[BIRD33]

Man, you are grasping at nothing here.

If you want to dive into some meat, check out Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis. Holy Shit! She sounds like Louis Farrakhan.



A "Separationist"? That's a good term for someone who wants to now be someone that brings everyone together.

Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 responded out of 400 who were asked for input.

The conclusion of the thesis is alarming. Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni helps her understand that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. She laments that only 1/3 say they are more comfortable around black people than white people.

But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin.



I see now why they go to that Reverend White's church. Holy fucking shit!

On what ballot can I vote for Michelle Obama?What goverment position is she running for?Try to have a relevant point next time.

[BIRD33]

What are the job responsibilities of a campaign spokesman?

I'm sure an answer on this is forthcoming.

I'm curious to see how a campaign spokesperson does an interview for Mccain but isnt speaking for Mccain.Its a new type of campaign spokesperson I guess?He is going to create new jobs after all!

[BIRD33]

If the biggest consevative on the block,David Brooks isnt sold on Palin how can you all know enough to be sold on her?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16brooks.html

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

On what ballot can I vote for Michelle Obama?What goverment position is she running for?Try to have a relevant point next time.

Did you realize that Michelle Obama was a self described "separationist"? That she believes that blacks should be separated from Whites and given special privileges? And that she was going to dedicate her life to getting in a position to put them first?

Her thesis really sounds like something that would come from someone that would go to church with Reverend White and it explains a lot about why Barack goes to that church.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I'm sure an answer on this is forthcoming.

I'm curious to see how a campaign spokesperson does an interview for Mccain but isnt speaking for Mccain.Its a new type of campaign spokesperson I guess?He is going to create new jobs after all!

Its such a stupid question. You realize that you are trying to make a point that McCain isn't qualified to be president because some lady that is his spokesman made a comment about a skit on SNL? Its beyond dumb.

A campaign spokesperson is supposed to be available to the press to answer questions on a more timely and responsive timetable than the candidate would ever be able to do. As to whether they are always voicing the exact sentiments of the candidate on every single question who knows?

You realize I guess, that Carly Fiorina is not his campaign spokesperson? She is a pseudo advisor and made those comments on her own personal behalf. I don't think you know enough about what you are talking about most of the time.

I'm pretty sure she felt pretty safe fielding a response to a question about an SNL skit.

I will also go on to say that I bet $ that when McCain makes a comment about it out of his own mouth, he will have seen the humor in it and say something like "I just enjoy our campaign staying on the front page".

[BIRD33]

Did you realize that Michelle Obama was a self described "separationist"? That she believes that blacks should be separated from Whites and given special privileges? And that she was going to dedicate her life to getting in a position to put them first?

Her thesis really sounds like something that would come from someone that would go to church with Reverend White and it explains a lot about why Barack goes to that church.

Why should I care about this?Todd Palin was a member of the party that wanted to make Alaska its own nation.Who cares?

[BIRD33]

Its such a stupid question. You realize that you are trying to make a point that McCain isn't qualified to be president because some lady that is his spokesman made a comment about a skit on SNL? Its beyond dumb.

A campaign spokesperson is supposed to be available to the press to answer questions on a more timely and responsive timetable than the candidate would ever be able to do. As to whether they are always voicing the exact sentiments of the candidate on every single question who knows?

You realize I guess, that Carly Fiorina is not his campaign spokesperson? She is a pseudo advisor and made those comments on her own personal behalf. I don't think you know enough about what you are talking about most of the time.

I'm pretty sure she felt pretty safe fielding a response to a question about an SNL skit.

I will also go on to say that I bet $ that when McCain makes a comment about it out of his own mouth, he will have seen the humor in it and say something like "I just enjoy our campaign staying on the front page".

I'm staggered you thought my point was Mccain isnt qualified to be president because his spokesperson misspoke.I mean where did you get that from?

My point was that the Mccain campaign was trying to play the victim by saying the snl skit shows how biased and sexist the media is,thats pretty much what his spokesperson said and it was laughable.I was pointing out how ridiculous the argument was and how ironic it was they chose a women to deliver that message about two women being sexist to another women.

If you don't think they had a meeting on how to respond to that snl skit which everyone thought was funny and had huge buzz you are crazy.Politics is a serious business and you're niave if you don't think the official talking point was that the skit was sexist.The tell is that no woman would ever call another woman sexist, its not possible.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Why should I care about this?Todd Palin was a member of the party that wanted to make Alaska its own nation.Who cares?

:lool: Wow, what kind of liberal websites are you getting your information from? Todd Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party and went to one meeting. Aside from the fact that he has never participated in anything with that party, they aren't trying to get Alaska to pull out of the union. Nothing in their platform says that.

Platform
We pledge to exert our best efforts to accomplish the following:



1. To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.
2. To support and defend States' Rights, Individual Rights, Property Rights, and the Equal Footing Doctrine as guaranteed by the constitutions of the United States of America and the state of Alaska.
3. To advocate the convening of a State Constitutional Convention at the constitutionally designated 10 year interval.
4. To reinforce the unalienable rights endowed by our Creator to Alaska law, by eliminating the use of the word "privilege" in the Alaska statutes.
5. To amend the Constitution of the State of Alaska so as to re-establish the rights of all Alaskan residents to entry upon all public lands within the state, and to acquire private property interest there in, under fair and reasonable conditions. Such property interest shall include surface and sub-surface patent.
6. To foster a constitutional amendment abolishing and prohibiting all property taxes.
7. To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.
8. To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature.
9. To preserve and protect the Alaska Permanent Fund, Permanent fund earnings, earnings reserve fund and individual Permanent Fund Dividends.
10. To provide for the direct popular election of the attorney general, all judges, and magistrates.
11. To provide for the development of unrestricted, statewide, surface transportation and utility corridors as needed by the public or any individual.
12. To affirm and assert every possible right-of-way established under R.S. 2477 of July 26, 1866, before its repeal by the Federal Land Management Policy Act of October 21, 1976.
13. To support the right of the individual to keep and bear arms.
14. To support the complete abolition of the concept of sovereign or governmental immunity, so as to restore accountability for public servants.
15. To support the rights of parents to privately or home school their children.
16. To support the privatization of government services.
17. To oppose the borrowing of money by government for any purposes other than for capital improvements.
18. To strengthen the traditional family and support individual accountability without government interference or regulation.
19. To support the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, according to their conscience.
20. To support "Jobs for Alaskans...First!"

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I'm staggered you thought my point was Mccain isnt qualified to be president because his spokesperson misspoke.I mean where did you get that from?

My point was that the Mccain campaign was trying to play the victim by saying the snl skit shows how biased and sexist the media is,thats pretty much what his spokesperson said and it was laughable.I was pointing out how ridiculous the argument was and how ironic it was they chose a women to deliver that message about two women being sexist to another women.

If you don't think they had a meeting on how to respond to that snl skit which everyone thought was funny and had huge buzz you are crazy.Politics is a serious business and you're niave if you don't think the official talking point was that the skit was sexist.The tell is that no woman would ever call another woman sexist, its not possible.

Here's a clue BIRD33...... Carly Fiorina is not a McCain spokesperson. And I'm pretty sure he didn't meet with her between 10:30 sat night and 8:00 Sunday morning about an SNL skit.

Hello?

[BIRD33]

:lool: Wow, what kind of liberal websites are you getting your information from? Todd Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party and went to one meeting. Aside from the fact that he has never participated in anything with that party, they aren't trying to get Alaska to pull out of the union. Nothing in their platform says that.

Sometimes you make it to easy man. I just went to the same website you pulled your 20 bullet points from and clicked the goals section and saw this...


Goals
[INDENT]Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

[/INDENT]The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
[INDENT]1) Remain a Territory.

[/INDENT][INDENT]2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.

3) Accept Commonwealth status.

4) Become a State.

[/INDENT]The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

What was number 2?I'm having trouble reading that through the tears of laughter brought on by remembering you're someones father.What the fuck did you think the "independece" in Alaska Independece Party means?When they say they want to follow the letter of the consitution they are talking about a states rights to sucede from the union if they see fit.At best they just want to go back to being a territory at most they want to be an independent nation.Read the fucking websites you quote from, jerkoff.

http://www.akip.org/faqs.html

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

Is this where I put this :lool: to signify I really got you?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Sometimes you make it to easy man. I just went to the same website you pulled your 20 bullet points from and clicked the goals section and saw this...


Goals
[INDENT]Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.

[/INDENT]The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
[INDENT]1) Remain a Territory.

[/INDENT][INDENT]2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.

3) Accept Commonwealth status.

4) Become a State.

[/INDENT]The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

What was number 2?I'm having trouble reading that through the tears of laughter brought on by remembering you're someones father.What the fuck did you think the "independece" in Alaska Independece Party means?When they say they want to follow the letter of the consitution they are talking about a states rights to sucede from the union if they see fit.At best they just want to go back to being a territory at most they want to be an independent nation.Read the fucking websites you quote from, jerkoff.

http://www.akip.org/faqs.html

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

Is this where I put this :lool: to signify I really got you?

Now you are really being stupid. That party was founded in the 70's or 80's.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Is this where I put this :lool: to signify I really got you?

You can't be doing all of this research and still be this stupid. Alaska became a state. The goals set out (not by them, because they were not around yet) were made in 1958. Out of the 4 goals, they wanted "ONE" of them. One of which was to "become a state" (see Goal #4 in your stupid quote). They did that.

Their goals NOW are as I laid them out. None of which are to become an independent nation.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

You are really grasping at tiny straws Bird. You are trying to concoct some sinister mission of a party in Alaska and tie it to Todd Palin because he one time many years ago went to one meeting. And he is the husband of a vice-presidential nominee.

And yet, Michelle Obama, who wants to become first lady thinks that blacks and whites should be separated and that blacks should get preferential treatment over whites.

[BIRD33]

Now you are really being stupid. That party was founded in the 70's or 80's.

This is the Party Palins husband joined.Its on the front page of their website.

Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time

[BIRD33]

You can't be doing all of this research and still be this stupid. Alaska became a state. The goals set out (not by them, because they were not around yet) were made in 1958. Out of the 4 goals, they wanted "ONE" of them. One of which was to "become a state" (see Goal #4 in your stupid quote). They did that.

Their goals NOW are as I laid them out. None of which are to become an independent nation.

So your going to play the intellectual dishonesty game, huh?

You and I both saw that they want to vote on either become a territory, remaining a state, becoming a commonwealth like puerto rico or becoming an INDEPENDENT NATION.

I can't fucking believe you won't admit that the Alaskan Independent Parties goals are to become an independent nation.Its right in their name for christ sake.

If they don't want to be a nation than why do they answer these questions on the FAQ part of their site?



Q: Under independence, what would happen to all the federal controls and regulations?

A: We believe that controls should be exerted by the lowest possible governmental unit. The people of Alaska can better decide what controls need to be in place than can bureaucrats in Washington. Specific local regulation might be either more or less restrictive than current federal regulation. The point is that it will be our regulation, not Washington's.

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?
A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.


Q: What will happen to major U.S. stores such as Sears, Safeway, and McDonald's? A: Any company which found it profitable to sell in Alaska would remain. Without the constraints of the deteriorating U.S. economy, and with the enormous wealth of Alaska, international as well as local companies will prosper.


Are you really this dense or too stubborn to admit when you're wrong?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

So your going to play the intellectual dishonesty game, huh?

You and I both saw that they want to vote on either become a territory, remaining a state, becoming a commonwealth like puerto rico or becoming an INDEPENDENT NATION.

I can't fucking believe you won't admit that the Alaskan Independent Parties goals are to become an independent nation.Its right in their name for christ sake.

If they don't want to be a nation than why do they answer these questions on the FAQ part of their site?



Q: Under independence, what would happen to all the federal controls and regulations?

A: We believe that controls should be exerted by the lowest possible governmental unit. The people of Alaska can better decide what controls need to be in place than can bureaucrats in Washington. Specific local regulation might be either more or less restrictive than current federal regulation. The point is that it will be our regulation, not Washington's.

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?
A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.


Q: What will happen to major U.S. stores such as Sears, Safeway, and McDonald's? A: Any company which found it profitable to sell in Alaska would remain. Without the constraints of the deteriorating U.S. economy, and with the enormous wealth of Alaska, international as well as local companies will prosper.


Are you really this dense or too stubborn to admit when you're wrong?

Maybe if Todd goes to any more meetings he can update me on what their goals are since 1958 when they weren't even around yet. Thanks for bringing up this valuable insight into the election.

Meanwhile, prepare for a nuclear bomb when Michelle's thesis hits the streets. Its going to explain the thing that none of us could understand prior to this. Why would a guy like Barak go to a church led by that nutcase?

[BIRD33]

You are really grasping at tiny straws Bird. You are trying to concoct some sinister mission of a party in Alaska and tie it to Todd Palin because he one time many years ago went to one meeting. And he is the husband of a vice-presidential nominee.

And yet, Michelle Obama, who wants to become first lady thinks that blacks and whites should be separated and that blacks should get preferential treatment over whites.

You forgot how this started didnt you?

Why should I care about this?Todd Palin was a member of the party that wanted to make Alaska its own nation.Who cares?

I don't care about Todd Palins views just like I don't care about Michelle Obama's views.They arent running for anything.I pointed out Palins husbands party affiliation to prove the point that it doesnt matter.You not being able to deciper what the word "Independence" means in Alaskan Independence party was just an added bonus.

[BIRD33]

Good god I fucking destroyed you today flumper.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Good god I fucking destroyed you today flumper.

Yeah, you sure did. You proved today that you don't know that Carly Fiona (sp?) is not McCain's spokesperson and that you think the American people will be just as concerned about Todd Palin going to one meeting of an Alaskan political party as they will be about Michelle Obama claiming to be a "separatist".

Congratulations on a great day.

[who]

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