[cLaY]

I can remember watching the TV monday morning before I went to work. My wife was watching CNN and they were reporting on the storm making landfall. Initial reports was that it might not be too bad. I remember as I walked out the door, I told her "well give it about 3 hours and then Let the Looting Begin".

Why was it that there was so much looting after the Rodney King trial? Was it to get much needed supplies and because of the desperate times? No, it was because there were huge crowds in the streets that suddenly looked around and said to themselves, "Fuck there are a lot more of us than them".

Guess living in poverty will do that, what you can't buy...steal it. Being oppressed can have negative effects I'm sure.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

The problem is all the people and equipment that usually handle this shit are in Iraq.You've got alot of second bannana's making decisions with little heavy equipment and money to pull from.

No. What kind of "heavy" equipment do you need?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Guess living in poverty will do that, what you can't buy...steal it. Being oppressed can have negative effects I'm sure.

Oppress: to subject a person or a people to a harsh or cruel form of domination.

Are you serious?

[Paddy]

The Saints should play in Vegas this season.

[paybacksare]

I can remember watching the TV monday morning before I went to work. My wife was watching CNN and they were reporting on the storm making landfall. Initial reports was that it might not be too bad. I remember as I walked out the door, I told her "well give it about 3 hours and then Let the Looting Begin".

Why was it that there was so much looting after the Rodney King trial? Was it to get much needed supplies and because of the desperate times? No, it was because there were huge crowds in the streets that suddenly looked around and said to themselves, "Fuck there are a lot more of us than them".

I think you are greatly negating the impact that physical and emotional trauma has on people. Does that make the looting/rapes/shooting at National Guardsmen right? Hell no. And there are undoubtably a bunch of people down there who are criminals and would act like this no matter what.

But I still contend that the majority of the people are acting this way out of sheer desperation and stress that most of us can't even begin to fathom.

[Jdub]

I'm not being a smartass, but get all the rapists and murderers from jail to help with the cleanup. Let them earn back some of what they have taken from society.

[cLaY]

Oppress: to subject a person or a people to a harsh or cruel form of domination.

Are you serious?

Rodney King?

[Tribal Dragon]

Posted: 1:20 p.m. ET Thursday
CNN's Deborah Feyerick in Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Right now, the main priority is to restore order to New Orleans.

One official told us, "You can't rescue people when you're being shot at."

There are hundreds of people from the National Guard here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
We're seeing people from all the agencies. They're waiting to deploy.

1:20 the third day after the hurricane - and they're waiting to deploy?
People are dying, people are being murdered by gangs of thugs.
People could also be dying of thirst - right in the middle of America.

Dominos can get a pizza here in 30 minutes but the National Guard
needs more than three days to fly armed men into a disaster area?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I think you are greatly negating the impact that physical and emotional trauma has on people. Does that make the looting/rapes/shooting at National Guardsmen right? Hell no. And there are undoubtably a bunch of people down there who are criminals and would act like this no matter what.

But I still contend that the majority of the people are acting this way out of sheer desperation and stress that most of us can't even begin to fathom.

I very strongly disagree. The mothers that are crying for buses or the elderly that need medicine, the kids, etc. I agree, they are desperate and just want out. The guys wandering the streets with shopping carts and guns, no fucking way. Those guys are having their own personal mardi gras and are not fucking worried about one damn thing. The longer this goes on, the better they like it.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Rodney King?

They did the same thing after the OJ trail. Was he oppressed? Or how about the fans after the World Series? Name me a riot that has turned into looting and then show me how it ties back to desperation and oppression.

[cLaY]

They did the same thing after the OJ trail. Was he oppressed? Or how about the fans after the World Series? Name me a riot that has turned into looting and then show me how it ties back to desperation and oppression.

When cops resort to beating people for walking in front of them, i'd say they are being oppressed. This isn't always the case, and there's sides to both, but some cops believe that because they are given the authority to uphold order and given a weapon as a means of proving their authority, that gives them free will to decide at any time when they feel threatened...no questions asked. This is besides the point. Bottom line, there are desperate, hungery, angry, sick, dying, people down there, they need a safe place to recover...because for the past 5 fucking days they've been trying to survive why little to no help is there.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

When cops resort to beating people for walking in front of them, i'd say they are being oppressed. This isn't always the case, and there's sides to both, but some cops believe that because they are given the authority to uphold order and given a weapon as a means of proving their authority, that gives them free will to decide at any time when they feel threatened...no questions asked. This is besides the point. Bottom line, there are desperate, hungery, angry, sick, dying, people down there, they need a safe place to recover...because for the past 5 fucking days they've been trying to survive why little to no help is there.

That and there are free tv's right behind glass windows and no police around. Oh, and there is no crack to calm them down. And they need beer and there are no open stores to buy it or Red Cross to pass it out.

Why the fuck would a bunch of alcoholics or crack heads want to sit on a bus for 10 hours or sit in a convention center 24 hours a day when they know that the food line is not going to have any crack, beer, or wine?

And if you don't think that is a fact, then you've got your head in the sand.

[cLaY]

That and there are free tv's right behind glass windows and no police around. Oh, and there is no crack to calm them down. And they need beer and there are no open stores to buy it or Red Cross to pass it out.

Why the fuck would a bunch of alcoholics or crack heads want to sit on a bus for 10 hours or sit in a convention center 24 hours a day when they know that the food line is not going to have any crack, beer, or wine?

And if you don't think that is a fact, then you've got your head in the sand.

Its an assumption that isn't far off from reality. Bottom line, that's the least of the concerns they should be considering right now. Getting people out of there is, and they're not doing a good job.

[SanDog]

You don't need heavy equipment or soldiers. You need boats and busses. They are either there, or on the way. But wait, they don't want to go in because they are being shot at. Quit blaming the government.
Good points Flumper.

I found out about an hour ago from our local Red Cross (we are helping them out with some stuff) that they are getting ready to brind 10,000 of the refugees here.

Fuck. Whose idea was that?

[BIRD33]

Is a helicopter heavy equipment?Would a stream of army helicopters pulling people off roofs and dropping off supplies been helpful?Are alot of the Army corp guys with the euipment they use to fix problems across the world in Iraq?

[yellowdog]

NO is 70% African American and 30% impoverished. I'd like to see how the relief effort woulda gone if Katrina had hit in the Hamptons.

It does look like they're getting some relief out there today, though. Better late than never.

[SanDog]

Is a helicopter heavy equipment?Would a stream of army helicopters pulling people off roofs and dropping off supplies been helpful?Are alot of the Army corp guys with the euipment they use to fix problems across the world in Iraq?

Yeah, all the helicopters are in Iraq. Idiot.
We have stopped all construction here in the US since we started that war, too, so we have nothing to send to NO.
Don't be an asshole and make this about Iraq. There is plenty of equipment and people left. They are lininig up to help. Now a bunch of them are worried about getting shot, by the people they are trying to help.

Give the politics a rest.

[SanDog]

NO is 70% African American and 30% impoverished. I'd like to see how the relief effort woulda gone if Katrina had hit in the Hamptons.

It does look like they're getting some relief out there today, though. Better late than never.

All the people from NO would have headed north to loot the Hamptons.

[paybacksare]

All the people from NO would have headed north to loot the Hamptons.

Nah, I don't think there's a plethora of crack in the Hamptons.

[BIRD33]

You dont think resources are spread thin because of Iraq?So if we werent in Iraq the Feds still would have waited two days before calling up the national guard?Did the fact that we have 150,000 NG overseas make them more reluctent to do so?Its not all Bush's fault he cant control the weather but come on man this is a joke, its not like new orleans is the size of New York or Chicago.