[BIRD33]

Out of 85 employees, I have about 15 or 20 that are going to work Monday.

Did they ask or tell you?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Did they ask or tell you?

It was kind of strange. I asked one of the foreman last week what he thought the guys wanted to do on May 1. He said, "well, i'm not sure. i think they are going to want to stay home, but they wanted to know what you thought" I told him I would support it either way. Its one day. If they think they are making some big point, then I'll support them.

I told him I had thought about paying them 4 hours if they don't show up, and regular wages if they do (some need the money more than supporting the cause). He said, "No, don't pay them. If they don't want to come in, that's enough.".

So, then I started getting other crews calling in. Asking if they would be fired if they didn't come in. I told them, "Not to worry. It is their decision, and I'm behind it either way. Makes me no difference."

Now, I have one crew that is working, and a few others that are going to come in and clean up the shop and work in the yard.

I really don't think they are going to make the point they are hoping for. We'll survive the day. They'll shop on Tuesday instead. They'll have less money in their pocket. And at the end of the week, they are going to wonder what was accomplished.

As far as whether they would have showed up if I had told them they had to, I don't know. I would like to think they would have. I do know some companies that are doing that. I think they are going to win the battle and lose the war with that strategy.

[paybacksare]

I think I'm going to skip work on Monday and really freak my company out.

[BIRD33]

I think the point will be made in the bigger cities.

[SanDog]

I think the point will be made in the bigger cities.

I don't think it is going to make much a difference at all.

[BIRD33]

I don't think it is going to make much a difference at all.

In New York its going to disrupt some things.If half of them become citizens they will remember who supported them.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

If half of them become citizens they will remember who supported them.

That's what I'm betting on.

[BIRD33]

That's what I'm betting on.

I'd do the same thing if I was you.Its only one day.

[Tribal Dragon]

I'm pretty sure this is all going to backfire and make things worse for the illegals.

[Jdub]

I'm pretty sure this is all going to backfire and make things worse for the illegals.

I live in a town that is probably 30 - 40 percent mexican, and I am pretty sure most of them are illegal. If they were all deported, it would destroy this town, but I fucking hate this place anyway, so FUCK 'EM!!

[Tribal Dragon]

I live in a town that is probably 30 - 40 percent mexican, and I am pretty sure most of them are illegal. If they were all deported, it would destroy this town, but I fucking hate this place anyway, so FUCK 'EM!!

Agreed.

My dad is a legal immigrant, and granting amnesty to 10-20 million people is a slap in the face to anyone that does it the right way.

[Jdub]

I am tolerant to all races, so that is not the problem, but look at the areas in which they live. They are usually run-down apartment complexes with 10 - 15 of them living in 1 unit. And then you have the whole gang thing, MS13, and etc. That's just fucking beautiful!! LOL I love to walk through the mall on Saturday night with my family and see these little bastards hanging out, looking like they want to jump on the first person they see. Damn, I love being 6'3 & 235 lbs. just for that reason alone. I know, I seem a little pissed today, but that's because it's been a very shitty fucking week. I don't have a problem with people coming over here to work and contribute to society, but fucking speak english instead of hiding behind the fact that you are too fucking lazy to learn it. I think we should all say "Fuck It" and let them come to America. We'll fucking go to Mexico. Just trade places if they want it that bad. They have better coastlines anyway!!

[BIRD33]

Agreed.

My dad is a legal immigrant, and granting amnesty to 10-20 million people is a slap in the face to anyone that does it the right way.

Slap in the face how?

[Jdub]

http://www.wehategringos.com/

Fuck Em!!

[Tribal Dragon]

Slap in the face how?

It takes years for many people to do it the right way. My dad was fluent in English within 6 months. There are many people here now that don't want to learn, or become a part of our culture. They wish to change it, or have us cater to them. I don't want the U.S. to turn into the third world countries they came from.

For me it isn't a race issue either. If there were 12 million Turks that invaded the US, I'd want them gone as well.

Eligibility for naturalization

To become a naturalized United States citizen, one must be 18 years of age at the time of filing, a legal permanent resident (LPR) of the United States, and have resided as a LPR in the United States for five years less 90 days before they apply (this requirement is reduced to three years less 90 days if they (a) acquired legal permanent resident status through marriage to a U.S. Citizen, and (b) have remained married to and living with that citizen since their marriage). They must have been physically present for at least 30 months of 60 months prior to the date of filing their application. Also during those 60 months if the LPR was outside of the U.S. for a continuous period of 6 months or more they are disqualified from naturalizing (certain exceptions apply for those continuous periods of six months to 1 year). They must be a "person of good moral character", and must pass a test on United States history and government. Most applicants must also have a working knowledge of the English language (there are exceptions for long-resident older applicants and those with mental or physical disabilities), although this requirement is not intended to be an onerous one, since the test requires that they read and write simple sentences in English, such as "The United States is a democracy". However, some applicants fail the language and civics tests, and others are deterred from applying for naturalization by virtue of the test requirement.

[Tribal Dragon]

Reconquista: Taking back the American Southwest
April 28, 2006
Greg Strange

What if there was a reconquista and Americans didn’t notice until it was too late? It was all moving along quite swimmingly before the recent immigration rallies when most Americans wouldn’t have known a reconquista from a chimichanga. But the word is out thanks to those rallies where hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Hispanics filled American streets waving Mexican flags, displaying insulting banners and making incredibly brazen demands of the country.

For anyone who hasn’t been paying attention, the reconquista is a radical movement calling for Mexico to “reconquer” America’s Southwest, which proponents claim is land that was stolen from Mexico. But that’s not all. Reconquista propaganda also claims that the “stolen” land happens to sit on the territory of the ancient “Nation of Aztlan,” which was supposedly the cradle of Aztec civilization.

Hmm, that’s odd. I’m looking at a World Book Encyclopedia map of the Aztec empire as it existed at the height of its power and it was totally confined to parts of southern Mexico, hundreds and hundreds of miles south of the Mexican-American border. Looks like this Aztlan thing can be dismissed out of hand as the nonsensical poppycock that it is.

And even if Aztlan had been real and had stretched from Cancun to Spokane, so what? The only argument that could possibly advance would be to give it all back to the Aztecs, an even more ridiculous notion.

But forget about Aztlan. Let’s get back to the idea that the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico. Balderdash! The United States didn’t unjustly steal land from Mexico. Rather, land was legally ceded to the United States by Mexico through the Treaty of Guadalupe de Hidalgo which ended the Mexican-American War in 1848.

Yes, the United States won that war and you could say that California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas were the spoils of war, but that doesn’t make it unjust. It certainly wasn’t unjust for the people who lived in those lands because it saved them from being a part of the eternally corrupt, unstable, poverty-ridden country of Mexico.

But that undeniable fact doesn’t mean squat to the illegals and illegal sympathizers who were displaying this popular banner during the recent immigration rallies: “If you think I’m ‘illegal’ because I’m a Mexican, learn the true history because I’m in my homeland.”

So sorry, señor, but no you’re not. And here’s the main thing you need to realize. If the American Southwest had stayed a part of Mexico, then you’d be trying to slip into the American Midwest, or the American Southeast, or the American Northeast, or the Pacific Northwest, or the Mid-Atlantic, or the Rocky Mountain West, or the Great Basin, or the Northern Plains, or anywhere other than the “homeland” you’re now making claim to. That’s because if the American Southwest had stayed a part of Mexico, then it would be just as miserable as the rest of that country.

See, it wasn’t some sort of natural, Edenic utopia where the living was intrinsically easy and the type of governance didn’t matter. The reason the American Southwest is prosperous is because it is part of America and not part of Mexico. America has the kind of political, social and economic system that generates prosperity. Mexico, on the other hand, doesn’t. Despite its beauty, vast natural resources and oil wealth, it’s a miserable basket case of a country.

But the profoundly arrogant and ignorant marchers who carried banners like the one described above have zero interest in trying to fix what’s wrong with their real homeland. It’s so much easier to just sneak into a large successful country to the north than it is to hang around and try to turn Mexico into a decent place.

So, the justification for the desired reconquista is a crock, and an illogical one at that. Nonetheless, it could still happen simply as a result of demographic trends. As Jose Angel Gutierrez, political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, has so aptly pointed out, “We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It’s a matter of time. The explosion is in our population.”

In other words, the fecund Hispanic masses are going to out-multiply the withering white masses and pull off a de facto reconquista, assuming current trends continue. It’s pretty cut and dry for the good professor who, by the way, doesn’t sound too broken up over the prospect of a dying white America.

White Americans who express the slightest anxiety over the continuation of such demographic trends or who ask their leaders to enforce the nation’s immigration laws will naturally be branded racists. Accusatory banners were all over the place during the demonstrations.

But in reality, the main concern isn’t over race, it’s over culture. If a demographic reconquista were to occur and if Hispanics fail to assimilate and Americanize themselves sufficiently, then the American Southwest becomes the cultural equivalent of northern Mexico and it ain’t racist to not want that to happen. Just ask the reconquista and open borders crowd to name a country in the world whose people would happily stand by and watch their culture be overrun by another.

The average illegal immigrant from Mexico probably doesn’t consider himself part of a vast reconquista conspiracy. He just wants a better life for himself and his family. But that doesn’t mean that he and half of Latin America should just be able to waltz across the border whenever they please.

If the day ever comes when Hispanics outnumber native-born Americans because of a demographic reconquista fueled largely by illegal immigration, will those Americans then be able to complain about their own stolen homeland? Sure, but not without being called racist.

[Tribal Dragon]

I meant that in jest. The common retort to anyone against ILLEGAL immigration is that that they are a racist. Does not matter your logical reasons for being against it. They will usually try to muddy the waters by convienently leaving the ILLEGAL part off as well.

These immigrants make up about 5% of the workforce. Their are plenty of teenagers and others that are unemployed or underemployed will do the lower wage jobs if that workforce is not present. Now, if the companies are paying too little, they will have to raise the pay. This will increase the cost of goods somewhat. However, the overall good for the economy will offset this. Not to mention that the ability for us to spend more money per student educating our own children will pay off dividends in the long run as well.
This is not just about health care, Bird. The ILLEGAL immigrants are a tremendous drain on our public resources, including schooling, public assistance, traffic and so on. This is not a problem all over the country, but it is a tremendous problem in the southwest.
This is not even mentioning that the majority of the wages the ILLEGAL immigrants are making is leaving our economy. They pay little in taxes, and consume as little as possible. This is a drain as well.

I have a pretty good feeling we are not going to convince each other that we are each right or wrong. We can do this all day long, each of us making our points.

I almost never agree with my hommie Sandog, but I have to lay down props to him on this post. This was $$$$$

[BIRD33]

I'm pretty sure working 18 hour days for 1\4 the minium wage for 10 years is harder than any citizenship test.

I love how you dumb fucks are acting like the immigrants really want to take back the soutwest.They make 2 cents an hour and you think they have some kind of master plan?Way to play the typical clueless xenophobic american.

[Jdub]

I'm pretty sure working 18 hour days for 1\4 the minium wage for 10 years is harder than any citizenship test.

I love how you dumb fucks are acting like the immigrants really want to take back the soutwest.They make 2 cents an hour and you think they have some kind of master plan?Way to play the typical clueless xenophobic american.

I just want to make it through a day w/o having to learn the Spanish Word Of The Day!!

[snarg]

congrejo!!!!