[BIRD33]

Its crazy we have a vice presidential candidate that needs to cram for a debate like its a high school mid term.One of these campaigns is legit, the other is redefining the term "Bush league".

Biden will be quiet and reserved.No doubt about it.

[BIRD33]

--Obama up 8 points in Florida, 51 to 43
--Obama up 8 points in Ohio, 50 to 42
--Obama up 14 points in Pennsylvania, 54 to 39

Mccain has severely fucked up to be down that much in these states especially florida.I heard people say last week that Obama should stop campaigning in Florida because it was a lost cause.

Mccains campaign is dysfunctional to say the least.A great example is this video that just came out with him answering questions from the editorial board of an Iowa newspaper.

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A republican operative raised a good point that shows how poorly Mccains campaign staff if doing.What is he doing in Iowa in the first place?Obama has had that state locked down for almost 6 months, its not even close so why bother doing an interview in Iowa especially one where you end up looking like an ass?It makes no sense.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Well, its not looking good for McCain. I guess he's falling victim to the same machine that Hillary fell victim to. I don't see it turning around again before election time.

[BIRD33]

What machine was that?Who had a bigger "machine" than Hillary?Obama is the better candidate, thats why he's winning.Give him some credit.

[leucetios]

Giving people credit is what got us into this whole financial mess in the first place ><

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

What machine was that?Who had a bigger "machine" than Hillary?Obama is the better candidate, thats why he's winning.Give him some credit.

Come on, you know what I am talking about. Obama is a good candidate, but you have to admit, the strategy that his people have come up with is pretty incredible for someone that has never been on a stage this size before.

The sad thing for him is going to be that he is not going to be able to accomplish hardly anything that he has based his campaign on.

[BIRD33]

Come on, you know what I am talking about. Obama is a good candidate, but you have to admit, the strategy that his people have come up with is pretty incredible for someone that has never been on a stage this size before.

The sad thing for him is going to be that he is not going to be able to accomplish hardly anything that he has based his campaign on.

I just don't know what machine you are talking about when referring to Obama.He built this thing from the ground up by himself without the help of the party in power or a past president with millions of political connections.It's pretty impressive and his strategy will soon be legendary.Events out of his control helped him as well like this economic crisis.


I was thinking something today that if you would have told me I'd be saying this two months ago I'd call you crazy.Imagine where Mccain would be if he picked Romney for his VP?Take away all the is he qualified crap and terrible interviews that Palins brought and replace it with a some what popular guy with the base who has the best economic credentials and experience of anyone who ran this year.He would automatically give Mccain the advantage on the issue of what to do to get out of this huge mess with the economy.I think Mccain would be close to tied if he had picked him.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I just don't know what machine you are talking about when referring to Obama.He built this thing from the ground up by himself without the help of the party in power or a past president with millions of political connections.It's pretty impressive and his strategy will soon be legendary.Events out of his control helped him as well like this economic crisis.


I was thinking something today that if you would have told me I'd be saying this two months ago I'd call you crazy.Imagine where Mccain would be if he picked Romney for his VP?Take away all the is he qualified crap and terrible interviews that Palins brought and replace it with a some what popular guy with the base who has the best economic credentials and experience of anyone who ran this year.He would automatically give Mccain the advantage on the issue of what to do to get out of this huge mess with the economy.I think Mccain would be close to tied if he had picked him.

Well, I don't think McCain could have run with Romney any more than Obama could run with Hillary.

But, I am just fucking floored at how poorly Palin handles these interviews. I mean, she has got to be relatively smart. I don't think that she is some bumbling dumb ass that has been successful her whole life and now is suddenly stupid.

To not be able to give an example of a newspaper that she reads? That is just fucking bizarre. Only 2 things explain that. She either does not read newspapers, magazines, or watch network news or she only reads the Walissa Gazette, People magazine, and Geraldo.

I mean, if you think about it Couric was trying to give her a boost. Something that she could say, "You know I might not be traveling to Russia, but at least I read the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times or Washington Post everyday. So I know what is going on in the world."

This debate has the potential to be the funniest goddamn thing on TV this fall.

[BIRD33]

Well, I don't think McCain could have run with Romney any more than Obama could run with Hillary.

But, I am just fucking floored at how poorly Palin handles these interviews. I mean, she has got to be relatively smart. I don't think that she is some bumbling dumb ass that has been successful her whole life and now is suddenly stupid.

To not be able to give an example of a newspaper that she reads? That is just fucking bizarre. Only 2 things explain that. She either does not read newspapers, magazines, or watch network news or she only reads the Walissa Gazette, People magazine, and Geraldo.

I mean, if you think about it Couric was trying to give her a boost. Something that she could say, "You know I might not be traveling to Russia, but at least I read the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times or Washington Post everyday. So I know what is going on in the world."

This debate has the potential to be the funniest goddamn thing on TV this fall.

If Mccain knew what he was getting into with Palin or how bad the economy was going to get he would have selected Romney.I'm sure he would have sucked it up just for the chance to win.His whole strategy seems to be "hey look at us we're mavericks!" but most people are like "great, how will that help me pay my bills?".

She's got to be smart to get to the governors igloo up there but I think it's more political smarts than book smarts.I don't think she seriously thought she was going to be a contender for the VP spot.She's good at playing the folksy every woman that I'm sure those fuckers eat with a spoon up there but thats different than weighing all the options of a international crisis and making the right decision.I am positive she's never had even a passing interest in international affairs.She sure can read well off a teleprompter though.

It doesnt seem like she's got a lot of interest or information about anything outside her little bubble and it shows in those interviews.She reminds me of Bush in that respect.

The newspaper thing was bizarre.Either she doesnt read the paper which who knows if its true or not but its scary thats a real possibility or she reads the New York Times or the Washington post and was afraid to ruin her conservative credentials by admitting she reads those "liberal rags".I lean towards she doesnt read anything.

I think the debate will be less fun than people anticipate.Kind of like Obama and Hillarys last debate.Both can't afford to get too crazy for fear of hurting themselves.Palin needs to be aggressive but I don't think her handlers will let her because she could make a massive mistake and end the election right then and there.

If I was advising her I'd tell her she needs to mention how she looks forward to seeing how Tina Fey will portray her in the debate on the next SNL to kind of defuse that and show she can roll with the punches.

[BIRD33]

Giving people credit is what got us into this whole financial mess in the first place ><

Did he get deleted in the last 2 hours?

[Ntype]

I heard that there is a massive voters purge that his happening in some southern states... I think -being a little bit pessimistic- that we may see McCain winning after all.

My guess : Mc Cain drops Pallin (or Pallin retreats) hire some wise nut everybody goes "wooo" enthousiasm overthrow the crowd - Mc Cain gains elections "from a few disputed votes -analyst comments on excellent performance of Obama - some anonymous bitter about "america not ready for a black president" democrats oriented "we hoped for a new JFK but instead we fear dark time who may comes for democracy".

Now let's go for some politic fiction :

- Mc Cain can't stop the fall of american dollar
- Iran and Venezuela becomes defacto a new fighting ground for Russians who are testing their new "force" against their -secular- /ok a little bit rough here - enemy
- Dollar goes still down Taiwan gets into China's hand
- North Korea Dictator officially declared dead there are now some cross talks about "restoring peace and a new hope" in the north - Russia, China, South Corea and Japan participate. Merging north and south problematic.

[Ntype]

Did he get deleted in the last 2 hours?

let's hope that he didn't experimented some new features of the board...

[BIRD33]

I heard that there is a massive voters purge that his happening in some southern states... I think -being a little bit pessimistic- that we may see McCain winning after all.

My guess : Mc Cain drops Pallin (or Pallin retreats) hire some wise nut everybody goes "wooo" enthousiasm overthrow the crowd - Mc Cain gains elections "from a few disputed votes -analyst comments on excellent performance of Obama - some anonymous bitter about "america not ready for a black president" democrats oriented "we hoped for a new JFK but instead we fear dark time who may comes for democracy".

Now let's go for some politic fiction :

- Mc Cain can't stop the fall of american dollar
- Iran and Venezuela becomes defacto a new fighting ground for Russians who are testing their new "force" against their -secular- /ok a little bit rough here - enemy
- Dollar goes still down Taiwan gets into China's hand
- North Korea Dictator officially declared dead there are now some cross talks about "restoring peace and a new hope" in the north - Russia, China, South Corea and Japan participate. Merging north and south problematic.

You understand very little about America.

I love how we are known as the country with the racism problem even though we are the only one seriously electing a black president.I've never seen a black europeon politician, is there such a thing?

[Ntype]

You understand very little about America.

I love how we are known as the country with the racism problem even though we are the only one seriously electing a black president.I've never seen a black europeon politician, is there such a thing?

well I wasn't really doing any fuss on Obama being black the problem, it's just that I was doing some fiction about democrats losing again an election in a strange manner without doing anything; see First Bush election who if I recall he wasn't the one who got the most votes but still got elected and the second one who got well "favorable recounts" (this time they were more prepared).

And speaking for a black european politician well...in Europe it's very different from the US we didn't have this "vivid" memory of slaveness - I mean in Europe we where almost all slaves of a few kings before than some refreshing revolutions sprouted- so the racism is not exactly lived in the same manner.

To be simplistic to the extreme..in Switzerland people are usually xenophobic (they hate strangers whatever color/religion/tongue they have/do/speak - you are not swiss it's enough). In Spain they have a lot of immagration from South America and they see them as a threat - especially since there has been a slow down in Spain economy. France got a huge problem with his arabic immigrants - Germany got a lot of Turkish people but they tend to be quite well integrated now - Italy...had a rampant problem with slavic immigrants entering from Albania (all restored since army has been stationned in albanian ports). Now each country got a specific "hate group" and it's not the blacks usually - racism exists but maybe not said in the same manner.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

No way do I see McCain dropping Palin at this point. First I just dont' think he would do it, and second the backlash from backpeddaling on a decision would hurt him more than help him.

This economy problem is hurting McCain much worse than Palin is. And there isn't anything that can be done to stop it before the election. If Palin had turned out to be really smart, always on point, and had been able to woo the press rather than turn them against her, she might have been enough to boost McCain past this economy problem. I just don't see that happening now.

I think that people are so fed up right now that they would elect Kucinich rather than a republican.

[BIRD33]

Mccain can't drop her.It's his first decision really as a potential president and getting rid of her would be admitting he didnt really look to deep into her.I'm almost embarrassed for him.

I do think Mccain had a legit chance to win it.Going against a black guy was a HUGE advantage.He blew it in numerous ways.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Mccain can't drop her.It's his first decision really as a potential president and getting rid of her would be admitting he didnt really look to deep into her.I'm almost embarrassed for him.

I do think Mccain had a legit chance to win it.Going against a black guy was a HUGE advantage.He blew it in numerous ways.

McCain, by this point in the ballgame, should have emboldened himself as a Washington outsider with 20 years experience in the Senate. By all of the things that he has done to cross his party lines and do things that did not fit the customary Washington mold. Just throwing out the word "maverick" every other sentence hasn't done the job.

He should have spent the past 2 years distancing himself so far from the Bush policies that he wouldn't even have to defend that now.

He should have tipped Palin off to the VP nod 8 months ago and given her enough time to prepare for the role. Picking her a couple of days before she was thrown to the wolves was retarded to say the least.

And he should have been doing to Obama what the media is doing to Palin. Showing how untested he is. Showing how even his "no vote" on Iraq meant nothing at the time. He gave that speech to basically an empty room.

I think McCain fell asleep sometime around March.

[BIRD33]

McCain, by this point in the ballgame, should have emboldened himself as a Washington outsider with 20 years experience in the Senate. By all of the things that he has done to cross his party lines and do things that did not fit the customary Washington mold. Just throwing out the word "maverick" every other sentence hasn't done the job.

He should have spent the past 2 years distancing himself so far from the Bush policies that he wouldn't even have to defend that now.

He should have tipped Palin off to the VP nod 8 months ago and given her enough time to prepare for the role. Picking her a couple of days before she was thrown to the wolves was retarded to say the least.

And he should have been doing to Obama what the media is doing to Palin. Showing how untested he is. Showing how even his "no vote" on Iraq meant nothing at the time. He gave that speech to basically an empty room.

I think McCain fell asleep sometime around March.

Mccain had to cozy up to Bush in order to get his donors to support his campaign.No money no nomination.He made a deal with the devil.You can't vote 95% of the time with a guy and then pretend to distance yourself.

3 weeks ago Mccain was in relativity good shape considering how unpopular the GOP is but he made a fatal mistake in picking Palin.I think he made a close 2 to 3 % race into a 10 to 15% race.

He should've like you said made experience the main issue and made people nervous about Obama being untested but the Palin selection blew up his strongest argument.I don't think any amount of preparation would have mattered with her.If you can't answer the newspaper question without any preparation how did she stand a chance with the millions of complicated nuanced questions she's going to face.

This tells you a lot about the Rove era of the GOP.They assumed we all were stupid and would fall for the same us vs. them crap that GW fooled us with.


If he would have worked the experience thing to death and selected Romney with this economy I'd be shitting my pants right now.

[who]

If Mccain knew what he was getting into with Palin or how bad the economy was going to get he would have selected Romney.

McCain would have had to have lived in an Igloo the last three years to not know the economy was tanking

[Ntype]

McCain would have had to have lived in an Igloo the last three years to not know the economy was tanking

are you implying some adulterous and horny err un-religious things happening up there in the big north ?