[BIRD33]

Lovable loser old guy with a heart of gold that loves his country(played by Nick Nolte) is running for president and stands no chance against the arrogant younger front runner(played by Rob Lowe).

Nolte is totally dead in the water and the goofy bastard is down 15 pts campaigning in Alaska.During a snowstorm he and a small staff head to a campaign event in the middle of no where when his driver runs into a snowdrift.They try to push it out but are attacked by a moose,hilarity ensues.They scramble back into the suv and try to call for help but there is no service.The moose starts smashing the car up and they fear for their life,the jewish member of the staff screams like a girl for comedic effect.

Just as it looks most grim they hear a gunshot and the moose runs away.On screen appears the hero(played by Sandra Bullock).A mid forties women, plain jane but attractive, dressed down enough where she's not super hot.Nick Nolte thanks her and they get to talking.Turns out she's governor of this wacky state and they are going to the same event.She gives a great speech, she's a real woman of the people everyone loves her and she gets the crowd going.

Nick Nolte gets to thinking hey why not, this is the crazy move he needs and he makes her his VP.His staff seriously disagrees.

They show her getting a makeover while playing some cheesy upbeat eighty's song cutting back and forth from showing her try on different outfits at the mall.They show a news program running a story about how this mystery pick shocked everyone and there is serious doubt she can pull it off.James Carville makes a cameo saying this is the craziest dang thing he's ever seen.

She makes a fool of herself at first but then buckles down on the issues and they show her touring the states(Like the movie Hoosiers showing the games with the music playing) making great speeches and becoming wildly popular.She's the hockey mom every woman and now they show a news story praising her.

Noltes numbers rise to a tie based on her.Rob Lowe trys to sabotage her and some type of tough decision must be made by her about something that puts everything in jeopardy.She does the right thing but it looks like its going to cost them the election.She's sad and it looks bleak but out of no where the american people vote for Nolte and they win.

Inauguration day comes and everyone's happy.Weeks later she gets a call and Nolte dies of a heart attack.She's sad but now she's president.War breaks out, she's brave and saves the day.Upbeat chick music, fade to black.She run's for reelection in the sequel.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Where's Paulin retarded kid in that picture? Conviently left out?

I think their kid is like a year or so old. that pic was before he was born.

Write it down, fucktard. Republicans are going to be voting in huge numbers this year with their penises. Hot chics rule, and Palin is the next VP.

Obama can only cleverly concoct so many sad ways to weasel himself into office. McCain one upped him today. Rock the Hotties! McCain is the political Hugh Hefner. You go dude!

[cLaY]

Racist fuck heads like flumper and anhil8tor will be the ones voting with their penis.

I liked this tid-bit:

"[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that V.P. slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question."

and this...

Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.[29] After she was announced as McCain's presumptive running mate, she stated that she does not believe that climate change is man-made.[30]

again...bad choice. who's more blind...the guy's eager for change voting for the optimistic Obama or the racist bigots voting for a thick thigh'd cunt who doesn't know what she stands for? this bitch will never be 2nd in command.

[snarg]

You're a fucking idiot.

i feel embarrassed for gator
isn't there something we can do??

I think their kid is like a year or so old. that pic was before he was born.

Write it down, fucktard. Republicans are going to be voting in huge numbers this year with their penises. Hot chics rule, and Palin is the next VP.

Obama can only cleverly concoct so many sad ways to weasel himself into office. McCain one upped him today. Rock the Hotties! McCain is the political Hugh Hefner. You go dude!

you are either kidding or have lost your mind
nobody with a dick wants to see this bitch in control of the buttons
get a fucking grip, flump

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

teh Flumper is a big fan of hot chics running for office. you wait. palin is going to steal every one of those 18,000 votes that hillary spent the last year gathering up. republican men are going to turn out in droves to put the first pam anderson into office. Its electric. I'm not making this up. talk to your buddies. the total buzz right now is "omg have you seen this chick that mccain picked? she is fucking hot."

[Anhil8tor]

the line is clearly drawn......


clay, bird33 and snarg on one side..

flump and 8 on the other.


bode the southerns.

[BIRD33]

Lovable loser old guy with a heart of gold that loves his country(played by Nick Nolte) is running for president and stands no chance against the arrogant younger front runner(played by Rob Lowe).

Nolte is totally dead in the water and the goofy bastard is down 15 pts campaigning in Alaska.During a snowstorm he and a small staff head to a campaign event in the middle of no where when his driver runs into a snowdrift.They try to push it out but are attacked by a moose,hilarity ensues.They scramble back into the suv and try to call for help but there is no service.The moose starts smashing the car up and they fear for their life,the jewish member of the staff screams like a girl for comedic effect.

Just as it looks most grim they hear a gunshot and the moose runs away.On screen appears the hero(played by Sandra Bullock).A mid forties women, plain jane but attractive, dressed down enough where she's not super hot.Nick Nolte thanks her and they get to talking.Turns out she's governor of this wacky state and they are going to the same event.She gives a great speech, she's a real woman of the people everyone loves her and she gets the crowd going.

Nick Nolte gets to thinking hey why not, this is the crazy move he needs and he makes her his VP.His staff seriously disagrees.

They show her getting a makeover while playing some cheesy upbeat eighty's song cutting back and forth from showing her try on different outfits at the mall.They show a news program running a story about how this mystery pick shocked everyone and there is serious doubt she can pull it off.James Carville makes a cameo saying this is the craziest dang thing he's ever seen.

She makes a fool of herself at first but then buckles down on the issues and they show her touring the states(Like the movie Hoosiers showing the games with the music playing) making great speeches and becoming wildly popular.She's the hockey mom every woman and now they show a news story praising her.

Noltes numbers rise to a tie based on her.Rob Lowe trys to sabotage her and some type of tough decision must be made by her about something that puts everything in jeopardy.She does the right thing but it looks like its going to cost them the election.She's sad and it looks bleak but out of no where the american people vote for Nolte and they win.

Inauguration day comes and everyone's happy.Weeks later she gets a call and Nolte dies of a heart attack.She's sad but now she's president.War breaks out, she's brave and saves the day.Upbeat chick music, fade to black.She run's for reelection in the sequel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borow...22575.html

[BIRD33]

[snarg]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borow...22575.html

"....in the case of this year's GOP ticket, life will probably imitate art only up to a point: "In real life, if Gov. Palin becomes President she will most likely ban abortions, destroy wildlife habitats and blow up the world."

dowd has written the same story
i guess it is just too easy
this seems like a joke
how could mccain do this??

[littlelolly]

I let this get to page 44 before I said a word.

Quoting anything off of a website run by Ariana Huffington should have serious consequences. In fact, reading any word produced by that whackadoodle and her minions is a mortifying notion all in itself. She's a moron and the quintessential attention whore.

McCain picking Palin was as calculated and shrewd as the GOP could've mastered. Brilliance that took the wind right out of what should be the DNC's mighty post-convention sails. Goldie Hawn movie it if you will, but it was tactical.

The very simple fact of the matter is that the Democrats should be beyond ahead in the polls and should take this election in a landslide. There should really be no contest. The way the Repbublicans have run this country post-Clinton should be enough fodder in itself for them to lose the White House in resounding fashion. Sadly, the Dems can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to win an election with a qualified candidate or unite on some semblance of a platform. There are some brilliant minds in the Democratic party. It's a shame they're not using their brain power collectively.

[BIRD33]

I let this get to page 44 before I said a word.

Quoting anything off of a website run by Ariana Huffington should have serious consequences. In fact, reading any word produced by that whackadoodle and her minions is a mortifying notion all in itself. She's a moron and the quintessential attention whore.

McCain picking Palin was as calculated and shrewd as the GOP could've mastered. Brilliance that took the wind right out of what should be the DNC's mighty post-convention sails. Goldie Hawn movie it if you will, but it was tactical.

The very simple fact of the matter is that the Democrats should be beyond ahead in the polls and should take this election in a landslide. There should really be no contest. The way the Repbublicans have run this country post-Clinton should be enough fodder in itself for them to lose the White House in resounding fashion. Sadly, the Dems can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to win an election with a qualified candidate or unite on some semblance of a platform. There are some brilliant minds in the Democratic party. It's a shame they're not using their brain power collectively.

When commenting on something its best to actually read it so make sure you make sense as to what you're talking about.If you would have taken the time you'd have noticed that huffington did not write the link I posted as she doesnt write 98% of the posts on her site.It was a article by andy borowitz, a satirist who makes fun of both parties,on how the Palin selection seems surreal and similar to a Goldie Hawn film from the 80's.Give it a read when you get a chance, your post might seem pointless afterward though.

Do you think people forgot that the Dems had a succesfull campaign?In fact the Palin pick galvinized the fact that people thought it was an overall succesful convention because they never had time to disect it and find faults because we're all to busy scratching our heads at Mccains VP pick.

The Democrats have the first black candidate for president up, I repeat up 8 points in the national polls and well ahead in all the swing states he needs to get elected and you're telling them to get their head out of their asses?They've got the GOP scrambling so much they're pinning thier hopes on a governor of a state with a population less than the district of columbia whose previous qualifications where being mayor of a town of 7,000 and you're worried where the great minds of the Dems are?Do you think the question of is she prepared to be president with absolutly no foreign policy knowledge and little economic experience will come up now and between november since we would be electing the oldest first term president with a history of cancer?You're right when are the Dems going to wake up?

If you still want to hang your hat on the fact Obama isnt blowing away mccain let me remind you we the dems are bold enough to nominate a black person for president and the fact he's up 8 in the polls is historic.People are nervous about electing a black guy and thats why he's not up twenty but as people get to know Obama better and see that Mccain is prepared to gamble your future on a mother of 5 who paid her first visit ever to freaking pennsylvania last week and hasnt by her own admission been paying attention to Iraq then soon that margin will rise.

Either way it doesnt matter since Obama's up in all the states he needs to be but hopefully he'll be viewed by you as having his head out of his ass because clearly with the Palin pick he's hurting in the clueless housewives demographic.

[BIRD33]

Forget what I said about her having no national security experience.I forgot alaska is close to russia.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zP8uFPWxaA&eurl"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zP8uFPWxaA&eurl[/ame]

You republicans have to be embarrassed at this point.

[littlelolly]

When commenting on something its best to actually read it so make sure you make sense as to what you're talking about.If you would have taken the time you'd have noticed that huffington did not write the link I posted as she doesnt write 98% of the posts on her site.It was a article by andy borowitz, a satirist who makes fun of both parties,on how the Palin selection seems surreal and similar to a Goldie Hawn film from the 80's.Give it a read when you get a chance, your post might seem pointless afterward though.

Perhaps it is you who should re-read. I didn't say she wrote it. I said that anything posted on that whackadoodle's website, written by her or one of her contributors, often isn't worth quoting. I have met Arianna Huffington, and my father considers her ex-husband Mike among his political contemporaries. (No, my dad's not bisexual like Mike, but thanks for asking.) The woman is mental--liberals keep her at arm's length because she is so unstable and generally hurts campaigns more than she helps them. And I am quite aware of Andy Borowitz. He is a great satirist and an extremely intelligent man. But to assert that he's equal in his assault on both parties is ridiculous--please refer to his popularity on NPR and left-leaning newsweek.com for more information.

Do you think people forgot that the Dems had a succesfull campaign?In fact the Palin pick galvinized the fact that people thought it was an overall succesful convention because they never had time to disect it and find faults because we're all to busy scratching our heads at Mccains VP pick.

Okay please remember I'm slow. I have no idea what you're trying to say here. It was a successful convention--Obama's tv numbers were astounding for an acceptance speech that lacked substance. His post-convention uptick should be much higher, statistically speaking. The fact that the Palin pick is a head-scratcher to the Democrats further proves the point that the infighting in that party needs to stop--and they need to spend their energies doing their homework against the RNC. You have a contingency of several thousand voters in that Democratic party that are so loyally swayed by Senator Clinton that they're actually willing to vote against Obama. Howard Dean--the party's committe chair, for God's sake--has gone on every tv show that'll have him to preach the need for the Dems to unite and move forward.

The Democrats have the first black candidate for president up, I repeat up 8 points in the national polls and well ahead in all the swing states he needs to get elected and you're telling them to get their head out of their asses?They've got the GOP scrambling so much they're pinning thier hopes on a governor of a state with a population less than the district of columbia whose previous qualifications where being mayor of a town of 7,000 and you're worried where the great minds of the Dems are?Do you think the question of is she prepared to be president with absolutly no foreign policy knowledge and little economic experience will come up now and between november since we would be electing the oldest first term president with a history of cancer?You're right when are the Dems going to wake up?

Please outline for me Obama's foreign policy experience. Quite simply, he has none. Not enough to be President. Would I prefer a Veep candidate with more knowledge than Palin in this arena? Absolutely. But perhaps recent history would dictate that VP candidates with a plethora of knowledge about world matters (read: Dick Cheney) aren't the best choice, either. McCain has enough foreign policy experience for the both of them. Perhaps he intends to keep his VP out of that arena altogether. In light of recent administrations, that might not be a bad idea. Palin isn't a dumb woman. If she can use her brain to grasp the issues, and articulate common sense policies that the American people will support, she could prove a better vice president than Biden--and a better President than Obama himself. You are right about his lead in the swing states, but he did nothing on his own to garner that lead. McCain's continued idiotic stance on NAFTA has destroyed him in those regions. His alignment to NAFTA has crippled economies on those swing states, and they're not apt to forget. All Obama has to do is go after that on a fairer-trade platform and he can start gaining a lead he should already have in the bag. But Obama's not willing to do that. In fact, he hired Jay Furman as his chief economic adviser. Furman, as I'm sure you already know, has spent the better part of the last many years defending Wal-Mart (the most pro-NAFTA company ever) while remaining firmly in bed with Robert Rubin--who championed NAFTA as Bill Clinton's Secretary of the Treasury. (For what it's worth, I voted for Clinton.)

If you still want to hang your hat on the fact Obama isnt blowing away mccain let me remind you we the dems are bold enough to nominate a black person for president and the fact he's up 8 in the polls is historic.People are nervous about electing a black guy and thats why he's not up twenty but as people get to know Obama better and see that Mccain is prepared to gamble your future on a mother of 5 who paid her first visit ever to freaking pennsylvania last week and hasnt by her own admission been paying attention to Iraq then soon that margin will rise.

Either way it doesnt matter since Obama's up in all the states he needs to be but hopefully he'll be viewed by you as having his head out of his ass because clearly with the Palin pick he's hurting in the clueless housewives demographic.

This is common of the liberal agenda--to attack with emotion and insults instead of fact. That clueless housewives comment really isn't necessary and just makes your arguments look weak. Simple fact: the American people hate the current administration. Hate it. Hate the war, hate Bush, hate Cheney, hate the economy. He should be light years ahead in the polls. Look at the namepower backing the man. To blame his ethnicity on his low margin is as racist as suggesting that the black issue is why people aren't willing to commit to him as their candidate in larger numbers. And for the record, Geraldine Ferraro, Queen Mum of the DNC, thinks Sara Palin is a fantastic pick as VP of the country. The lefties on Meet the Press this morning had not a bad thing to say about her--and you know they haven't slept since Friday in an attempt to find some shred of anything. This idea that she is unqualified; runs a state slightly smaller in popluation than wherever--if I could just go back to that. Obama's been in the Senate for 140-plus working days. He has never chaired one committee. There's question to if he even had a meeting on that subcommittee foreign policy committee that he chairs. Barack Obama has not done one thing to qualify himself to be the leader of the United States. He's held a couple of offices and then hasn't done anything with them. He told the DNC last Friday that he's qualified because he's a member of the party of FDR and JFK. He's a Democrat, and he's got Joe Biden on the ticket who has been wrong about more foreign policy decisions than he's been right. That qualifies him? Again, I'm a little slow. Help me with this.

And ultimately, this isn't a comparison between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama. It's John McCain and Barack Obama. And before you start on the whole cancer thing (which, as a chain smoker, Obama should watch for himself) remember that feminists are gonna LOVE Sarah Palin. She's got a baby--five kids--and she goes to work. Okay so she's pro-life, which they won't like--but most feminazis are so desperate to maintain their women-conquering-the-glass-ceiling-man-hating agenda, they don't usually pay attention to details like that. The Dems will have to be very careful in picking Palin apart--in doing so, they could piss off that feminazi liberal base that has historically voted out of spite.

Hang on, I'll be right back. I gotta go back to being a clueless housewife.

[BIRD33]

Perhaps it is you who should re-read. I didn't say she wrote it. I said that anything posted on that whackadoodle's website, written by her or one of her contributors, often isn't worth quoting. I have met Arianna Huffington, and my father considers her ex-husband Mike among his political contemporaries. (No, my dad's not bisexual like Mike, but thanks for asking.) The woman is mental--liberals keep her at arm's length because she is so unstable and generally hurts campaigns more than she helps them. And I am quite aware of Andy Borowitz. He is a great satirist and an extremely intelligent man. But to assert that he's equal in his assault on both parties is ridiculous--please refer to his popularity on NPR and left-leaning newsweek.com for more information.


Okay please remember I'm slow. I have no idea what you're trying to say here. It was a successful convention--Obama's tv numbers were astounding for an acceptance speech that lacked substance. His post-convention uptick should be much higher, statistically speaking. The fact that the Palin pick is a head-scratcher to the Democrats further proves the point that the infighting in that party needs to stop--and they need to spend their energies doing their homework against the RNC. You have a contingency of several thousand voters in that Democratic party that are so loyally swayed by Senator Clinton that they're actually willing to vote against Obama. Howard Dean--the party's committe chair, for God's sake--has gone on every tv show that'll have him to preach the need for the Dems to unite and move forward.


Please outline for me Obama's foreign policy experience. Quite simply, he has none. Not enough to be President. Would I prefer a Veep candidate with more knowledge than Palin in this arena? Absolutely. But perhaps recent history would dictate that VP candidates with a plethora of knowledge about world matters (read: Dick Cheney) aren't the best choice, either. McCain has enough foreign policy experience for the both of them. Perhaps he intends to keep his VP out of that arena altogether. In light of recent administrations, that might not be a bad idea. Palin isn't a dumb woman. If she can use her brain to grasp the issues, and articulate common sense policies that the American people will support, she could prove a better vice president than Biden--and a better President than Obama himself. You are right about his lead in the swing states, but he did nothing on his own to garner that lead. McCain's continued idiotic stance on NAFTA has destroyed him in those regions. His alignment to NAFTA has crippled economies on those swing states, and they're not apt to forget. All Obama has to do is go after that on a fairer-trade platform and he can start gaining a lead he should already have in the bag. But Obama's not willing to do that. In fact, he hired Jay Furman as his chief economic adviser. Furman, as I'm sure you already know, has spent the better part of the last many years defending Wal-Mart (the most pro-NAFTA company ever) while remaining firmly in bed with Robert Rubin--who championed NAFTA as Bill Clinton's Secretary of the Treasury. (For what it's worth, I voted for Clinton.)


This is common of the liberal agenda--to attack with emotion and insults instead of fact. That clueless housewives comment really isn't necessary and just makes your arguments look weak. Simple fact: the American people hate the current administration. Hate it. Hate the war, hate Bush, hate Cheney, hate the economy. He should be light years ahead in the polls. Look at the namepower backing the man. To blame his ethnicity on his low margin is as racist as suggesting that the black issue is why people aren't willing to commit to him as their candidate in larger numbers. And for the record, Geraldine Ferraro, Queen Mum of the DNC, thinks Sara Palin is a fantastic pick as VP of the country. The lefties on Meet the Press this morning had not a bad thing to say about her--and you know they haven't slept since Friday in an attempt to find some shred of anything. This idea that she is unqualified; runs a state slightly smaller in popluation than wherever--if I could just go back to that. Obama's been in the Senate for 140-plus working days. He has never chaired one committee. There's question to if he even had a meeting on that subcommittee foreign policy committee that he chairs. Barack Obama has not done one thing to qualify himself to be the leader of the United States. He's held a couple of offices and then hasn't done anything with them. He told the DNC last Friday that he's qualified because he's a member of the party of FDR and JFK. He's a Democrat, and he's got Joe Biden on the ticket who has been wrong about more foreign policy decisions than he's been right. That qualifies him? Again, I'm a little slow. Help me with this.

And ultimately, this isn't a comparison between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama. It's John McCain and Barack Obama. And before you start on the whole cancer thing (which, as a chain smoker, Obama should watch for himself) remember that feminists are gonna LOVE Sarah Palin. She's got a baby--five kids--and she goes to work. Okay so she's pro-life, which they won't like--but most feminazis are so desperate to maintain their women-conquering-the-glass-ceiling-man-hating agenda, they don't usually pay attention to details like that. The Dems will have to be very careful in picking Palin apart--in doing so, they could piss off that feminazi liberal base that has historically voted out of spite.

Hang on, I'll be right back. I gotta go back to being a clueless housewife.

A debate on ariana huffington this was not and the only reason it seems you'd like to make it one is to show off your political chops.I'm not here to defend the huffington post but to imply everything written there is rubber stamped by huffington thus making it invalid is very incorrect.Its obvious you didnt read it before you condemned it because if you did you would have seen the point of my post and that it was satire.I don't care about your fathers political connections and they have no bearing on this argument but to disprove the old apple falling far from the tree theory.



I'm at a loss at what you describe as democrat infighting.The dems are a very united party and to try to say they arent just because 7000 disgruntled Hillary voters are some how prepared to vote against a core belief such as abortion rights and vote for a ticket who have swore to repeal row vs. wade is just naive.Also I hope all 7000 of those hillary voters all live in the same state like Ohio or else them being dispersed around the country isnt going to make a damn bit of difference in the national election.In strong party's there are always disaffected voters pissed off at the other side of their party because they lost.They eventually come around or they werent strong believers in that party anyway.

Ask random people if the convention was a success and their thoughts will be of a filled to capacity mile high stadium,the first black nominee and obama's good speech.The picking of Palin the day after just galvinized the opinon that the dem convention was strong because mccain never gave his pundits time to pick apart the convention since they were to busy doing damage control about Palin.

I read the rest of you post in stunned silence and realize I'm talking to a retard.So here are a few observations..


Because Cheyney was a terrible vp we shouldnt pick qualified vp's anymore?Great logic.

Are democrats the only one who hate the war in Iraq, cheyney and the economy?You should meet some of my republican friends.

Is it racist to suggest that whites are less willing to vote for a black guy over a white person when it's true?Remember america's truth telling redneck cousin, West Virginia and how they basically came out and said they wouldnt during the primaries?100% of people who voted against him just seem to think hillary and Mccain are the best qualified, right?

Joe Biden is a past chairman of the Senate Juducairy Committe and the current chairman of the Foriegn Service Committe.He's made more correct decisions than times your husbands finished on your ass.I forgot you're all for the low goals variety of vp like the manager of a turnpike exit motel.

Ferrao hates Obama becuase she came out and said the only reason he's popular is because he's black and he called her on it.Of course she supports Palin.

Will the Fem nazi democratic base ever support a candidate that wants to make abortion illegal?Are you actually reading what you're writing?This is terrible.


I love the "oh well she's pro life" line like she's supporting a ban on trans fats.



You just set your fellow woman back to before they had a female running for president.You really are out of it.

[BIRD33]

[SIZE="3"]Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [/SIZE]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/...486/580223

This probably isnt true but there is some solid evidence like she didnt announce she was pregnant till she said she was 7 months along and didnt look pregnant at all.There are pictures.How great would it be if this were true?

[cLaY]

Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/...486/580223

This probably isnt true but there is some solid evidence like she didnt announce she was pregnant till she said she was 7 months along and didnt look pregnant at all.There are pictures.How great would it be if this were true?

There could be truth to this.

[littlelolly]

A debate on ariana huffington this was not and the only reason it seems you'd like to make it one is to show off your political chops.I'm not here to defend the huffington post but to imply everything written there is rubber stamped by huffington thus making it invalid is very incorrect.Its obvious you didnt read it before you condemned it because if you did you would have seen the point of my post and that it was satire.I don't care about your fathers political connections and they have no bearing on this argument but to disprove the old apple falling far from the tree theory.

I covered my stance on Ms. Huffington in the first paragraph. You are correct; a debate on her this was not. Just like many liberals, I do not waste my time on the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos.

I'm at a loss at what you describe as democrat infighting.The dems are a very united party and to try to say they arent just because 7000 disgruntled Hillary voters are some how prepared to vote against a core belief such as abortion rights and vote for a ticket who have swore to repeal row vs. wade is just naive.Also I hope all 7000 of those hillary voters all live in the same state like Ohio or else them being dispersed around the country isnt going to make a damn bit of difference in the national election.In strong party's there are always disaffected voters pissed off at the other side of their party because they lost.They eventually come around or they werent strong believers in that party anyway.

Roe v. Wade. Thanks.
Democrat infighting has been a hot topic since last March, when fissures in the DNC really started to erupt. Everyone high up in the Democratic party has publicly addressed the fractured state of the party: from Donna Brazille (Al Gore's campaign manager in 2000 and now a superdelegate) to Howard Dean to James Carville to Harold Ford (the man who has been named as successor by those who have publicly wanted Dean ousted for over a year now) to Stacie Paxton, DNC Princess who has had to account for the lack of fundraising this year within the party because of the infighting--hell, even a Gallup poll not so long ago said that 28% of Hillary supporters and 19% of Obama supporters would vote for McCain based on their disappointment of the party. Obama's only up by 8 points. He can't afford those numbers.

Ask random people if the convention was a success and their thoughts will be of a filled to capacity mile high stadium,the first black nominee and obama's good speech.The picking of Palin the day after just galvinized the opinon that the dem convention was strong because mccain never gave his pundits time to pick apart the convention since they were to busy doing damage control about Palin.

The convention is supposed to rally the troops. Everyone unites for a few days and has quite a party. Biden's speech was more powerful than Obama's, but they were both good. The numbers, as I mentioned before, were astronomical. I'm not arguing that the convention tanked. I fail to see your point here.

I read the rest of you post in stunned silence and realize I'm talking to a retard.So here are a few observations..

Okay stop right there. Here you go again with the personal attacks. You know full well that I'm not a retard. I've presented nothing but fact and given credit to the liberals when it's been due. I refuse to resort to name calling...but then again, I don't have to insult your intelligence or lack thereof, because you're doing it all by yourself. Having said that, let's continue with your misspellings and poor reading comprehension--both of which are again fact, not baseless insults on your character.

Because Cheyney was a terrible vp we shouldnt pick qualified vp's anymore?Great logic.

No the point here was that Cheney had more foreign policy knowlege than anyone in the world, and Bush rightfully didn't trust his own knowledge of international policy, so he went with the person who had that "strength." It proved to be a terrible misstep. McCain has the personal and professional foreign policy knowledge to stand on his own two feet and needs someone with strengths in other areas. He thinks he's found that in Sarah Palin. The next two months will prove if he was right.

Are democrats the only one who hate the war in Iraq, cheyney and the economy?You should meet some of my republican friends.

Okay again, I urge you to get past my 'retardedness' and re-read. I said the American people--Republicans, Democrats, Independents--the American people hate the war, Bush, Cheney, and the economy. Precisely why Obama should hold a larger margin in the polls. Again, I ask you to clarify your point--everyone hates the current status, and McCain doesn't seem to promise anything more but the same.

Is it racist to suggest that whites are less willing to vote for a black guy over a white person when it's true?Remember america's truth telling redneck cousin, West Virginia and how they basically came out and said they wouldnt during the primaries?100% of people who voted against him just seem to think hillary and Mccain are the best qualified, right?

Rasmussen Reports (I am assuming you understand who they are) has McCain over Obama in their last West Virginia poll by 8 points. That was before the convention. A stunt like Palin on the ticket will keep those rednecks home. West Virginians aren't going to let a woman anywhere near the buttons. It's also not a battleground state, nor is it indicative of the general voting population, which was proven by Democrats themselves last month when McCain was blasted in West Virginia for his empty promises on clean coal reform. I don't need to call your argument weak, because it's painfully obvious. Notice I'm calling your argument weak, not you personally.

Joe Biden is a past chairman of the Senate Juducairy Committe and the current chairman of the Foriegn Service Committe.He's made more correct decisions than times your husbands finished on your ass.I forgot you're all for the low goals variety of vp like the manager of a turnpike exit motel.

Again with the personal attacks and comments. I wish you could step out of yourself for a second and read what you're writing. I think you'd see how badly it shadows any attempt you have at really debating the issues. Anyhow, misspellings aside, Joe Biden is a perfect example of someone who has been in Washington far too long and done nothing to show for it. Throughout his tenure, he has been categorically wrong on the most paramount national security issue: the steadily spreading danger of strategic missiles and nuclear weapons. In 2001, Senator Biden loudly fought the Bush administration's decisive push for ballistic missile defenses, because he claimed it would never work, wasn't worth the money, and there wasn't any danger anyway. But Biden has no engineering background, so he had to go on faith, echoing the critics--who turned out to be wrong. Now we know ballistic missile defense works. Apparently Poland, the Ukraine, and Georgia are fully convinced of the need for ballistic missile defenses; so are Israel and Saudi Arabia; so are India, Japan and South Korea. They all seem to know something Joe Biden doesn't. How is a man who is supposed to bring foreign policy credibility to the Dem ticket so far off on what both sides agree to be such a critical issue?

And for the record, not so long ago he observed he has a great relationship with the Eastern Indians in his constituency because one could not go into a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts without seeing Indians or hearing Indian accents--and that he would run well among blacks since he represents Delaware, a state that before the Civil War had slaves. Huh?

Finally, both sides of the aisle have come to some agreeement that the reason why the troops are coming home sooner rather than later is because the recent surge worked. A surge that Biden and Obama voted against.

Ferrao hates Obama becuase she came out and said the only reason he's popular is because he's black and he called her on it.Of course she supports Palin.
Will the Fem nazi democratic base ever support a candidate that wants to make abortion illegal?Are you actually reading what you're writing?This is terrible.
I love the "oh well she's pro life" line like she's supporting a ban on trans fats.
You just set your fellow woman back to before they had a female running for president.You really are out of it.

Feminazi pro-lifers have already pledged their support to Palin. Feminazi pro-choicers will do whatever Hillary tells them to do. Hillary had to stump at that convention last week out of self-preservation, and she did so for no other reason. That's just simple politics. Those feminazi liberals won't vote for a Republican. They just won't vote. They'll stay home. Exactly, once again, what Obama can't afford.
And to answer your claim, I think behind closed doors in voting booths, this world is not ready for a woman president. I don't think I am, as a matter of fact. I don't know if we've seen a woman strong enough (I'm thinking like an American Margaret Thatcher in her heyday) to be leader of the free world. I hope in my lifetime we will. Is that setting women back? Only if my arguments and points are factless, insipid, and baseless. If I can support my theories with sound fact and proven statistical analysis, which you have to agree I have here, for example, then that's moving women ahead as intellectuals.

[BIRD33]

Does anyone disagree with the statement that the democrats are as unified as they've been in two decades?They are up 7 points in the national election and their base is very motiviated.Comparing to republicans I'm not sure how you can criticize the dems.

This is how I know you're clueless:You are worried about the ability of the Dems to raise money.

Barack Obama-

Money raised July '08: $50,113,031

Money raised total: $389,423,102

Money on hand to spend: $65,837,809

John Mccain:

Money raised July '08: $28,699,748

Money raised total: $174,165,949

Money on hand to spend: $32,768,214

So you write that someone in the DNC had to account for the lack of fundraising but as you can see Obama has raised an unprecedented amount of money and can out spend Mccain 2 to 1.Geez I'd hate to have to take the blame for my partys record fundraising totals.Please spin your way out of this by saying I missed the point some how.

You say,hilariously I might add, that Mccain is picking Palin because he's the one with the foreign policy experience and she can help in other areas so my question to you is what other areas?She's got no real economic experience so what does she bring to the table, sex education?Ooops thats not her specialty either.Later on in your post you try to criticize Biden for one of his decisions while chair of the Foreign service commitee and that one decision may have been incorrect I'll grant you that but it's one out of thousands of decisions he's made on a national level.Nobody said he was infallible but for comparisons sake the women you are trying to get with in a heartbeat of the presidency who's running with a 70 year old cancer survivor was in 2001, the same time Biden was chairing the committe you cited, Palin was mayor of a city of 7,000 people.Are you telling me she's more qualified than Biden and do you honestly believe that she'd be ready day one to be leader of the free world?Answer those questions, please.

The reason I continue to call you a clueless housewife which you most certainly are is because respect is earned and nothing you've posted has even been rational let alone factual.

For example you try to imply Obama needs to worry about Femnazi(listen to Limbaugh much?) pro lifers and how thay can stay home on election day like its a major factor.I can fit all fem nazi pro lifers in my office at one time, they literally number in the 100's.If abortion is the destruction of a human life to you you probably arent voting democrat so what the fuck are you rambling on about?

Leave the politics to the men like your daddy, honey.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I would marry Palin's daughter and raise her child just for the chance to stay at her mom's house during Christmas and wear my shoe mirrors to breakfast. Thanks.

[BIRD33]

I would marry Palin's daughter and raise her child just for the chance to stay at her mom's house during Christmas and wear my shoe mirrors to breakfast. Thanks.

The base of the republican party everyone.