[BIRD33]

Do you get info by town crier?By the time your post was made they had already done the introduction in springfield.Try checking out more on the internet then Useless junk.com.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Do you get info by town crier?By the time your post was made they had already done the introduction in springfield.Try checking out more on the internet then Useless junk.com.

Hmm... I read it in the paper this morning. I don't generally watch the news channels on Saturday morning.

[BIRD33]

How bout this box with the glowing screen you're staring at?Ever consider getting your news from that?

[BIRD33]

Fantastic speech by Michelle Obama last night.Should put to rest some fears as to who she really is and what they're about.Hillary better lay the hammer down on Mccain and bush as well as guilting her supporters in to voting for Obama.

Did anyone notice that Cindy Mccain is going to the republic of Georgia now.What the fuck is she going to do?Open a beer distributor?I would love a first lady debate.

[cLaY]

I was fist pumping during that speech last night. You can definately tell which canidate's wife has the brain's.

[BIRD33]

I can't wait to see who Mccain picks.He's so boxed in its hilarious.Huckabee is supposedly waiting it out until 2012 for some reason but he sadly makes the most sense.Romney would be great for the democrats but the comments below pretty much destroy that.Its almost like Liberman is the most sensible choice to combat Bidens experience but that doesnt help with the economy.Sucks selling your soul to the far right for a nomination.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/th...gains.html

McCain’s first salvo out of the box on Biden was to use Biden’s quotes about Obama against them. Heaven knows there is far MORE ammunition for Obama when it comes to McCain and Romney. McCain called Romney a flip-flopper dozens of times on record, said he costs thousands of jobs as head of Bain and of course questioned his commitment on Iraq. That doesn’t include all the things Romney said about McCain, like attacking McCain on taxes, attacking him for not having a clue on the economy and a host of other issues. Obama’s folks would have a bevy of pre-made ads just using the ads that McCain and Romney ran against each other in the primary.

The other arguments are just as weak. Obama picked Biden to shore up his foreign affairs and national security credentials, so McCain, the argument goes, needs to pick Romney to do the same on the economy. But Romney’s supposed economic chops would be instantly deflated not only by what McCain said about Romney, but rest assured that the DNC has every single job Romney and Bain cost for every target, every offshore deal they did that shipped jobs overseas and every questionable investment they made. Tim Pawlenty has none of that baggage.

Romney can deliver Michigan. Pure nonsense.
Romney winning the GOP primary there is a far cry from delivering the state. Could he be helpful, sure, but not decisive. The question is do the rest of his negatives erase or outweigh whatever help he can provide in Michigan? Many have said that McCain (with his 7 or 8 houses) needs to pick an “every Joe” who can appeal to blue collar workers. That certainly isn’t Romney. Romney may not have as many houses as McCain, but he certainly has more money. Here again, Pawlenty is a far better choice.

As you know many of our conservative Christian friends (as underscored by Huckabee’s constant comments) do not like Romney – not only because of his flip-flopping, but also because he is a Mormon. As you know, Pawlenty is one of them.

And lastly, how does Mr. Straight Talk choose a guy who he has repeatedly called a flip-flopper? Doesn’t that undermine McCain’s brand and credibility? It surely would undercut Romney on the campaign trail and in debates.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

"It's official: Barack Obama has received no bounce in voter support out of his selection of Sen. Joe Biden to be his vice presidential running mate.

Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 23-25, the first three-day period falling entirely after Obama's Saturday morning vice presidential announcement, shows 46% of national registered voters backing John McCain and 44% supporting Obama, not appreciably different from the previous week's standing for both candidates. This is the first time since Obama clinched the nomination in early June, though, that McCain has held any kind of advantage over Obama in Gallup Poll Daily tracking."

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

This is kind of funny.

By the time it was clear that Barack Obama had narrowed his vice presidential choices down to Biden, Kaine, and Bayh, it was already determined that the Democrats would be sending out a ticket with a troubling lack of executive experience. With the ultimate choice of Biden, Obama went for the best known of a bad lot, but may have made a serious mistake.

Historically, Senators make poor presidential candidates because legislators are usually far less popular or well known than those who hold more prominent political positions, and because many voters are looking for candidates who have given some sign that they can provide individual leadership, make firm decisions, and look presidential. That means executive experience: either holding a cabinet level government office, being governor of a state, having a military command position, or having a meaningful career in business. A Senator hasn't actually won a presidential election since John F. Kennedy in 1960.

It's particularly strange that both parties have chosen Senators to head their tickets in a year when the Congress has its lowest approval rating of all time, bottoming out at around 14% this summer and still only around 20% overall. That's half the approval rating of President Bush, which raises the improbable thought that more Americans would rather see Bush serve another term than vote for any Senator for president.

So both parties were fairly dumb to nominate Senators for the presidency, but having made that mistake, it seems just monumentally stupid to try to strengthen your ticket by adding another Senator. Obama was already at a serious experience deficit, with no business or leadership background outside of a brief Senate tenure, while McCain at least held a command position in the military and had a real job prior to entering politics. Picking a six-term Senator with no other experience in his background as a running mate for Obama is like throwing a drowning man an anchor, or in this case a second anchor, instead of a life preserver. All McCain has to do is pick a governor — any governor — and he immediately looks more competent and more presidential than Obama.

As for Joe Biden personally, do his assets even outweigh his liabilities for the campaign? Obama has made 'change' the watchword for his campaign, yet Biden is the poster boy for status quo. He's not an agent of change, he's the champion of sameness, with 36 years voting for failed ideas and big government over and over again. Biden's two notable pieces of legislation come from the 1990s, the Violence Against Women Act, large portions of which were struck down as unconstitutional and biased, and the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, viewed widely on the left and the right (for different reasons) as one of the most oppressive pieces of legislation to come out of Congress in decades. This act included the widely hated assault weapons ban, massive additional and unnecessary expenditure for law enforcement, much of it tied to drug enforcement, the elimination of educational programs for prisoners and the expansion of the federal death penalty to apply to 60 additional crimes. There's something in it to offend everyone from the NRA to the ACLU, and when they're on the same side it's either a sign of the apocalypse or a sign of very bad legislation.

Biden's one supposed asset is his "foreign policy experience" which comes from his long tenure on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of which he is now chairman. Whether that really counts as foreign policy experience is debatable. It mostly involves voting on treaties, not the kind of hands-on foreign policy decision making you get as Secretary of State or even as an ambassador. It is from this position that Biden supported bombing the Balkans, arming Muslim rebels in Bosnia, attacks on Libya, and from which he helped recruit bipartisan support for President Bush's invasion of Iraq. Without Biden on his side, Bush might very well have been unable to get enough support to launch the invasion. That's a very strange background for running with Obama, who has made opposition to the war such a central part of his qualifications for the Democratic nomination.

All of this is without even considering Biden's personal shortcomings: his temper, his egotism, his history of making incredibly stupid public statements, and his open hostility to Obama during the primary campaign. These are issues we don't even need to consider here, because the media and the blogosphere are going to have a field day with them in the next few weeks. Be prepared to hear more than you want to about Biden's IQ, lies about his college record, calling Obama 'clean', and plagiarism. Maybe the plan is to distract the media from Obama's shortcomings by letting them beat up on Biden, but that seems awfully risky.

The only reason to pick Biden is to compensate for Obama's weaknesses, but doing so may be a mistake, because it is such a blatant admission that Obama is not adequately qualified for the job he's running for. Picking Biden shows a fundamental weakness in his campaign and his convictions. Rather than reassuring supporters and widening his base within his own party with a choice like Evan Bayh, he's pandering to centrists and compromising his principles with a running mate whose only assets make his selection an admission of inadequacy and insecurity from Obama.

Obama really is like a drowning man, flailing around for something to keep him afloat, but instead of grabbing a timber or a life preserver, when his desperate grasp hit on Biden he found an anchor which will take him straight to the bottom of the ocean.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/08/...ent-742224

[BIRD33]

1.I'm only worried about state to state polls.National doesnt matter anymore.As long as he's leading in swing states he needs is all that matters.

2.I stopped reading the long paragraph after calling Obama stupid for picking a senator to be his vp.Thats a joke.Anyone touting that at this point is grasping for straws.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

1.I'm only worried about state to state polls.National doesnt matter anymore.As long as he's leading in swing states he needs is all that matters.

2.I stopped reading the long paragraph after calling Obama stupid for picking a senator to be his vp.Thats a joke.Anyone touting that at this point is grasping for straws.

Well don't you find it interesting that no Senator has won the presidency since JFK? I mean, if nothing else, that is pretty interesting. I bet that most people wouldn't have guessed that.

It is surprising to me how easy the American people can get buffaloed in an election, and yet they have sense enough to know that most Senators can't get anything done without playing the politics of trading votes and favors. They favor governors that have to run a state or businessmen that have to run a business or military men that have to perform in duty.

[BIRD33]

Well don't you find it interesting that no Senator has won the presidency since JFK? I mean, if nothing else, that is pretty interesting. I bet that most people wouldn't have guessed that.

It is surprising to me how easy the American people can get buffaloed in an election, and yet they have sense enough to know that most Senators can't get anything done without playing the politics of trading votes and favors. They favor governors that have to run a state or businessmen that have to run a business or military men that have to perform in duty.

I knew it.It's one of those fun facts that comes up every election year.It's a meaningless stat.

I don't think people give a shit about who is a senator or who isnt or even know the difference between a congressman or a senator.They are voting for the man not the office he holds.Try to find a senator that ran for president that should have won but didnt.My guess is all those that ran werent that impressive.

[cLaY]

Black man has never one the presidency either...take that Obama!

Tired crap.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I knew it.It's one of those fun facts that comes up every election year.It's a meaningless stat.

I don't think people give a shit about who is a senator or who isnt or even know the difference between a congressman or a senator.They are voting for the man not the office he holds.Try to find a senator that ran for president that should have won but didnt.My guess is all those that ran werent that impressive.

Hmm....I think there might be more to it. Tons of senators, Biden included, have run for president. They just never make it to the primaries. Its a pretty interesting fact.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Okay, guys! Do you think this is merely a coincidence? I think not.

[BIRD33]

I saw that.How fucking hilarious is fox news?Is there any other answer besides coincidence?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I saw that.How fucking hilarious is fox news?Is there any other answer besides coincidence?

:lool: The next three months should be pretty hilarious.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I saw that.How fucking hilarious is fox news?Is there any other answer besides coincidence?

I wonder if his "people" gave that any thought. Like a woman thinking about what her name would be if she married a certain guy. Or a dad picking out a baby name and wondering what the other kids will turn it into.

Like Mr. Tracks having his wife say, "Honey, how about Peter if its a boy"?

[snarg]

fox news, what a fucking joke
we need to get bonky over here
get on it, boss

[Anhil8tor]

I'm 100% convinced this election will be decided one week before voting.

[BIRD33]

I'm 100% convinced this election will be decided one week before voting.

I'm not.There are huge difference between the two candidates.If it takes a week before the election to decide what side of the fence you're on then what have you been doing for the last 8 months?

Of course some bombshell about either guy could come out but I doubt it will take that long.