02-01-2008, 05:50 AM
cLaY Wrote:Barack had the better debate tonight...What happened to it?
Who said I had to make sense ?
So I was watching the State of the Union last night....
Who said I had to make sense ?
02-01-2008, 08:39 PM
Barak and Hillary looked like they were running for Prom King and Queen last night on the debates.
Someone is coaching them very closely to not destroy each other in the primaries. They sure were looking buddy/buddy. I hate politics.
Someone is coaching them very closely to not destroy each other in the primaries. They sure were looking buddy/buddy. I hate politics.
02-01-2008, 09:26 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
this is bullshit
Op-Ed Columnist
Seeing Red Over Hillary
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: January 30, 2008
Even newly armored by the spirit of Camelot, Barack Obama is still distressed by the sight of a certain damsel.
It’s already famous as The Snub, the moment before the State of the Union when Obama turned away to talk to Claire McCaskill instead of trying to join Teddy Kennedy in shaking hands with Hillary.
Nobody cared about W., whose presidency had crumpled into a belated concern about earmarks.
The only union that fascinated was Obama and Hillary, once more creeping around each other.
It would have been the natural thing for the Illinois senator, only hours after his emotional embrace by the Kennedys and an arena full of deliriously shrieking students, to follow the lead of Uncle Teddy and greet the rebuffed Hillary.
She was impossible to miss in the sea of dark suits and Supreme Court dark robes. Like Scarlett O’Hara after a public humiliation, Hillary showed up at the gathering wearing a defiant shade of red.
But the fact that he didn’t do so shows that Obama cannot hide how much the Clintons rattle him, and that he is still taking the race very personally.
On a flight to Kansas yesterday to collect another big endorsement, this one from Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, Obama said he was “surprised” by reports of The Snub.
“I was turning away because Claire asked me a question as Senator Kennedy was reaching forward,” he said. “Senator Clinton and I have had very cordial relations off the floor and on the floor. I waved at her as I was coming into the Senate chamber before we walked over last night. I think there is just a lot more tea leaf reading going on here than I think people are suggesting.”
But that answer is disingenuous. Their relations have been frosty and fraught ever since the young Chicago prince challenged Queen Hillary’s royal proclamation that it was her turn to rule.
Last winter, after news broke that he was thinking of running, he winked at her and took her elbow on the Senate floor to say hi, in his customary languid, friendly way, and she coldly brushed him off.
It bothered him, and he called a friend to say: You would not believe what just happened with Hillary.
Again and again at debates, he looked eager to greet her or be friendly during the evening and she iced him. She might have frozen him out once more Monday night had he actually tried to reach out.
But now Obama is like that cat Mark Twain wrote about who wouldn’t jump on the stove again for fear of being burned.
It was only after the distortions of the Clintons in South Carolina that he changed his tone and took on Hillary in a tough way in the debate there. Afterward, one of his advisers said that it was as though a dam had broken and Obama finally began using all the sharp lines against Hillary that strategists had been suggesting for months.
Why had it taken so long for Obama to push back against Hillary? “He respected her as a senator,” the adviser replied. “He even defended her privately when she cried, saying that no one knows how hard these campaigns are.”
But Obama’s outrage makes him seem a little jejune. He is surely the only person in the country who was surprised when the Clintons teamed up to dissemble and smear when confronted with an impediment to their ambitions.
Knowing that it helped her when Obama seemed to be surly with her during the New Hampshire debate, telling her without looking up from his notes that she was “likable enough” — another instance of Obama not being able to hide his bruised feelings — Hillary went on ABC News last night to insinuate that he was rude Monday.
“Well, I reached my hand out in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out,” she said, lapsing back into the dissed-woman mode. “And I look forward to shaking his hand sometime soon.”
Something’s being stretched here, but it’s not her hand. She wasn’t reaching out to him at all.
The New York State chapter of NOW issued an absurd statement on Monday calling Teddy Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama “the ultimate betrayal”: “He’s picked the new guy over us.”
But Obama is the more emotionally delicate candidate, and the one who has the more feminine consensus management style, and the not-blinded-by-testosterone ability to object to a phony war.
As first lady, Alpha Hillary’s abrasive and secretive management of health care doomed it. She voted to enable W. on Iraq so she could run as someone tough enough to command armies.
Given her brazen quote to ABC News, Obama is right to be scared of Hillary. He just needs to learn that Uncle Teddy can’t fight all his fights, and that a little chivalry goes a long way.
this is bullshit
Op-Ed Columnist
Seeing Red Over Hillary
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: January 30, 2008
Even newly armored by the spirit of Camelot, Barack Obama is still distressed by the sight of a certain damsel.
It’s already famous as The Snub, the moment before the State of the Union when Obama turned away to talk to Claire McCaskill instead of trying to join Teddy Kennedy in shaking hands with Hillary.
Nobody cared about W., whose presidency had crumpled into a belated concern about earmarks.
The only union that fascinated was Obama and Hillary, once more creeping around each other.
It would have been the natural thing for the Illinois senator, only hours after his emotional embrace by the Kennedys and an arena full of deliriously shrieking students, to follow the lead of Uncle Teddy and greet the rebuffed Hillary.
She was impossible to miss in the sea of dark suits and Supreme Court dark robes. Like Scarlett O’Hara after a public humiliation, Hillary showed up at the gathering wearing a defiant shade of red.
But the fact that he didn’t do so shows that Obama cannot hide how much the Clintons rattle him, and that he is still taking the race very personally.
On a flight to Kansas yesterday to collect another big endorsement, this one from Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, Obama said he was “surprised” by reports of The Snub.
“I was turning away because Claire asked me a question as Senator Kennedy was reaching forward,” he said. “Senator Clinton and I have had very cordial relations off the floor and on the floor. I waved at her as I was coming into the Senate chamber before we walked over last night. I think there is just a lot more tea leaf reading going on here than I think people are suggesting.”
But that answer is disingenuous. Their relations have been frosty and fraught ever since the young Chicago prince challenged Queen Hillary’s royal proclamation that it was her turn to rule.
Last winter, after news broke that he was thinking of running, he winked at her and took her elbow on the Senate floor to say hi, in his customary languid, friendly way, and she coldly brushed him off.
It bothered him, and he called a friend to say: You would not believe what just happened with Hillary.
Again and again at debates, he looked eager to greet her or be friendly during the evening and she iced him. She might have frozen him out once more Monday night had he actually tried to reach out.
But now Obama is like that cat Mark Twain wrote about who wouldn’t jump on the stove again for fear of being burned.
It was only after the distortions of the Clintons in South Carolina that he changed his tone and took on Hillary in a tough way in the debate there. Afterward, one of his advisers said that it was as though a dam had broken and Obama finally began using all the sharp lines against Hillary that strategists had been suggesting for months.
Why had it taken so long for Obama to push back against Hillary? “He respected her as a senator,” the adviser replied. “He even defended her privately when she cried, saying that no one knows how hard these campaigns are.”
But Obama’s outrage makes him seem a little jejune. He is surely the only person in the country who was surprised when the Clintons teamed up to dissemble and smear when confronted with an impediment to their ambitions.
Knowing that it helped her when Obama seemed to be surly with her during the New Hampshire debate, telling her without looking up from his notes that she was “likable enough” — another instance of Obama not being able to hide his bruised feelings — Hillary went on ABC News last night to insinuate that he was rude Monday.
“Well, I reached my hand out in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out,” she said, lapsing back into the dissed-woman mode. “And I look forward to shaking his hand sometime soon.”
Something’s being stretched here, but it’s not her hand. She wasn’t reaching out to him at all.
The New York State chapter of NOW issued an absurd statement on Monday calling Teddy Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama “the ultimate betrayal”: “He’s picked the new guy over us.”
But Obama is the more emotionally delicate candidate, and the one who has the more feminine consensus management style, and the not-blinded-by-testosterone ability to object to a phony war.
As first lady, Alpha Hillary’s abrasive and secretive management of health care doomed it. She voted to enable W. on Iraq so she could run as someone tough enough to command armies.
Given her brazen quote to ABC News, Obama is right to be scared of Hillary. He just needs to learn that Uncle Teddy can’t fight all his fights, and that a little chivalry goes a long way.
I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk. A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind. A need to return to genuine practice, right effort. Need to push on the great doubt. Need for the spirit. Hang on to the clear light.
Thomas Merton
02-01-2008, 09:26 PM
snarg Wrote:^^^^^^^^^^Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.
this is bullshit
Op-Ed Columnist
Seeing Red Over Hillary
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: January 30, 2008
Even newly armored by the spirit of Camelot, Barack Obama is still distressed by the sight of a certain damsel.
It’s already famous as The Snub, the moment before the State of the Union when Obama turned away to talk to Claire McCaskill instead of trying to join Teddy Kennedy in shaking hands with Hillary.
Nobody cared about W., whose presidency had crumpled into a belated concern about earmarks.
The only union that fascinated was Obama and Hillary, once more creeping around each other.
It would have been the natural thing for the Illinois senator, only hours after his emotional embrace by the Kennedys and an arena full of deliriously shrieking students, to follow the lead of Uncle Teddy and greet the rebuffed Hillary.
She was impossible to miss in the sea of dark suits and Supreme Court dark robes. Like Scarlett O’Hara after a public humiliation, Hillary showed up at the gathering wearing a defiant shade of red.
But the fact that he didn’t do so shows that Obama cannot hide how much the Clintons rattle him, and that he is still taking the race very personally.
On a flight to Kansas yesterday to collect another big endorsement, this one from Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, Obama said he was “surprised” by reports of The Snub.
“I was turning away because Claire asked me a question as Senator Kennedy was reaching forward,” he said. “Senator Clinton and I have had very cordial relations off the floor and on the floor. I waved at her as I was coming into the Senate chamber before we walked over last night. I think there is just a lot more tea leaf reading going on here than I think people are suggesting.”
But that answer is disingenuous. Their relations have been frosty and fraught ever since the young Chicago prince challenged Queen Hillary’s royal proclamation that it was her turn to rule.
Last winter, after news broke that he was thinking of running, he winked at her and took her elbow on the Senate floor to say hi, in his customary languid, friendly way, and she coldly brushed him off.
It bothered him, and he called a friend to say: You would not believe what just happened with Hillary.
Again and again at debates, he looked eager to greet her or be friendly during the evening and she iced him. She might have frozen him out once more Monday night had he actually tried to reach out.
But now Obama is like that cat Mark Twain wrote about who wouldn’t jump on the stove again for fear of being burned.
It was only after the distortions of the Clintons in South Carolina that he changed his tone and took on Hillary in a tough way in the debate there. Afterward, one of his advisers said that it was as though a dam had broken and Obama finally began using all the sharp lines against Hillary that strategists had been suggesting for months.
Why had it taken so long for Obama to push back against Hillary? “He respected her as a senator,” the adviser replied. “He even defended her privately when she cried, saying that no one knows how hard these campaigns are.”
But Obama’s outrage makes him seem a little jejune. He is surely the only person in the country who was surprised when the Clintons teamed up to dissemble and smear when confronted with an impediment to their ambitions.
Knowing that it helped her when Obama seemed to be surly with her during the New Hampshire debate, telling her without looking up from his notes that she was “likable enough” — another instance of Obama not being able to hide his bruised feelings — Hillary went on ABC News last night to insinuate that he was rude Monday.
“Well, I reached my hand out in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out,” she said, lapsing back into the dissed-woman mode. “And I look forward to shaking his hand sometime soon.”
Something’s being stretched here, but it’s not her hand. She wasn’t reaching out to him at all.
The New York State chapter of NOW issued an absurd statement on Monday calling Teddy Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama “the ultimate betrayal”: “He’s picked the new guy over us.”
But Obama is the more emotionally delicate candidate, and the one who has the more feminine consensus management style, and the not-blinded-by-testosterone ability to object to a phony war.
As first lady, Alpha Hillary’s abrasive and secretive management of health care doomed it. She voted to enable W. on Iraq so she could run as someone tough enough to command armies.
Given her brazen quote to ABC News, Obama is right to be scared of Hillary. He just needs to learn that Uncle Teddy can’t fight all his fights, and that a little chivalry goes a long way.
Who said I had to make sense ?
02-01-2008, 09:29 PM
Sassy Wrote:Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.
is flump using sassy's login now
cratch:
I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk. A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind. A need to return to genuine practice, right effort. Need to push on the great doubt. Need for the spirit. Hang on to the clear light.
Thomas Merton
02-01-2008, 11:05 PM
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Barak and Hillary looked like they were running for Prom King and Queen last night on the debates.
Someone is coaching them very closely to not destroy each other in the primaries. They sure were looking buddy/buddy. I hate politics.
Nobody wants to blow it before Tuesday.
That snub was overblown.What are they supposed to do make out?If Obama was running against another guy do you think they'd ask him how did it feel when he didnt shake your hand?
See You In Toledo
02-01-2008, 11:13 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:Nobody wants to blow it before Tuesday.
That snub was overblown.What are they supposed to do make out?If Obama was running against another guy do you think they'd ask him how did it feel when he didnt shake your hand?
I remember when Clayton Williams was running for Tex Governor against Ann Richards. Their campaigns got rough, with lots of mudslinging. Anyway, they both ended up at some dinner or something during the campaign and she tried to shake her hand and he turned away. Man, that's all we heard about after that. Seriously, that was so friggin huge.
02-01-2008, 11:17 PM
I think its the guy snubbing the chick dynamic that gets people riled up, when its guy on guy action you are ok with them hating each other.
See You In Toledo
02-01-2008, 11:21 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:Nobody wants to blow it before Tuesday.
That snub was overblown.What are they supposed to do make out?If Obama was running against another guy do you think they'd ask him how did it feel when he didnt shake your hand?
i'm afraid all the dumbing down to get your points across has cost you your edge
the snub was underblown
if you are not reading dowd, you are missing out
i unnerstand that subtle is not so much for IT, but expect more from our resident maven
I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk. A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind. A need to return to genuine practice, right effort. Need to push on the great doubt. Need for the spirit. Hang on to the clear light.
Thomas Merton
02-01-2008, 11:25 PM
snarg Wrote:i'm afraid all the dumbing down to get your points across has cost you your edge
the snub was underblown
if you are not reading dowd, you are missing out
i unnerstand that subtle is not so much for IT, but expect more from our resident maven
its obviously apparent that his transparency is now obvious.
the feathered fag is not without what he needs to have
for that the message is subtly obvious to even the ones that can't see it.
i cannot figger out why he sees it not, but it will happen
02-01-2008, 11:34 PM
snarg Wrote:i'm afraid all the dumbing down to get your points across has cost you your edge
the snub was underblown
if you are not reading dowd, you are missing out
i unnerstand that subtle is not so much for IT, but expect more from our resident maven
I think dowd is oveerated.
Snarg if a guy candidate snubbed another guy candidate would there be this uproar?Maybe it matters for women but it wasnt like she stuck her hand out and Obama refused and he pratically hugged her last night so I don't think its a big deal.
I call it like I see it snarg.
See You In Toledo
02-01-2008, 11:36 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:when its guy on guy action you are ok with them hating each other.
Like, rough?
cLaY Wrote:Knick-Knack Paddy's Whack, suckin' TF's Bone...
BIRD33 Wrote:You know who would be hilarious in a thread with this type of situation going on?Paddy.
BIRD33 Wrote:I was battling with the mods just like everyone else.
02-01-2008, 11:39 PM
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Barak and Hillary looked like they were running for Prom King and Queen last night on the debates.
Someone is coaching them very closely to not destroy each other in the primaries. They sure were looking buddy/buddy. I hate politics.
Still thinking neither one will win in a million years?
02-01-2008, 11:41 PM
BIRD33 Wrote:I think dowd is oveerated.
Snarg if a guy candidate snubbed another guy candidate would there be this uproar?Maybe it matters for women but it wasnt like she stuck her hand out and Obama refused and he pratically hugged her last night so I don't think its a big deal.
I call it like I see it snarg.
it was no big deal, fucking hell, candidates are not friends
and she was not trying to shake hands
it is all spin, does anyone think anything different
fucking simpletons, i tell ya (sup nboy?)
baaaaaaaaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
where are all the sheep
sin
joe c.
I realise that I have a past to break with--an accumulation of inertia, wrong, foolishness, rot, junk. A great need of clarification, of mindfulness, or rather, of no mind. A need to return to genuine practice, right effort. Need to push on the great doubt. Need for the spirit. Hang on to the clear light.
Thomas Merton
02-01-2008, 11:43 PM
Banana Wrote:Still thinking neither one will win in a million years?
its getting kind of scary.
02-01-2008, 11:44 PM
snarg Wrote:it was no big deal, fucking hell, candidates are not friends
and she was not trying to shake hands
it is all spin, does anyone think anything different
fucking simpletons, i tell ya (sup nboy?)
baaaaaaaaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
where are all the sheep
sin
joe c.
At worst it pushed women leaning Clinton to fully support her now.I think most guys probably chuckled on the inside when they heard about it.
See You In Toledo
02-01-2008, 11:44 PM
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:its getting kind of scary.
I'd like a yes or no, so I can decide if to put this in the HOF.
02-01-2008, 11:45 PM
If we're putting evey political thread where Flumper said something stupid in the HOF it will be 10 pages long.
See You In Toledo
02-01-2008, 11:48 PM
Banana Wrote:I'd like a yes or no, so I can decide if to put this in the HOF.
Well, obviously one of them is going to win the democratic nomination.
Now, thinking as a republican and hoping a republican can win in an election that no republican can have a chance, I have to think this is a really good thing. Probably more if Hillary wins the nomination, but either way, having one of those two is the best the Republicans could have hoped to be running against.
And its looking like it will be McCain running against them. I'm not sure if McCain can sling enough mud to beat either one of them.
So, I think the chances that one of them will be the next president are 60:40 right now.
02-01-2008, 11:48 PM
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Well, obviously one of them is going to win the democratic nomination.Well that's okay.
Now, thinking as a republican and hoping a republican can win in an election that no republican can have a chance, I have to think this is a really good thing. Probably more if Hillary wins the nomination, but either way, having one of those two is the best the Republicans could have hoped to be running against.
And its looking like it will be McCain running against them. I'm not sure if McCain can sling enough mud to beat either one of them.
So, I think the chances that one of them will be the next president are 60:40 right now.
What makes it so obvious? One what?Why now? I think thinking as a republican and hoping a republican can win in an election that no republican can have a chance he or she have to think this is more than that.
You seem uncertain. You want more?I think you mean "it's" or "it is" not "its". Who said
looking like it will be McCain running against them is?Could you ever be certain? That is a hypothetical question.At this moment Blimey. Since when?
Tell me more.
Who said I had to make sense ?
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