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Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-16-2010
Electric motors.Next question.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-16-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Electric motors.Next question.
What did his emphasis on wind power and solar power have to do with cutting back on our use of petroleum?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-16-2010
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:What did his emphasis on wind power and solar power have to do with cutting back on our use of petroleum?
Wind and solar generate electricity.More electric motors equals less petroleum used.That was tough to figure out.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-16-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Wind and solar generate electricity.More electric motors equals less petroleum used.That was tough to figure out.
:lool: So you plug your car into the wall at night and let your windmill charge it up? Do you envision windmill gas stations every 10 miles so that you can recharge your car when the battery dies on the way to work?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-16-2010
http://www.fortbendnow.com/2010/06/15/46253
I wonder how this guy figures Houston would be hurt from the moratorium.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-16-2010
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote::lool: So you plug your car into the wall at night and let your windmill charge it up? Do you envision windmill gas stations every 10 miles so that you can recharge your car when the battery dies on the way to work?
Windmill power runs to power plants.A percentage of my electric bill is wind power right now and I get it from the same plant my regular electricity comes from.You don't need individual wind mills to use wind power.God you sound old and out of touch.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-16-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Windmill power runs to power plants.A percentage of my electric bill is wind power right now and I get it from the same plant my regular electricity comes from.You don't need individual wind mills to use wind power.God you sound old and out of touch.
How far does your electric car get you and how much petroleum have you saved?
I'd just like to hear an estimate of how much petroleum these "thousands and thousands" of boats Obama told us about last night that are out in the gulf cleaning up oil are consuming. Or those 17,000 reserve troops that he is sending down there. Are they riding on electric buses? Maybe they have solar powered mini bikes they ride.
I will bet you that the amount of petroleum that it takes to clean up this mess (from trucks, boats, pumps, etc) will amount to 5 times the amount of crude that leaked into the gulf.
It just takes a lot of audacity to tell us that we, and our addiction to oil, is partly to blame for this problem.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-16-2010
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:How far does your electric car get you and how much petroleum have you saved?
I'd just like to hear an estimate of how much petroleum these "thousands and thousands" of boats Obama told us about last night that are out in the gulf cleaning up oil are consuming. Or those 17,000 reserve troops that he is sending down there. Are they riding on electric buses? Maybe they have solar powered mini bikes they ride.
I will bet you that the amount of petroleum that it takes to clean up this mess (from trucks, boats, pumps, etc) will amount to 5 times the amount of crude that leaked into the gulf.
It just takes a lot of audacity to tell us that we, and our addiction to oil, is partly to blame for this problem.
Listen Gramps,
If you are so out of touch you thought everyone needs a windmill to use wind power I'm not interested in going over the pro's of alternative energy.Maybe the teenager who taught you how to turn on your computer is around I can go over it with them.Just continue in your obliviousness.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-17-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Listen Gramps,
If you are so out of touch you thought everyone needs a windmill to use wind power I'm not interested in going over the pro's of alternative energy.Maybe the teenager who taught you how to turn on your computer is around I can go over it with them.Just continue in your obliviousness.
Dude, I was being sarcastic with the "personal windmill" comment. I know quite a bit about windmills and how they are made and used. We have a huge factory not far from my office that makes them. I have even bid on a few jobs putting them up. I have a neighbor (about a mile from me) that has one on his property and he's been using it to power his house for about 5 years. So, if you really want to debate how they work and what they are used for, I'd welcome that. But if you want to use this as your dodgeball because you realize what a stupid argument you are trying to defend, then that's what I thought.
Wind energy is not going to save one drop of petroleum. In fact just the petroleum it takes to make them, deliver them, set them up and maintain them probably puts them into a category of "costing" petroleum rather than saving any.
How many people do you know that drive electric cars whose batteries are charged up by plugging them into a wall?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-17-2010
Glad you were just playing stupid.Wow you work near windmills.
The reason Obama brought it up is there is a clear choice.Continue as we are and suffer disasters like this periodically along with air pollution or take note of this problem and focus on long term fix for it.Its not possible today but it is possible.The main resistance is from lobbyist with energy groups shaping political and public perception that it can't be done even if evidence suggests the contrary(see 8's behavior during all of this).I don't think Obama needed to make that speech and since there is no presidential solution for a leak 5000 feet down on the ocean floor he's got to say something.If he didnt people would be crying like he doesnt care.
BP put 20 billion in a fund for victims of this today.congrats to obama?not here.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-17-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Glad you were just playing stupid.Wow you work near windmills.
The reason Obama brought it up is there is a clear choice.Continue as we are and suffer disasters like this periodically along with air pollution or take note of this problem and focus on long term fix for it.Its not possible today but it is possible.The main resistance is from lobbyist with energy groups shaping political and public perception that it can't be done even if evidence suggests the contrary(see 8's behavior during all of this).I don't think Obama needed to make that speech and since there is no presidential solution for a leak 5000 feet down on the ocean floor he's got to say something.If he didnt people would be crying like he doesnt care.
BP put 20 billion in a fund for victims of this today.congrats to obama?not here.
Is this Day 57 or 58?
I wish Bush was president during all of this and it was going exactly as it is right now and I could hear your crazy spin on all of the things he has done wrong.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-17-2010
I guess Obama is right. If we hadn't spent the last 30 years doing nothing about our addiction to oil then we wouldn't have needed to be drilling and this wouldn't have happened. Maybe BP can use that when they start filing lawsuits and try to shift the blame to the real culprit. The American people.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-17-2010
20 Billion to the victims of the Oil spill set aside by BP after they met with Obama.Please use the posts below to congratulate Obama.This is a good thing for the nation but not certain posters stock holdings but I'm sure that won't deter them from saying its a good thing.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-17-2010
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/economy-and-business/Experts-Drilling-Moratorium-May-Do-More-Economic-Damage-Than-Oil-Spill-96524924.html
I know.. you don't like this either.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-17-2010
Again this is the thread to give Obama congrats on making BP put 20 billion up front for the victims of the oil spill.And by victims I do not mean shareholders of BP.Again leave your congrats below.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Tribal Dragon - 06-17-2010
Quote:I apologize ... I think it is a tragedy of the first proportion that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would characterize as a shakedown, in this case a $20 billion shakedown ... I apologize ...- Joe Barton - GOP Douchebag
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Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-17-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Again this is the thread to give Obama congrats on making BP put 20 billion up front for the victims of the oil spill.And by victims I do not mean shareholders of BP.Again leave your congrats below.
LMAO. Is this your "we will be greeted as liberators" speech? We need to sticky this so that a few years from now we can laugh at you again.
I wonder why BP has hired Goldman Sachs as their "finiancial advisors" through all of this? Is it because GS has such a storied history of guiding companies through difficult situations? Or is it because GS is the king of corporate buyouts and mergers?
Current estimates of the cost of stopping the leak, cleaning the mess, restoring the environment, paying claims, paying fines, and fighting lawsuits puts this mess somewhere over $60 billion. Do you seriously think that the shareholders of BP are going to hang around for that?
What BP did yesterday was basically "buying time".
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-17-2010
Rush Limbaugh called it a slush fund.Awesome.They just keep spooning shit into their mouths and they eat it up.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-17-2010
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:LMAO. Is this your "we will be greeted as liberators" speech? We need to sticky this so that a few years from now we can laugh at you again.
I wonder why BP has hired Goldman Sachs as their "finiancial advisors" through all of this? Is it because GS has such a storied history of guiding companies through difficult situations? Or is it because GS is the king of corporate buyouts and mergers?
Current estimates of the cost of stopping the leak, cleaning the mess, restoring the environment, paying claims, paying fines, and fighting lawsuits puts this mess somewhere over $60 billion. Do you seriously think that the shareholders of BP are going to hang around for that?
What BP did yesterday was basically "buying time".
20 billion worth of time that goes to people who need it.The horror!
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-17-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:20 billion worth of time that goes to people who need it.The horror!
Do you seriously think that yesterday they took $20 billion in cash and put it into a bank vault somewhere? Do you know how they agreed to fund this $20 billion dollar fund? So far they have agreed to not payout $2 billion to investors in a quarterly dividend that they were fixing to payout. And that money will first go into the fund. Then the rest they will come up with over their quarters for the next several years.