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This is bullshit - Bill - 09-02-2005
By ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writer 33 minutes ago
"At the Superdome, group of refugees broke through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen in a scramble to get on to the buses. And about 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at the convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead, including at least seven bodies scattered outside the building. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.
"There's a lot of very sick people â elderly ones, infirm ones â who can't stand this heat, and there's a lot of children who don't have water and basic necessities to survive on," said Daniel Edwards, 47, outside the center. "We need to eat, or drink water at the very least."
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people."
Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said FEMA just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
By midmorning Friday, despite a constant buzzing of military helicopters overhead, there was still no sign of the relief to the tens of thousands lined up outside the convention center.
"I'm trying to keep hope alive, but slowly my hope is fading," said refugee Carl Clark. "Believe it or not, these people are human. Right now they're crowded like animals. They're trying to keep their dignity. ... I don't even know what the Red Cross looks like."
Raymond Whitfield, 51, watched a National Guard truck drive by the convention center, but like most other official vehicles, it did not stop.
"The National Guard just drives around and around. I know the police, the National Guard, they got generators, so they can sleep and eat," he said.
"Look at them," he said of the men inside the truck, "they're not even sweating."
"Everybody's on the edge right now," said 28-year-old Kenya Green. "Every day, it's `The bus is coming, The bus is coming,' but still nothing. ... They don't give us no information."
Conditions were dire at the Superdome as well. By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. Evacuees from across the city swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.
The flow of refugees to the Houston Astrodome was temporarily halted overnight after about 11,000 people had arrived â less than half the estimated 23,000 people expected.
"We've actually reached capacity for the safety and comfort of the people inside there," American Red Cross spokeswoman Dana Allen said. She said people were "packed pretty tight" on the floor.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced that Dallas would host 25,000 more refugees at Reunion Arena and 25,000 others would relocate to a San Antonio warehouse at KellyUSA, a city-owned complex that once was home to an Air Force base. Houston estimated as many as 55,000 people who fled the hurricane were staying in area hotels.
While floodwaters in New Orleans appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches in the levees that protect this bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, which is wedged between Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to the lake.
The chief of the Louisiana State Police said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers â many of whom from flooded areas â turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Col. Henry Whitehorn said.
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell â it's every man for himself.'"
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire had broken out.
Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.
"I'm a Christian," he said. "I feel bad going in there."
Hospitals struggled to evacuate critically ill patients who were dying for lack of oxygen, insulin or intravenous fluids. But when some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"
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This is bullshit - Bill - 09-02-2005
Here we have good tax paying citizens and babies dieing in the fucking street and I really don't feel like our federal government gives a shit. Those that remain in new orleans have become animals. Stop pussyfooting around and start reducing the gene pool. do what needs to be done and get these fucking people some help.
personally I'm half temped to load up the truck and trailer with suppies and ammunition and deliver them myself. If I was a survivor I would never pay taxes again. The american government has failed the people horribly and it is sadening.
This is bullshit - cLaY - 09-02-2005
Bill Wrote:personally I'm half temped to load up the truck and trailer with suppies and ammunition and deliver them myself. If I was a survivor I would never pay taxes again. The american government has failed the people horribly and it is sadening.
Here fucking here! If you were put in this same situation, what the fuck would you do? I'd go ape shit. So fucking sad, and I hope this goes down on G.W. I hope his punk ass is remembered for failing the citizens of N.O.
This is bullshit - Bill - 09-02-2005
cLaY Wrote:Here fucking here! If you were put in this same situation, what the fuck would you do? I'd go ape shit. So fucking sad, and I hope this goes down on G.W. I hope his punk ass is remembered for failing the citizens of N.O.
you know what it's not just GW it the whole fucking system. fuck by-partisanship. the more I read the sicker to my stomache I get.
This is bullshit - BIRD33 - 09-02-2005
The problem is all the people and equipment that usually handle this shit are in Iraq.You've got alot of second bannana's making decisions with little heavy equipment and money to pull from.
This is bullshit - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-02-2005
Look, aside from the relief effort, which is very confusing and consists of loosly organized groups that use volunteers that have to be mobilized.....
If you just talk about the damage of the hurricane itself. It seems to me, that if the levees had held, then the damage would have been rather minimal. Loss of electricity and communication probably being the worst. That could have been dealt with rather quickly.
But, worse than the storm itself, it seems to me the failure of the levees was the big problem. For one, they weren't tall enough, but they seemed to work at that height for the most part.
But, they were engineered so poorly, that they failed. That created the problem. Now, the sewer system doesn't work, everything is flooded, and getting in to fix any of the problems will take a long time.
When you start tossing blame around, the Corp of Engineers needs to step up. Those levees never had a chance. They were designed for a Cat 3 hurricane, and could not hold up that much water pressure, regardless of the height. I saw one of the Army Corp of Engineers in charge of the levee in an interview and he said they designed and constructed the levees for a Cat 3 based on a cost vs benefit analysis.
This is bullshit - BIRD33 - 09-02-2005
Nytimes-today
Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into action. "On Wednesday," said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., "reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics!"
This is bullshit - cLaY - 09-02-2005
The Corp can only do so much. They estimated that preparing the levees to withstand a hurricane like this one would cost 4 billion dollars. I'm quite sure the state tried and failed to get assistance from the fed's to get this taken care of but were never granted assistance. Pretty shitty considering they'll poor 10 Billion every 20 days to support whats left of the NO. Who do we blame for this? I'd say the feds whom are too concerned with saving face in Iraq.
This is bullshit - paybacksare - 09-02-2005
Last night, Bill O'Reilly made a statement that certain people had decided not to evacuate when the news of hurricane first came, because they had wanted to/planned on looting and going on a crime-spree in the aftermath. What a fucking asshole.
I love how we roll into another country with a great deal of fanfair and an attitude that we can make everyone in Iraq's life better...yet when devastation hits a small percentage of our own country, we are seemingly inept to help them most of them even 4 days later.
This is bullshit - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-02-2005
BIRD33 Wrote:The problem is all the people and equipment that usually handle this shit are in Iraq.You've got alot of second bannana's making decisions with little heavy equipment and money to pull from.
No, the problem is you have a bunch of people that don't want to leave until they get "ready" to leave and then bitch when they can't hail a bus.
Where the breakdown in the relief effort was, was when the FEMA people didn't sit down Tuesday night and say, "OKay, there are 100,000 people still there and they are not going to have any sewer, electricity, air conditioning, or relief from the water for several weeks. Now, how long will 100,000 people be able to live in those conditions? Fuck, we better get some buses in here and be ready for them when they decide they are leaving"
This is bullshit - cLaY - 09-02-2005
paybacksare Wrote:Last night, Bill O'Reilly made a statement that certain people had decided not to evacuate when the news of hurricane first came, because they had wanted to/planned on looting and going on a crime-spree in the aftermath. What a fucking asshole.
I love how we roll into another country with a great deal of fanfair and an attitude that we can make everyone in Iraq's life better...yet when devastation hits a small percentage of our own country, we are seemingly inept to help them most of them even 4 days later.
Bill O'Reilly is a fuck. That sounds like one big presumption. He can suck my fat fucking cock. Granted, the looting is out of control, and the gangs that occupy that city are nothing to fuck with...but fucking shit, their whole town is gone, what do you expect when nobody is there to help? Panic sets in...
This is bullshit - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-02-2005
paybacksare Wrote:Last night, Bill O'Reilly made a statement that certain people had decided not to evacuate when the news of hurricane first came, because they had wanted to/planned on looting and going on a crime-spree in the aftermath. What a fucking asshole.Hey, don't think that thought hasn't crossed my mind. I would bet that about half of the people that stayed behind, did so because they didn't want their shit looted after the storm. Well, why would they think that would happen?
I love how we roll into another country with a great deal of fanfair and an attitude that we can make everyone in Iraq's life better...yet when devastation hits a small percentage of our own country, we are seemingly inept to help them most of them even 4 days later.
This is bullshit - paybacksare - 09-02-2005
The worst part is I can't think of a damn thing I can do to help other than throw out more money, and at this point, I'm not confident that my money is really getting to where it needs to be.
This is bullshit - cLaY - 09-02-2005
paybacksare Wrote:The worst part is I can't think of a damn thing I can do to help other than throw out more money, and at this point, I'm not confident that my money is really getting to where it needs to be.
Exactly, thats how sad this disaster really is. Who can you trust? Should we help out these government agencies? I for one, will not be donating a dime to the Red Cross. Me and the woman are kicking around donating some money we got from the wedding shower and sending it to anhil8tor to hand out to some families. I also went and bought a bunch of diapers and 5 cases of bottled water at the grocery store and dropped it off at a relief station.
This is bullshit - paybacksare - 09-02-2005
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Hey, don't think that thought hasn't crossed my mind. I would bet that about half of the people that stayed behind, did so because they didn't want their shit looted after the storm. Well, why would they think that would happen?
No, I would guess that a lot of people stayed behind because A) they weren't accepting of the magnitude of this disaster (yes, that was dumb)
and B) they didn't have anywhere to go or any way to get there. Seriously, I would wager pretty much 100% of the people on this board have enough money at any given time where we could afford to pack up, get in our nice cars, and zoom away. What about if you don't have a car? If you don't have any money to think of getting motel room in another state? If you don't have friends and family who can help you?
What about the sick? The elderly? Those with many small children?
Not to mention the people who may have tried to evacuate, but ended up haing to turn back because of massive back-ups every where at the last minute.
Yes, in a perfect world, every one would have understood the importance, and left. But to think that people willingly thought to themselves "Hmmm....I'm going to hang out here and risk my life because damn, I want to loot some stores after I've lost everything I own!" seems so asinine.
This is bullshit - cLaY - 09-02-2005
paybacksare Wrote:No, I would guess that a lot of people stayed behind because A) they weren't accepting of the magnitude of this disaster (yes, that was dumb)
and B) they didn't have anywhere to go or any way to get there. Seriously, I would wager pretty much 100% of the people on this board have enough money at any given time where we could afford to pack up, get in our nice cars, and zoom away. What about if you don't have a car? If you don't have any money to think of getting motel room in another state? If you don't have friends and family who can help you?
What about the sick? The elderly? Those with many small children?
Not to mention the people who may have tried to evacuate, but ended up haing to turn back because of massive back-ups every where at the last minute.
Yes, in a perfect world, every one would have understood the importance, and left. But to think that people willingly thought to themselves "Hmmm....I'm going to hang out here and risk my life because damn, I want to loot some stores after I've lost everything I own!" seems so asinine.
I'd like to kiss you, well said.
This is bullshit - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-02-2005
paybacksare Wrote:No, I would guess that a lot of people stayed behind because A) they weren't accepting of the magnitude of this disaster (yes, that was dumb)
and B) they didn't have anywhere to go or any way to get there. Seriously, I would wager pretty much 100% of the people on this board have enough money at any given time where we could afford to pack up, get in our nice cars, and zoom away. What about if you don't have a car? If you don't have any money to think of getting motel room in another state? If you don't have friends and family who can help you?
What about the sick? The elderly? Those with many small children?
Not to mention the people who may have tried to evacuate, but ended up haing to turn back because of massive back-ups every where at the last minute.
Yes, in a perfect world, every one would have understood the importance, and left. But to think that people willingly thought to themselves "Hmmm....I'm going to hang out here and risk my life because damn, I want to loot some stores after I've lost everything I own!" seems so asinine.
Yeah, poor Bo Diddly. Somebody should have loaned him a car or something to get out.
Fuck, I've got a cousin that lives in a townhouse in the French Quarter. Her place is small (like most in NO), but it is full of antiques. My sister talked to her a few days before the storm and she told my sister, "No, I'm leaving, but I don't expect to have nothing when I get back. What the storm don't take, the theives will". Of course, in hindsight, she might be lucky. I doubt the looters are very interested in antiques as bad as the conditions are.
This is bullshit - Tribal Dragon - 09-02-2005
BIRD33 Wrote:The problem is all the people and equipment that usually handle this shit are in Iraq.You've got alot of second bannana's making decisions with little heavy equipment and money to pull from.+1
This is bullshit - Tribal Dragon - 09-02-2005
paybacksare Wrote:No, I would guess that a lot of people stayed behind because A) they weren't accepting of the magnitude of this disaster (yes, that was dumb)I heard reports that even if you tried to get out of town before the storm, there were no buses, taxis, or rental cars available.
and B) they didn't have anywhere to go or any way to get there. Seriously, I would wager pretty much 100% of the people on this board have enough money at any given time where we could afford to pack up, get in our nice cars, and zoom away. What about if you don't have a car? If you don't have any money to think of getting motel room in another state? If you don't have friends and family who can help you?
What about the sick? The elderly? Those with many small children?
Not to mention the people who may have tried to evacuate, but ended up haing to turn back because of massive back-ups every where at the last minute.
Yes, in a perfect world, every one would have understood the importance, and left. But to think that people willingly thought to themselves "Hmmm....I'm going to hang out here and risk my life because damn, I want to loot some stores after I've lost everything I own!" seems so asinine.
This is bullshit - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-02-2005
I can remember watching the TV monday morning before I went to work. My wife was watching CNN and they were reporting on the storm making landfall. Initial reports was that it might not be too bad. I remember as I walked out the door, I told her "well give it about 3 hours and then Let the Looting Begin".
Why was it that there was so much looting after the Rodney King trial? Was it to get much needed supplies and because of the desperate times? No, it was because there were huge crowds in the streets that suddenly looked around and said to themselves, "Fuck there are a lot more of us than them".