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Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-08-2010
Vitter is the senator who got caught with a hooker who said he liked to wear diapers.Thats who I want championing my cause.
http://wonkette.com/277270/diaperman-david-vitter-likes-his-diapers
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-08-2010
Jindal asked first...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/bobby-jindal-obama-letter_n_599226.html
In his letter, Gov. Jindal said his state was facing "one of the most challenging economic periods in decades."
"The last thing we need is to enact public policies that will certainly destroy thousands of existing jobs while preventing the creation of thousands more," he added.
"I fully understand the need for strict oversight of deepwater drilling," Jindal wrote. "However, I would ask that the federal government move quickly to ensure that all deepwater drilling is in proper compliance with federal regulation and is conducted safely so that energy production and more importantly, thousands of jobs, are not in limbo."
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2010
Maybe we could all just pay the people in Louisiana to build arsenic plants. Or let the oil drillers switch over and grow opium. Or maybe while we wait on some new policies and safety procedures on oil drilling, we could pay them to dump garbage in the rest of the countries water supplies.
They have to work. What else can we do?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-08-2010
I get that 1000's of jobs are at stake but don't tell me we've all the sudden got regulations that make deep well oil drilling safe enough to continue.How bout we stop the leak first, review all safety procedures and don't allow drilling in places we can't fix quickly.Whats those 1000's of jobs in the oil industry compared to the 10's of thousands of jobs like fishing, tourism etc.. that are predicated on having an ocean that's not 50% crude oil?
Don't worry 8, when your state is crying for federal money I won't call you dirty free loaders like you would.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-08-2010
S'all good bird. We will see how it all shakes out. Obama has clearly made his choice and BP is doing what they can.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-08-2010
Gulf oil spill: the aftermath By MERLIN FLOWER for OIL-PRICE.NET, 2010/06/07
Forty long days, and the saga of the Gulf oil spill continues unabated. The efforts to contain the spill seem doltish in multi levels, more confounded as weeks march by, latest in the series 'top kill' too failing to plug the fissured well. Shifting strategies but failed response have mutated to an environmental disaster for the Gulf coast, slowing seeping elsewhere too.
According to government estimate, 12,000 barrels (1.9 million litres) to 19,000 barrels (3.0 million litres) per day of oil is escaping from the well. And the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration closed twenty five percent of the federal Gulf waters for fishing from nineteen percent before. The chief executive of BP, Tony Hayward, told a TV channel: "This is clearly an environmental catastrophe. There is no two ways about it," adding, "It's clear that we are dealing with a very significant environmental crisis and catastrophe."
The crude oil, even when in contact with water, stays together as a blob known as 'mousse'. This blob floats on water and sticks to anything it comes in contact with, and unfortunately many marine animals mistake the mousse for floating food, thus poisoning them. Chemical dispersants look like a clever idea to get rid of some of the problems above. Dispersant react with crude oil to extract different chemical components from it, much like a refinery does.
Some of these separated chemicals can mix with water; others are heavier than water and sink to the bottom, to be digested by benthic organisms. In other words, dispersants help the oil droplets disintegrate into smaller droplets for easy decomposition.
Truth be told, dispersants are far from a panacea. They are first and foremost a public relation tool to manipulate public opinion into believing the oil spill is disappearing, digested by microbes. The dispersants keep the oil underwater and together have created a deadlier mix than oil and water. Out of sight, out of mind, and the American public, with an increasingly short attention span buys into it. In reality an oil spill treated with chemical dispersants poses an even greater ecological threat than the oil spill left alone.
Corexit-a boon or bane?
Corexit is an extremely toxic chemical dispersant. It was favored by BP over other alternative dispersants more ecologically friendly and with a better track record, mostly for cost reasons. It is estimated that more than 870,000 gallons (3.2 million litres) of Corexit has been used so far, either sprayed on the surface or released underwater-150,000 gallons (570,000 litres).
Dispersants rely on wave movements shearing the oil film mechanically in order to refine crude oil into separate chemicals. This may have worked to some extent on the Exxon Valdez spill of Alaska where waves are big but in the Gulf of Mexico? Ever heard of a surfing competition in the gulf? The waves are just not there for the dispersant to work.
Seven cleanup workers were hospitalized last week after complaints of headache, dizziness, breathing problems and nausea. The workers are said to have told the doctors, according to the medical centre sources, that the chemical dispersant used to break up oil had made them sick. Doctors believe the likely cause to be chemical irritation as well as dehydration from working in the heat. Manufactured by Nalco Energy Services L.P., the Material Safety Data Sheets state that Corexit 9500 cause irritation when in contact with skin, chemical pneumonia if ingested and irritation to the respiratory tract with repeated and prolonged inhalation. MSD of Corexit EC 9527A states:
Symptoms of Exposure
- Acute : Excessive exposure may cause central nervous system effects, nausea, vomiting, aesthetic or narcotic effects.
- Chronic : Repeated or excessive exposure to butoxyethanol may cause injury to red blood cells (hemolysis), kidney or the liver.
No toxicity studies have been conducted for either product, so the extent of damage is still not known. However, according to a study by Exxon, Corexit 9527 and Corexit 9580 have low to "moderate toxicity to most aquatic organisms in laboratory tests." Corexit 9527 is also known to damage the red blood cells, leaving fishes to bleed to death.
In fact, the Environmental Protection Agency has issued a deadline to BP to find an alternative to Corexit, but BP is still using it. EPA told a congressional panel that BP had used less than 12,000 gallons of the chemical dispersant on 26 May, as compared to 70,000 four days ago. On the spraying of the dispersant Erik Fyrwald, CEO of Nalco, said that Corexit 9500 is "safe and effective." And that, "I do believe that dispersants have a positive role to play as a tool. But I think the only people that can determine how to use it and when to use it and which ones to use are the respondents on the ground who are making those calls."
As this is being written, a large cloud of dissolved hydrocarbons has been discovered undersea, by a research team headed by University of South Florida oceanographer, David Hollander. The contaminants are invisible and the reasons Mr. Hollander says, "may be due to the application of the dispersants that a portion of the petroleum has extracted itself away from the crude and is now incorporated into the waters with solvents and detergents."
This is in addition to the two submerged oil plumes, the largest 22 miles long, also said to be the result of dispersants. And, it's less clear the exact damage the oil plumes will cause when they eventually emerge to the surface/reach shore. Further, environmental scientist fear the oil plume entering the loop current-the conveyor belt that carries warm ocean current from Gulf of Mexico through the Straits of Florida. And Florida has extensive coral reefs near its coast. Though oil has already entered the current, scientist say that the oil is caught in a circular eddy that was breaking off the loop current.
The Hurricane season
Know this: Most of the hydrocarbon chemicals extracted by the dispersants stay at the surface. They are the first ones to evaporate alongside water into clouds overhead that later fly over the continent and provide rain to the southern states. We are talking about chemicals causing cancer or kidney failure such as benzene and pretty much any possible chemical that can be extracted from crude oil. These chemicals would end up in water supplies, rain on crops, and eventually imbibed by humans and animals alike.
The 2010 Atlantic hurricane season began on June 1 and The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) predicts 8-14 hurricanes ,14-23 storms, and 3-7 major hurricanes-the figures higher than normal years.
During the next few hurricanes, extreme shearing at the surface of the sea will boost the chemical action of dispersants which separate petroleum chemicals and suddenly increase the concentration of noxious chemicals evaporating from the spill. These hurricanes will carry this noxious cocktail across the southern US and north of Mexico, polluting the water supply and all that depend on it.
There's a big similarity between what is bound to happen and the aftermath of Chernobyl. After the Chernobyl catastrophe a radioactive cloud hovered over Western Europe and it has been recorded that many forms of cancer went much higher than usual. This was never formerly acknowledged by local governments.
As for oil affecting the intensity of the hurricane-oil reduces the evaporation of water vapour-scientists say, the oil spill may not impact hurricanes but could, possibly, affect smaller storms. Some environmental scientist say that the hurricane could also clean-up as the combined effect of wind and wave action could hasten the decomposition of the oil. Still, a cause for worry as the hurricane would carry the hydrocarbons-laden water to the coastal wetlands. In particular, winds pull out colder water from beneath the surface, so the oil plume may rear its head faster than expected, not to mention the additional pressure on the sea floor.
Would the current administration want to cause more panic during the next hurricane than there usually is? Read: everything and everybody will have nowhere to hide.
How to recognize the signs that the spill aftermath rained inland:
# if after a downpour you notice that the road is slicker than usual, this is a sign the rain water may be contaminated
# if after a downpour any foliage appears waxy, and any white surface stained.
# crops and plants which whither unexpectedly after a downpour. The oily substance coating the leaves block respiration and photosynthesis. A lot of herbicides are petroleum-based (but so are fertilizers).
Effects of the oil spill
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-08-2010
[video]http://www.youtube.com/user/MrTaxman01#p/a/u/2/k5SxX2EntEo[/video]
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Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-08-2010
And we've hit rock bottom.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Tribal Dragon - 06-08-2010
Rednecks are still wearing overalls.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - quint - 06-08-2010
i bet they brought a cooler to the meeting
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-08-2010
James Cameron, no.Bubba and Jimbo, yes.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-09-2010
BP to Donate Net Revenue from MC252 Well Leak to Protect and Rehabilitate Wildlife in Gulf States. As part of its commitment to restore the environment and habitats in the Gulf Coast region, BP today announced that it will donate the net revenue from oil recovered from the MC252 spill to create a new wildlife fund to create, restore, improve and protect wildlife habitat along the coastline of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. The creation of this fund is over and above BP's obligations under the Oil Pollution Act of 1990.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-09-2010
8 do you think your company emails will sway anyone?Its kind of embarrassing to be honest.First you try to get us to buy that its safe to start up drilling again when its obvious its not and now I'm supposed to believe BP is committed to the environment?Save it for one for your gullible customers.
Two refineries owned by oil giant BP account for 97 percent of all flagrant violations found in the refining industry by government safety inspectors over the past three years, a Center for Public Integrity analysis shows. Most of BPâs citations were classified as âegregious willfulâ by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and reflect alleged violations of a rule designed to prevent catastrophic events at refineries.
No other oil company inspected by OSHA since June 2007 was even close to BP in the number of citations issued. Sunoco Inc. was cited for 127 alleged violations, eight of which were willful. ConocoPhillips Co. was cited for 119, four of which were willful, and Citgo Petroleum Corp. for 101, two of which were willful.
OSHA defines a willful violation as one âcommitted with plain indifference to or intentional disregard for employee safety and health.â An egregious willful violation is considered so severe that it can result in a penalty each time a violation occurs, rather than a single penalty for all violations of a regulation. A serious violation is described as one creating a âsubstantial probabilityâ of death or serious injury. OSHA can refer cases involving worker deaths and wanton disregard for safety rules to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution.
![[Image: RefineriesChart2.png]](http://www.publicintegrity.org/assets/img/RefineriesChart2.png)
http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2085/
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-09-2010
Its not a company email... its from BPs site.
It is safe to drill again. You are talking about an accident that was directly due to human errors. Remind me again how many rigs blew up in the last 20 years?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-09-2010
Remind me again how we fix a leaking oil rig 2000 feet down?If we can't right away its not safe to drill.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-09-2010
I'm sure they'll start making them drill relief wells. Keep in mind what BP is doing here is ground breaking. They will know how to fix a leaking well at 5,000 feet by the time this is done. Green energy is the future... but oil is the present. In 30 years... our planes and automobiles may be able to fly on something other than oil.... Till then... Drill baby drill
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-09-2010
Anhil8tor Wrote:I'm sure they'll start making them drill relief wells. Keep in mind what BP is doing here is ground breaking. They will know how to fix a leaking well at 5,000 feet by the time this is done. Green energy is the future... but oil is the present. In 30 years... our planes and automobiles may be able to fly on something other than oil.... Till then... Drill baby drill
I forgot there was only oil in the gulf of mexico.Oh wait most of it isnt here.Lets drill over there maybe?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-09-2010
You are absolutely correct. Lets shut down drilling for oil in the good ole USA and drill over seas. That is the American way right?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-09-2010
You keep setting up arguments that are false like we have no other options but to drill 2000 feet down and the fact that they will know how to fix it after hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil ruin the gulf is acceptable.Do you feel slimy trying to push these angles knowing deep down(ha) that what you're saying is total bullshit?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-09-2010
They do not get as much oil from land rigs as they do from deep water.
Have you ever thought about what you have or use in your daily life that is made using oil?