats life and politics.I just don't agree with how the GOP has ridiculed democrats for doing the same thing.It's very two faced and narrow minded.

[BIRD33]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that this didn't cross the mind of very many people last night.

You can always tell when the direction of a fight is going good. The other side starts nit picking at the dumbest shit.

I bet it did more than you think.This isnt nit picking.its generally scary stuff that this is getting a lot of attention.I don't expect anyone who watches Big Brother to understand.

[BIRD33]

Does this mean increased ratings for the NHL?

That will be starting soon.

Gary Betman for VP!

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience (being mayor), let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities.

:lool:

[BIRD33]

I'm not sure how you can joke a guy who turns down high paying wall street jobs to make nothing working with drug addicts and unemployed people.Its classless.

[BIRD33]

I read that in her mayoral election only a 1000 people voted out of 7000.Its like being head of your home owners association.

[Anhil8tor]

I read that in her mayoral election only a 1000 people voted out of 7000.Its like being head of your home owners association.

how many votes did obama get in his senate run again?