[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

tag team by dagger and Flump, two intellectual heavyweights.Flump remember when you used to defend republicans?Those were the days.

Well, I don't read as much as you guys do. At least I don't read all of the Obamaismygaylover.com sites and things that you clip all of your youtube stuff from. I just watch the mainstream news and read the newspapers mostly. I try and avoid all of the kool-aid stands.

Here's what I find sort of interesting at this point of the election:

The Democrats should be winning this thing in a landslide and yet they are not.

The Democrats that have turned this election into a rally of change and "out with old washington" are the same ones rallying behind the Joe Biden pick and slamming the Sarah Palin pick. That sounds suspicious to me. Like this election might be more about getting elected than doing any kind of change.

Obama's VP pick went 180 degrees against what he has outlined in his campaign. McCain's pick was right in line with what he said, and everyone else said he should do.

[Dagger]

Arent you the guy who follows paddy around?When are you going to say something interesting on your own?I'm pretty sure you know you couldnt fuck with me in any debate.

You seem to be the one obsessed with Paddy. I've never even interacted with him and couldn't care less about him. I doubt you would bother me in any debate. I suspect without the aid of Google you would crack quickly.
I do find it entertaining that you don't address the point that Lolly made in regards to how popular this site used to be prior to you becoming the "GM".
Congrats on your outstanding membership retention skills.

[littlelolly]

I'm going to quit because I got made to look foolish!See ya honey.

Precious.

I knew you were going to ask me for Feminist for Life numbers, because it's the only life preserver with which you can grasp while you're drowning in this debate, and that's okay. Their website says nothing unless you join the membership, and I pulled that Big 10 statement out of a (terribly boring) 30 some-odd page website document on the Feminist for Life organization's newspage. That's why I didn't give you a real number--I didn't have one. I only cite fact from credible sources that I can back up. Let me repeat myself--I cite fact. From credible sources. That I can back up.

You asked who was complaining about money. Again, no one is complaining about money. Well okay I take that back. There's an article from the Wall Street Journal about the DNC's infighting and how it might have contributed to smaller numbers than originally anticipated, but that's from May of this year. So that's old. I mean it's real and it exists (http://www.wsj.com) but it's not a good reference because it's from four months ago. Your fave Huffington Post has an article from earlier this year (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/19...87311.html) about how the DNC went (pretty much) broke in 2007, when the RNC raised $85.7 million in 2007 to the Democrats with $54.8 million. The article also outlines that the RNC had a net cash balance at the start of 2008 of $17.3 million compared to the Dems with $730,000. Again, that's not last week's news, so I'm not sure if it's worth quoting. Either way, the DNC should be fundraising its ass off, now that the convention is over and the candidate has been nominated. Money has never been a problem for the Dems, and it won't be a problem now. But they shouldn't have to work so hard for it. And they are. They should have buckets of money and like Flump nailed it with his last post, this election should be landslide-ish. It's not.

You did flex some pretty solid ignorance about how blacks and latinos vote. I never said that they'd vote for McCain. Disgruntled entities stay home on election day. They just don't vote. Those coal miners in PA won't vote either, if McCain can't get his clean coal story straight. Let me repeat myself, because you seem to need me to do so. Disgruntled entities: Hillary Democrats, Republican soccer moms, NASCAR whitey rednecks, undereducated blacks and latinos who have been slighted by the system--they don't vote when they've been disenfranchised. For anyone. Neither side can afford people not voting. This race is far too close. Precisely why it's not the 'non-issue' that you've incorrectly deemed it.

You asked me if I thought Palin was more qualified than Biden. I answered. You asked me if I thought she was ready to be the leader of the free world. I answered. Comparing Palin to Biden isn't a joke. You did it yourself, and then said it was a joke when I did it. That makes no sense. If you are confused about my answers, I'd suggest you stop typing and start reading more. And maybe not cuss so much. It makes you look far less intelligent. Kudos to Flump again for succinctly explaining why the Biden pick is so hypocritical to the essence of Obama's campaign.

The pinnacle of your wrongness came at the end of your last (I hesitate to call it a) rebuttal, on two fronts. One, this is absolutely about making America better and nothing else. People have different ideas about what will make this country better, and what's so great about America is that everyone gets to voice those opinions--ideally, without persecution or name calling. You and I have different ideas about what would make America better. The DNC and the RNC have different ideas, Obama and McCain have different ideas. Sometimes the Dems are right, sometimes the GOP is. I have always maintained that I will vote for who I think is the right candidate to lead the country, not on a party line. This time around, I'm not particularly thrilled with either party, but since we are at the core a two-party system, I'll vote for McCain because I think that he's the better candidate. You don't have to like my opinion. You don't even have to respect it, even though you should. God knows I'm going my best to respect yours, even though you truly haven't earned my time and my brain cells, let alone much else.

Second front is your idea that you could rid yourself of me so quickly. Nice try, sweet spirit. I only said that I didn't want to waste my time--but it would appear that you seem to be the time waster, with your hurtling insults at the only three people around here today actually reading your drivel. Stick to the facts and keep this a fair fight. If that's humanly possible for you.

And for teh Flump--because Governor Palin strikes me as the naughty librarian type with the hair up and the glasses but the killer bod, like something out of an early 80's music video (J. Geils Band, anyone? Van Halen 1984 better?) I would suggest that her favorite position would be bent over the reference desk or the book return. Defnitely doggie style, though. And hard.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

And for teh Flump--because Governor Palin strikes me as the naughty librarian type with the hair up and the glasses but the killer bod, like something out of an early 80's music video (J. Geils Band, anyone? Van Halen 1984 better?) I would suggest that her favorite position would be bent over the reference desk or the book return. Defnitely doggie style, though. And hard.

Exactly. I can see her walking into the room with her suit coat and skirt, tossing her hair down, ripping off her glasses, walking toward my desk......

fuck i hope she is president one day.

[snarg]

lolly and flump deserve each other
two fucking idiots
mccain lost all credibility with with this choice of veeps
shame on you, lolly
trot out all the "facts" you want, yer still a tool
as much as i hate to be aligned with tweety and clay, at least they have the right guy
it will be a dark day in america if the gop pulls this off
americans being as foolish as they are, this is still a possibility
if they do, it only proves what a racist cesspool the US remains
i hope it isn't so

nice research, lolly
too bad the "little" refers to your understanding
i hope the racists and bigots fail

[BIRD33]

Well, I don't read as much as you guys do. At least I don't read all of the Obamaismygaylover.com sites and things that you clip all of your youtube stuff from. I just watch the mainstream news and read the newspapers mostly. I try and avoid all of the kool-aid stands.

Here's what I find sort of interesting at this point of the election:

The Democrats should be winning this thing in a landslide and yet they are not.

The Democrats that have turned this election into a rally of change and "out with old washington" are the same ones rallying behind the Joe Biden pick and slamming the Sarah Palin pick. That sounds suspicious to me. Like this election might be more about getting elected than doing any kind of change.

Obama's VP pick went 180 degrees against what he has outlined in his campaign. McCain's pick was right in line with what he said, and everyone else said he should do.

So when you defended the Bush policies here for years and advocating taking it to the towel heads you were reading a lot?I'm pretty sure you werent then just like now but the difference is you are embarassed by your support of failed policies like Iraq so you just shut the fuck up about it now.Its nice to see you humbled.


Do you find it interesting as well that the democrats have the first black nominee for president and he's been up almost 10 points for a while now?Are you really suprised that he's not blowing Mccain out considering the uneasyness by a lot of whites about having a black president?Are you really trying to compare this to two normal candidates running against each other?

I understand your VP point and agree to a small degree but at the end of the day who do you feel safer with as VP, Palin or Biden, considering they could be president on day one god forbid?Answer that honestly and tell me which candidate took his selection more seriously and didnt pick their vp just to garner some more votes.

[BIRD33]

You seem to be the one obsessed with Paddy. I've never even interacted with him and couldn't care less about him. I doubt you would bother me in any debate. I suspect without the aid of Google you would crack quickly.
I do find it entertaining that you don't address the point that Lolly made in regards to how popular this site used to be prior to you becoming the "GM".
Congrats on your outstanding membership retention skills.

You just showed up here and posted exclusivly when the paddy debacle was going on but arent following him, got it.

Oh no two people who just started posting here and have no frame of reference think I killed this site!The fact that you think me being GM here is factual shows how gullible you are.

Also if you think I care about membership here you are a fucking loser.This is a web forum, jackass.

[BIRD33]

Precious.

I knew you were going to ask me for Feminist for Life numbers, because it's the only life preserver with which you can grasp while you're drowning in this debate, and that's okay. Their website says nothing unless you join the membership, and I pulled that Big 10 statement out of a (terribly boring) 30 some-odd page website document on the Feminist for Life organization's newspage. That's why I didn't give you a real number--I didn't have one. I only cite fact from credible sources that I can back up. Let me repeat myself--I cite fact. From credible sources. That I can back up. That was a nice paragraph but you still havent backed up your point on why Obama should worry about pro-life femnazi's.Try to know the facts before you throw things out there.

You asked who was complaining about money. Again, no one is complaining about money. Well okay I take that back. There's an article from the Wall Street Journal about the DNC's infighting and how it might have contributed to smaller numbers than originally anticipated, but that's from May of this year. So that's old. I mean it's real and it exists (www.wsj.com) but it's not a good reference because it's from four months ago. Your fave Huffington Post has an article from earlier this year (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/19...87311.html) about how the DNC went (pretty much) broke in 2007, when the RNC raised $85.7 million in 2007 to the Democrats with $54.8 million. The article also outlines that the RNC had a net cash balance at the start of 2008 of $17.3 million compared to the Dems with $730,000. Again, that's not last week's news, so I'm not sure if it's worth quoting. Either way, the DNC should be fundraising its ass off, now that the convention is over and the candidate has been nominated. Money has never been a problem for the Dems, and it won't be a problem now. But they shouldn't have to work so hard for it. And they are. They should have buckets of money and like Flump nailed it with his last post, this election should be landslide-ish. It's not. I'd maintain that having double the amount of your opponent and the most money in election history is the same thing as buckets of money.Nice long paragraph again,almost had a point, so close.

You did flex some pretty solid ignorance about how blacks and latinos vote. I never said that they'd vote for McCain. Disgruntled entities stay home on election day. They just don't vote. Those coal miners in PA won't vote either, if McCain can't get his clean coal story straight. Let me repeat myself, because you seem to need me to do so. Disgruntled entities: Hillary Democrats, Republican soccer moms, NASCAR whitey rednecks, undereducated blacks and latinos who have been slighted by the system--they don't vote when they've been disenfranchised. For anyone. Neither side can afford people not voting. This race is far too close. Precisely why it's not the 'non-issue' that you've incorrectly deemed it.

You asked me if I thought Palin was more qualified than Biden. I answered. You asked me if I thought she was ready to be the leader of the free world. I answered. Comparing Palin to Biden isn't a joke. You did it yourself, and then said it was a joke when I did it. That makes no sense. If you are confused about my answers, I'd suggest you stop typing and start reading more. And maybe not cuss so much. It makes you look far less intelligent. Kudos to Flump again for succinctly explaining why the Biden pick is so hypocritical to the essence of Obama's campaign.I'm pretty sure neither of you would pick Palin to be president in war time over Biden.To say you would displays poor judgment and is probably petty partisan crap which you of course would never admit to.She's not qualified.

The pinnacle of your wrongness came at the end of your last (I hesitate to call it a) rebuttal, on two fronts. One, this is absolutely about making America better and nothing else. People have different ideas about what will make this country better, and what's so great about America is that everyone gets to voice those opinions--ideally, without persecution or name calling. You and I have different ideas about what would make America better. The DNC and the RNC have different ideas, Obama and McCain have different ideas. Sometimes the Dems are right, sometimes the GOP is. I have always maintained that I will vote for who I think is the right candidate to lead the country, not on a party line. This time around, I'm not particularly thrilled with either party, but since we are at the core a two-party system, I'll vote for McCain because I think that he's the better candidate. You don't have to like my opinion. You don't even have to respect it, even though you should. God knows I'm going my best to respect yours, even though you truly haven't earned my time and my brain cells, let alone much else. If you think Bush did a good job then vote for Mccain.We both know it will be more of the same since he's backed GWB fully.

Second front is your idea that you could rid yourself of me so quickly. Nice try, sweet spirit. I only said that I didn't want to waste my time--but it would appear that you seem to be the time waster, with your hurtling insults at the only three people around here today actually reading your drivel. Stick to the facts and keep this a fair fight. If that's humanly possible for you.

And for teh Flump--because Governor Palin strikes me as the naughty librarian type with the hair up and the glasses but the killer bod, like something out of an early 80's music video (J. Geils Band, anyone? Van Halen 1984 better?) I would suggest that her favorite position would be bent over the reference desk or the book return. Defnitely doggie style, though. And hard.

I know your type.Print as much garbage as possible to try to look like you've got a clue but small sentences in your long diatribe leak out your outright ignorance.

So is the huffington post liberal crap or what?It seems you've contradicted yourself by posting somehting from there that isnt favorable to the dems and seems factual.Is it credible or what?You've got me confused.

So Obama has to worry about latino's and blacks staying home this year?For the first minority presidential candidate ever?Ok.Here's where you say you never said that or I misunderstood.You simply don't want to admit or don't understand how race is effecting this election.If obama was white he'd be up 30.

Please keep whining about how I'm bringing down the site you've been posting at for all of 2 months.It really gets to me.

[BIRD33]

lolly and flump deserve each other
two fucking idiots
mccain lost all credibility with with this choice of veeps
shame on you, lolly
trot out all the "facts" you want, yer still a tool
as much as i hate to be aligned with tweety and clay, at least they have the right guy
it will be a dark day in america if the gop pulls this off
americans being as foolish as they are, this is still a possibility
if they do, it only proves what a racist cesspool the US remains
i hope it isn't so

nice research, lolly
too bad the "little" refers to your understanding
i hope the racists and bigots fail

Huh?I'm pretty much your favorite internet poster ever.We all know this.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

So when you defended the Bush policies here for years and advocating taking it to the towel heads you were reading a lot?I'm pretty sure you werent then just like now but the difference is you are embarassed by your support of failed policies like Iraq so you just shut the fuck up about it now.Its nice to see you humbled.


Do you find it interesting as well that the democrats have the first black nominee for president and he's been up almost 10 points for a while now?Are you really suprised that he's not blowing Mccain out considering the uneasyness by a lot of whites about having a black president?Are you really trying to compare this to two normal candidates running against each other?

I understand your VP point and agree to a small degree but at the end of the day who do you feel safer with as VP, Palin or Biden, considering they could be president on day one god forbid?Answer that honestly and tell me which candidate took his selection more seriously and didnt pick their vp just to garner some more votes.

Ok. I'm going to give you honest answers.

1. I still think the decision to go to war at the time with Iraq was a good choice. Hindsight is not something that you have the luxury of at the time a decision has to be made. I do not think that all of the evidence they had to go to war was manuafactured or that there is any conspiracy involved. I don't think Powell was lying or falsifying anything during his testimony to the UN. I think that we did what most everyone felt at the time was the right thing to do.

2. Having said that, since we made the decision, although it turned out that much of it was based on inaccurate data, I still stand by the decision. I still think that history will prove this to be a turning point in the middle east. Maybe I have hope that will happen. Just like you hope Obama can do all the bullshit he says he can do.

3. I don't hide from the Iraq thing, but I know that debating it is pointless. Time is going to be the judge and jury on that one. However it turns out, I have confidence it will be better than it was. Was it worth the cost? Again time will tell.

4. I don't find it at all interesting that Obama is up 10 points or up any points. We all knew the Democratic campaign was going to be a bloodbath and in the news up until the convention. First black guy or not, all of the attention has been on the Democrats since January. The reason that McCain hasn't raised much money is because he pretty much ran unopposed and hasn't needed to raise any. His campaign is just starting. The fact that the Republicans have basically done nothing until now to get their message out, the fact that Bush's approval ratings are so low, the fact that the economy is going south, the fact that fuel prices are so high, and the fact that Obama and Hillary have spent so much money and gotten so much press, make me wonder why the inexperienced black senator and one of the oldest, dumbest, and most sold out senator don't have a whole lot more than a 10 point lead. And keep in mind a 10 point lead only takes 5 points to make up.

5. McCain clearly took his selection more seriously. McCain is known as a maverick. Someone that will not follow party lines just because that's what his party wants. He has made his entire political career based on fighting the bullshit that goes on in Washington. Palin, although not nearly in public life as long, has done the same thing. She has taken on the government, the special interests, the lobbyists and the corruption in the largest state in the Union. And she has won. And she has an 80% approval rating with only 2 years experience. Biden is one of the crusty old son of a bitches in Washington that gridlocks everything and has made a career out of it. What is the approval rating of congress right now? 9%? Biden exposed Obama for what he is. He will say or do anything to win and everyone is seeing through that now.

6. McCain took his selection more seriously.

7. Now let me ask you something. Do you want a President that has no executive decision making experience? One that's only claim to fame is that he voted against the war in Iraq when he knew that vote meant nothing because it was going to pass anyway. Where was his gamble in that? He is basing his whole candidacy on that one thing. The biggest decision that he has made that actually mattered is what kind of soup to serve the homeless in some church in Chicago. Or do you want a president that after being taken prisoner in Vietnam was given a chance to go free and refused because the men that served under him were still held hostage. Knowing that decision was going to mean more torture. He spent 5 more years in that prison camp with multiple opportunities to leave, but refused until all of his men were released. He went through tortures that are unimaginable. Broken arms, starvation, isolation, you name it.

[BIRD33]

Intellectually dishonest is the nicest way to describe you.

If you want to argue Palin has more experience than Biden than I really don't know what to say to you.It's a mixture of feeling sorry for you while knowing you don't even believe what you're writing but are to proud to be honest.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Intellectually dishonest is the nicest way to describe you.

If you want to argue Palin has more experience than Biden than I really don't know what to say to you.It's a mixture of feeling sorry for you while knowing you don't even believe what you're writing but are to proud to be honest.

I said Palin had more experience than Biden? There really are no comparisons to Biden and Palin. Joe Biden is a long time Washington insider that has made a career out of trading votes, playing pork barrel politics, and dragging down legislation for the sake of the party. He is exactly the kind of person that Obama has run his campaign to get rid of. Palin is young and has worked her way up the political ladder from the ground up. With real political jobs where she is in charge of things and making decisions. She bucked the system and won. She continues to buck the system and has developed a ton of notoriety amongst the political followers. Actually, Palin is exactly the type of candidate that Obama should have picked for his ticket.

[BIRD33]

I said Palin had more experience than Biden? There really are no comparisons to Biden and Palin. Joe Biden is a long time Washington insider that has made a career out of trading votes, playing pork barrel politics, and dragging down legislation for the sake of the party. He is exactly the kind of person that Obama has run his campaign to get rid of. Palin is young and has worked her way up the political ladder from the ground up. With real political jobs where she is in charge of things and making decisions. She bucked the system and won. She continues to buck the system and has developed a ton of notoriety amongst the political followers. Actually, Palin is exactly the type of candidate that Obama should have picked for his ticket.

She was a major supporter of the bridge to nowhere until the shit hit the fan and was forced to abandon that position.How is that bucking the system?I suspect you havent read much about her and her decisions.I'm sure when some embarassing stuff about her comes out you'll fall back on that excuse.Until then defend her full bore!

Yes or no answer for this one.Do you feel like she has more experience making major decisions in the years she was the mayor of a city of 7,000 and 18 months as governor than a senator who over the last 20 years was chairman of the armed service commitee and the judicial commitee?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

She was a major supporter of the bridge to nowhere until the shit hit the fan and was forced to abandon that position.How is that bucking the system?I suspect you havent read much about her and her decisions.I'm sure when some embarassing stuff about her comes out you'll fall back on that excuse.Until then defend her full bore!

Yes or no answer for this one.Do you feel like she has more experience making major decisions in the years she was the mayor of a city of 7,000 and 18 months as governor than a senator who over the last 20 years was chairman of the armed service commitee and the judicial commitee?

Well, I figured you'd bring out the "bridge to no where". That seems to be the one talking point that all of the mudslingers start with. My understanding was that she was for it in the beginning because of the money and jobs that it would bring with it to her state. But she finally killed it. And killing it, as I understand was her doing.

As for your yes or no question, I would say "no" that she doesn't have as much experience. Biden has been a senator for 36 years, not 20. McCain has been a Senator for 20 years. After all, she's only 44 years old. She was 7 when Biden first joined the Senate. She wasn't even born when he was plagarizing a law review during his first year of law school.

But I think that the American people have spoken out pretty much what they think about Joe Biden's ability to be President. He failed miserably in his two attempts and abandoned a third because he couldn't get any fund raising going. And that was your own party that decided he would not make a good President. It never even got to the point where the Republicans could chime in on what they thought.

Do you know why Joe Biden led the opposition to Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court? My guess was because he was nominated by a Republican President. Which is exactly the kind of Senator and resume that he has put together.

[BIRD33]

Well, I figured you'd bring out the "bridge to no where". That seems to be the one talking point that all of the mudslingers start with. My understanding was that she was for it in the beginning because of the money and jobs that it would bring with it to her state. But she finally killed it. And killing it, as I understand was her doing.

As for your yes or no question, I would say "no" that she doesn't have as much experience. Biden has been a senator for 36 years, not 20. McCain has been a Senator for 20 years. After all, she's only 44 years old. She was 7 when Biden first joined the Senate. She wasn't even born when he was plagarizing a law review during his first year of law school.

But I think that the American people have spoken out pretty much what they think about Joe Biden's ability to be President. He failed miserably in his two attempts and abandoned a third because he couldn't get any fund raising going. And that was your own party that decided he would not make a good President. It never even got to the point where the Republicans could chime in on what they thought.

Do you know why Joe Biden led the opposition to Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court? My guess was because he was nominated by a Republican President. Which is exactly the kind of Senator and resume that he has put together.

Flump the definition of Pork is bringing money and jobs to your state.I thought she was the champion of fighting washington corruption like pork barrel projects?By the way killing it wasnt her doing, it was a national issue focused on pork barrel politics that forced her to kill it.She's no corruption fighter.

Do you know why Biden didnt vote for Thomas?I'm not sure where you are going with this.Thomas is known on both sides of the aisle for being the least qualified supreme court justice ever.Look it up.Remember the name Anita Hill?Thomas leaving a pube on a coke can is probably why he voted against him.

You act like Biden never winning the nomination is a reason she's more qualified to be VP.Could she have even gotten on the ballot to run for president before 10 days ago when you had no clue who she even was?VP is all about leaving the country in the best hands if a disaster happens.You can't honestly tell me you'd prefer Palin to face off with Putin over Biden.I don't think you'd let her run your business for a week.I respect the loyalty you're showing to this woman you know nothing about.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Flump the definition of Pork is bringing money and jobs to your state.I thought she was the champion of fighting washington corruption like pork barrel projects?By the way killing it wasnt her doing, it was a national issue focused on pork barrel politics that forced her to kill it.She's no corruption fighter.

Do you know why Biden didnt vote for Thomas?I'm not sure where you are going with this.Thomas is known on both sides of the aisle for being the least qualified supreme court justice ever.Look it up.Remember the name Anita Hill?Thomas leaving a pube on a coke can is probably why he voted against him.

You act like Biden never winning the nomination is a reason she's more qualified to be VP.Could she have even gotten on the ballot to run for president before 10 days ago when you had no clue who she even was?VP is all about leaving the country in the best hands if a disaster happens.You can't honestly tell me you'd prefer Palin to face off with Putin over Biden.I don't think you'd let her run your business for a week.I respect the loyalty you're showing to this woman you know nothing about.

Dude, the Alaskan people pushing for funding for that bridge started OVER 30 years ago to get the money. That bridge was being touted when she was still in grade school. She killed it over a year ago. The reason there was a bunch of bad press in Alaska surrounding her killing that project was because they were pissed off at her about it. Her killing that project was where she started getting the "maverick" title that she has now.

Joe Biden voted for a war that he is now against. That's a little different kind of flip flop to me. I mean if you are going to bet on the Saints and before game time decide to bet on the Cowboys that isn't exactly flip flopping. That's changing your mind before game time. Trying to call your bet in after the game starts is more what Biden did.

I don't know why Biden was against Clarence Thomas other than his "rusty old school washington bullshit responses". My guess is its because he's a democrat at the top of a big committee that can give a Republican President a little pay back for winning an election. That's part of "what is wrong with Washington" as Barak likes to say.

Now let's talk a little fucking more about why Joe Biden is not fit to be a president. Why did your own party toss him off like a bad penny every time he tried to run? That wasn't me saying he was too stupid or unqualified to be President. That was your own party. They decided that Michael Dukakis would do a better job. Wait? Michael Dukakis? Wasn't he a governor? What the fuck were you guys thinking. No governor would have enough experience to be better than Joe Biden. That's just silly.

Joe Biden is a fucking joke and your own party decided that twice and would have a third time if he could have raised enough money to run.

[Dagger]

You just showed up here and posted exclusivly when the paddy debacle was going on but arent following him, got it.

Oh no two people who just started posting here and have no frame of reference think I killed this site!The fact that you think me being GM here is factual shows how gullible you are.

Also if you think I care about membership here you are a fucking loser.This is a web forum, jackass.

By your great logic, if I showed up when you first started having your ED problems I would have been a Cialis salesman I guess. Great logic, got it.
Fucking brilliant.

[BIRD33]

Dude, the Alaskan people pushing for funding for that bridge started OVER 30 years ago to get the money. That bridge was being touted when she was still in grade school. She killed it over a year ago. The reason there was a bunch of bad press in Alaska surrounding her killing that project was because they were pissed off at her about it. Her killing that project was where she started getting the "maverick" title that she has now.She had no choice but to kill it.It was a national joke and Mccain was more responsible for killing it than anyone so get your facts straight.She was for it before she was against it.Ok for the GOP but not for Dems apparently.

Joe Biden voted for a war that he is now against. That's a little different kind of flip flop to me. I mean if you are going to bet on the Saints and before game time decide to bet on the Cowboys that isn't exactly flip flopping. That's changing your mind before game time. Trying to call your bet in after the game starts is more what Biden did.See last sentence of my last rebuttal.

I don't know why Biden was against Clarence Thomas other than his "rusty old school washington bullshit responses". My guess is its because he's a democrat at the top of a big committee that can give a Republican President a little pay back for winning an election. That's part of "what is wrong with Washington" as Barak likes to say.He was a poor legal thinker.Thats the truth.You know nothing about this topic.Stop.

Now let's talk a little fucking more about why Joe Biden is not fit to be a president. Why did your own party toss him off like a bad penny every time he tried to run? That wasn't me saying he was too stupid or unqualified to be President. That was your own party. They decided that Michael Dukakis would do a better job. Wait? Michael Dukakis? Wasn't he a governor? What the fuck were you guys thinking. No governor would have enough experience to be better than Joe Biden. That's just silly.Dukakis ran 20 years ago.Your point makes no sense but I think you know that.

Joe Biden is a fucking joke and your own party decided that twice and would have a third time if he could have raised enough money to run.

Can you answer the question as to who you'd like to go face to face with Putin on Jan 1 2009?Palin or Biden.I'll know how much pride you take in being honest based on your answer.

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By your great logic, if I showed up when you first started having your ED problems I would have been a Cialis salesman I guess. Great logic, got it.
Fucking brilliant.

Leave Who's weak lines for him, he's got nothing else.

By the way it was terrible.

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Can you answer the question as to who you'd like to go face to face with Putin on Jan 1 2009?Palin or Biden.I'll know how much pride you take in being honest based on your answer.

I'll answer your question if you will answer one for me.

As for your question. If the person that has to go face to face with Putin on Jan 1 has to be president of the United States, then right now I'd have to say Palin. I'll be better able to answer that question after tonight when I hear her speech and in a few weeks when I know more about her. Right now I am counting a hell of a lot on the research that the McCain people did when they picked her. Just like, in your words, Biden got it wrong on Iraq, I'm sure he could just as easily get it wrong on dealing with Putin. As for Palin, I'm not sure yet. But given the choice of her or Biden, I'd go with her until further notice.

Now for my question.

When it comes to flip flopping on an issue.....do you see any difference in a person that has an opinion and changes it before an event as opposed to someone that changes their opinion after an event? And by "event" I mean before the trigger is actually pulled, the troops are sent in, the money is mailed, the vote is cast.......you get the picture.

And I want to be clear about my defense of Palin. I admit that I don't know one hell of a lot about her right now. I trust that the background checks have been done and she has met the tests. I do not, however, think that the lame reasons I have heard so far are enough to discredit her. It seems suspicious to me right now that everyone that thinks that she is such a trainwreck of a pick are the Democrats though. And I think it is VERY suspicious that the democrats that have rejected Joe Biden as a viable candidate for President all of these years are suddenly embracing him as though they think he would make a great one now.