[BIRD33]

No, he buys old houses and cleans them up a little and rents them out.

Thats a business.Thats different than what we are talking about with mcain don't you think?Mccain can't remember how many house he has but he is in touch with regular peoples problems with the housing crisis?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Never elected?Come on man.The GOP candidate he was running against who Obama was leading in polls had to drop out because of a sex scandal.He was married to that chick who played 7 of 9 on one of the new star treks, she's smoking hot.They got divorced and she alleged that he tried to force her into group sex at swingers clubs.Obama would have beat him anyway and the GOP is so pathetic they ran Allan Keyes against him even though he's a resident of Florida.

I heard that the front runner in the election had to drop out (probably because of what you are saying).

Then I heard that there were several others still in the race and Obama got two of them tossed out because he had his campaign scrutinize their petitions and found that some of the names were forged or counted double or something. The point whoever it was reporting this was trying to make was that even though Obama had the frontrunner drop out, he still got the other candidates kicked out of the race and by election time he was the only one running.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Thats a business.Thats different than what we are talking about with mcain don't you think?Mccain can't remember how many house he has but he is in touch with regulars peoples problems with the housing crisis?

I don't know how many pick up trucks that I own, but I am in touch with how expensive trucks are and how much fuel prices are. I'm probably more in touch with that then most people.

[BIRD33]

I heard that the front runner in the election had to drop out (probably because of what you are saying).

Then I heard that there were several others still in the race and Obama got two of them tossed out because he had his campaign scrutinize their petitions and found that some of the names were forged or counted double or something. The point whoever it was reporting this was trying to make was that even though Obama had the frontrunner drop out, he still got the other candidates kicked out of the race and by election time he was the only one running.

100% not true.They had nobody interested in running but Allen Keyes.Prove me wrong.

[Anhil8tor]

100% not true.They had nobody interested in running but Allen Keyes.Prove me wrong.

guy on the radio said the same thing. he said Obamas people were there everyday discrediting signatures and Obama walked in without an election.

[BIRD33]

I don't know how many pick up trucks that I own, but I am in touch with how expensive trucks are and how much fuel prices are. I'm probably more in touch with that then most people.

You own them for a business right?Thats not the same as some guy who married a rich chick pretending that he feels the pain of people losing their houses when he can't recall how many he owns himself.Its not how many ties you own its how many houses he owns for christ sake.

[BIRD33]

How fucking weird are you that you are married to this chick and want to share her with other dudes?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

You own them for a business right?Thats not the same as some guy who married a rich chick pretending that he feels the pain of people losing their houses when he can't recall how many he owns himself.Its not how many ties you own its how many houses he owns for christ sake.

A lot of the trucks that I own are worth more than a lot of people's houses. I don't own any ties that are worth more than a house.

If my wife was running for something she wouldn't know how many trucks we own (me and her, since we are married). She couldn't tell you if it was more than 10 or less than 100. But she is in touch with what cars cost and how much it costs to drive them. She plans her work day around traffic so that she isn't wasting gas getting back and forth to work.

[BIRD33]

A lot of the trucks that I own are worth more than a lot of people's houses. I don't own any ties that are worth more than a house.

If my wife was running for something she wouldn't know how many trucks we own (me and her, since we are married). She couldn't tell you if it was more than 10 or less than 100. But she is in touch with what cars cost and how much it costs to drive them. She plans her work day around traffic so that she isn't wasting gas getting back and forth to work.

Exactly my point.Its a fucking house and you should have an idea.Keep in mind Mccain said he thought the # was 4, it turned out to be 10.He's clueless as to his own finances but we should trust him to fix the economy?

If your wife was running for school board president and your kid was truant 100 days of the school year that would speak to her ability to serve if elected, correct?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Exactly my point.Its a fucking house and you should have an idea.Keep in mind Mccain said he thought the # was 4, it turned out to be 10.He's clueless as to his own finances but we should trust him to fix the economy?

If your wife was running for school board president and your kid was truant 100 days of the school year that would speak to her ability to serve if elected, correct?

The guy is worth $100 million (mostly due to his wife). Do you really think that owning 10 houses is that big of a stretch for someone with $100 million? I have no idea what kind of dots you are trying to connect, but I think you are reading way more into this than it is worth.

Maybe he didn't want to say how many houses he had because he was afraid giving the wrong answer would be worse than giving no answer. Maybe some of the houses are owned but leased out to charities or some other complicated philanthropic purpose and he didn't even know that his wife's charity even owned them. This question could be much deeper and complex than you know, but regardless, I don't think that it leads to the sinister conclusion that you are trying to connect it to.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I made an offer on a house a few days ago while my wife was in Hawaii. She didn't even know until she got home several days later. I don't even know if the bank accepted my offer yet (I do know I was the high bid). It was a foreclosure. My sister is going to fix it up and flip it and we are going to split the profit if there is any.

[BIRD33]

The guy is worth $100 million (mostly due to his wife). Do you really think that owning 10 houses is that big of a stretch for someone with $100 million? I have no idea what kind of dots you are trying to connect, but I think you are reading way more into this than it is worth.

Maybe he didn't want to say how many houses he had because he was afraid giving the wrong answer would be worse than giving no answer. Maybe some of the houses are owned but leased out to charities or some other complicated philanthropic purpose and he didn't even know that his wife's charity even owned them. This question could be much deeper and complex than you know, but regardless, I don't think that it leads to the sinister conclusion that you are trying to connect it to.

I have no problem with him owning 10 houses, more power to him.What I have a problem with is a guy who acts like he's in touch with regular americans problems not having a clue how many houses he owns.Thats kind of a big deal to people who are having their houses taken from them by banks.

He wasnt afraid to give an answer, he flat out didnt know.He even gave the wrong answer of 4 when he thought about it.

Did you watch that video I posted?There isnt any complicated philanthropic issue.He owns 3 (three!) beachfront properties in California, a huge ranch in Arizona, three other houses in Arizona, two condos in Phoenix, one condo in DC and one rental property in Phoenix.

You see they are trying to paint Obama as an elitist and out of touch with regular Americans.Mccain is the one out of touch.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I have no problem with him owning 10 houses, more power to him.What I have a problem with is a guy who acts like he's in touch with regular americans problems not having a clue how many houses he owns.Thats kind of a big deal to people who are having their houses taken from them by banks.

He wasnt afraid to give an answer, he flat out didnt know.He even gave the wrong answer of 4 when he thought about it.

Did you watch that video I posted?There isnt any complicated philanthropic issue.He owns 3 (three!) beachfront properties in California, a huge ranch in Arizona, three other houses in Arizona, two condos in Phoenix, one condo in DC and one rental property in Phoenix.

You see they are trying to paint Obama as an elitist and out of touch with regular Americans.Mccain is the one out of touch.

Well, to be honest, I have never figured out why they are trying to portray Obama as an elitist when John McCain is married to a female Bill Gates. I think its pretty stupid in today's political world for any candidate to try to portray themselves as personally in touch with the common problems of most people. I certainly think either or both of them can have empathy for people's problems today, but beyond that I think its a pretty tough sell for either of them.

[BIRD33]

Well, to be honest, I have never figured out why they are trying to portray Obama as an elitist when John McCain is married to a female Bill Gates. I think its pretty stupid in today's political world for any candidate to try to portray themselves as personally in touch with the common problems of most people. I certainly think either or both of them can have empathy for people's problems today, but beyond that I think its a pretty tough sell for either of them.

Why did they try to portray Kerry as a disgrace of a serviceman when Bush was AWOL from the national guard?The GOP doesnt let facts get in the way of a good story.

[cLaY]

what hick, bigot radio programe were you listening to, anhil9tor...Walton and Johnson in the morning? stick to what you know, sweet talking coach K, its what you're good at.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Why did they try to portray Kerry as a disgrace of a serviceman when Bush was AWOL from the national guard?The GOP doesnt let facts get in the way of a good story.

Yeah, I thought that was a crazy stretch, too. But it worked. When you see what things political machines will drum up to discredit another candidate you really begin to realize how lame the majority of the voters are.

And the biggest problem is that the really good material, they wait until so late in the race that there is no time to dispel the rumors before the election.

Like Hillary's "3 in the morning phone call" ads. Those were huge in Texas and Obama didn't have time to show how ridiculous they were until it was too late.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

From the Chicago Tribune:

The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.

"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...3097.story

[BIRD33]

Yeah, I thought that was a crazy stretch, too. But it worked. When you see what things political machines will drum up to discredit another candidate you really begin to realize how lame the majority of the voters are.

And the biggest problem is that the really good material, they wait until so late in the race that there is no time to dispel the rumors before the election.

Like Hillary's "3 in the morning phone call" ads. Those were huge in Texas and Obama didn't have time to show how ridiculous they were until it was too late.

Those 3 AM ad's werent spreading lies just asking a question.Lies during elections are the exclusive property of the GOP and most people like 8 are to dumb to realize they are getting played.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Those 3 AM ad's werent spreading lies just asking a question.Lies during elections are the exclusive property of the GOP and most people like 8 are to dumb to realize they are getting played.

I'm sort of surprised at how many people still think that Obama is some kind of closet muslim trying to take over our government on some kind of insurgent mission.

[BIRD33]

I'm sort of surprised at how many people still think that Obama is some kind of closet muslim trying to take over our government on some kind of insurgent mission.

I'm not.Its just code for "I ain't voting for any ni66er".