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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - snarg - 09-13-2008

this sums it up pretty well:

While watching the Sarah Palin interview with Charlie Gibson Thursday night, and the coverage of the Palin phenomenon in general, I’ve gotten the scary feeling, for the first time in my life, that dimwittedness is not just on the march in the U.S., but that it might actually prevail.
How is it that this woman could have been selected to be the vice presidential candidate on a major party ticket? How is it that so much of the mainstream media has dropped all pretense of seriousness to hop aboard the bandwagon and go along for the giddy ride?

For those who haven’t noticed, we’re electing a president and vice president, not selecting a winner on “American Idol.”

Ms. Palin may be a perfectly competent and reasonably intelligent woman (however troubling her views on evolution and global warming may be), but she is not ready to be vice president.


read the rest and weep

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13herbert.html?ref=opinion

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - who - 09-13-2008

If I'm not mistaken, it's the president we elect, the VP is along for the ride, Dan Quayle wasn't Westinghouses brightest bulb

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - who - 09-14-2008

The Electoral College

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/reform/report_electoral.htm

The Center's examination of the Electoral College through the National Symposium on Presidential Selection has turned into a preemptive analysis of a topic that narrowly escaped the spotlight in 2000.

One of the most historically notable aspects of this election--the divergence between the popular vote and Electoral College outcome--has been remarked upon far less than one might expect. This relative oversight results from a variety of factors, such as a lack of strong feelings in favor of one candidate or the other. Above all, though, the media and citizenry's limited attention span was consumed by the goings on in Florida. This nation may have come a few dimpled, hanging, and pregnant chads away from a major new push to abolish or reform the Electoral College. While Florida brewed, both sides paid homage, or lip service, to our current constitutional system, and people gradually became accustomed to the notion that Florida's electors would be decisive, and that the popular vote does not choose the president. As a nation, we never really seized upon the opportunity to contemplate the Electoral College.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-15-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I love to see that the Limbaughs and Hannitys of the world are doing everything in their power to prevent Mcain from winning because he's not conservative enough.How fucked up is your party when radio guys are important people?It will be great when Mccain wins and those guys wont vote for him because one it will show how weak the Limbaughs of the world influence is and two the GOP will be tearing itself apart.

This post was from back in febuary when Mccain was on the outs.Now you Gopers are taking your marching orders direct from the guys who tried to sabotage your candidate.He wastnt fit to be president 6 months ago according to the limbaughs of the world but now to keep you sheep in line they've mortgaged their principles.That pretty much sums up the republican party.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-15-2008

:lool: @ Tina Fey impersonating Sarah Palin saturday night. OMG!


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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-15-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:The Bush doctrine is widely known to anyone who' read the paper in the last 8 years.Its the cornerstone of Bush's administration and vital to the understanding of how we've been dealing with the world.You want some regular joe like you running the country.This isnt a joke, this is real life with serious consequences.I can't believe your serious.

Dude, the "Bush Doctrine" is some made up term by the media. The guy that made it up doesn't even agree with how Charlie Gibson defined it during that interview. The Bush Doctrine is not some statment Bush made and titled it "The Bush Doctrine". It encompasses all of the stuff that he has done regarding terrorists and rogue nations since 9-11. For her to ask, "what part of the Bush Doctrine" when confronted with that wide question is not surprising.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-15-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Dude, the "Bush Doctrine" is some made up term by the media. The guy that made it up doesn't even agree with how Charlie Gibson defined it during that interview. The Bush Doctrine is not some statment Bush made and titled it "The Bush Doctrine". It encompasses all of the stuff that he has done regarding terrorists and rogue nations since 9-11. For her to ask, "what part of the Bush Doctrine" when confronted with that wide question is not surprising.

Whatever, your just spinning.I have a general idea what it meant, she didnt.I'm not running for Vice President.Wouldnt it have been easier for her to say what you said rather then look like a deer in the headlights and say something generic like "Bush's worldview".I really don't want to debate an issue that you clearly can't bring yourself to look at honestly.

I don't know why you bother defending her when even credible right wing columnist are starting to jump ship because its obvious she doesnt have a cursory knowlege of world affairs.I forget I'm talking to the guy who doesnt want a person who invested to much thought in to world events as vice president.By the way that makes you dumb as shit.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-15-2008

Here are all the facts regarding the bridge to now where that she flip flopped on.I thought she cancelled the project to save money not becuase they didnt have enough money?I'm sorry but she's just not an honest person.The troopergate thing she's lied on and this are glaring.Please mount a passioned defense for this person you knew nothing about 60 days ago, she's earned it?


In 2006, Palin ran for governor on a "build-the-bridge" platform,[101] attacking "spinmeisters"[102] for insulting local residents by calling them "nowhere"[101] and urging speed "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."[103] About two years after the introduction of the bridge proposals, a month after the bridge received sharp criticism from John McCain,[104] and nine months into Palin's term as governor, Palin canceled the Gravina Bridge, blaming Congress for not providing enough funding.[105] Alaska will not return any of the $442 million to the federal government[106] and is spending a portion of the funding, $25 million, on a Gravina Island road to the place where the bridge would have gone, expressly so that none of the money will have to be returned.[101] Palin continues to support funding Don Young's Way, estimated as more than twice as expensive as the Gravina Bridge would have been.[107]

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-16-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote::lool: @ Tina Fey impersonating Sarah Palin saturday night. OMG!


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MCCAIN ADVISOR RIPS 'SNL' SKIT.... By now, I suspect most of you have seen the opening skit from "Saturday Night Live," which featured a joint press conference hosted by Sarah Palin (played perfectly by Tina Fey) and Hillary Clinton (Amy Poehler). If you missed it, and it was pretty hilarious, NBC has posted the whole thing.


It was pretty harmless, and as Faiz noted, Palin herself reportedly found it "quite funny" and had a good laugh. But then, there was McCain adviser/surrogate Carly Fiorina on MSNBC this morning.



"[T]he portrait [on "SNL"] was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, and so, in that sense, they were defining Hillary Clinton as very substantive and Sarah Palin as totally superficial," Fiorina argued. "I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme and yes, I would say, sexist, in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance."


Mccain thinks that those two chicks in the skit are sexist.Smart guy you are backing.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-16-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:MCCAIN ADVISOR RIPS 'SNL' SKIT.... By now, I suspect most of you have seen the opening skit from "Saturday Night Live," which featured a joint press conference hosted by Sarah Palin (played perfectly by Tina Fey) and Hillary Clinton (Amy Poehler). If you missed it, and it was pretty hilarious, NBC has posted the whole thing.


It was pretty harmless, and as Faiz noted, Palin herself reportedly found it "quite funny" and had a good laugh. But then, there was McCain adviser/surrogate Carly Fiorina on MSNBC this morning.



"[T]he portrait [on "SNL"] was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, and so, in that sense, they were defining Hillary Clinton as very substantive and Sarah Palin as totally superficial," Fiorina argued. "I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme and yes, I would say, sexist, in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance."


Mccain thinks that those two chicks in the skit are sexist.Smart guy you are backing.

I'm not backing "a McCain advisor". Thanks.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-16-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I'm not backing "a McCain advisor". Thanks.

She speaks for the campaign, dumbass.Thats John Mccains view on the issue otherwise the advisor would have said "this is just my opinon".You're welcome.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-16-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Here are all the facts regarding the bridge to now where that she flip flopped on.I thought she cancelled the project to save money not becuase they didnt have enough money?I'm sorry but she's just not an honest person.The troopergate thing she's lied on and this are glaring.Please mount a passioned defense for this person you knew nothing about 60 days ago, she's earned it?


In 2006, Palin ran for governor on a "build-the-bridge" platform,[101] attacking "spinmeisters"[102] for insulting local residents by calling them "nowhere"[101] and urging speed "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."[103] About two years after the introduction of the bridge proposals, a month after the bridge received sharp criticism from John McCain,[104] and nine months into Palin's term as governor, Palin canceled the Gravina Bridge, blaming Congress for not providing enough funding.[105] Alaska will not return any of the $442 million to the federal government[106] and is spending a portion of the funding, $25 million, on a Gravina Island road to the place where the bridge would have gone, expressly so that none of the money will have to be returned.[101] Palin continues to support funding Don Young's Way, estimated as more than twice as expensive as the Gravina Bridge would have been.[107]

Here's the facts regarding Obama Flip Flopping on Cuba to get Florida Votes:

Barack Obama speech in Illinois University 1/20/04 Wrote:"I think it's time for us to end the embargo with Cuba because it has utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, IL, 1/20/04)

Barack Obama Miami Herald 8/25/07 Wrote:"As president, I'll maintain the embargo it's an important inducement for change because we know that Castro's death will not guarantee freedom."

I guess, like Palin, we'll wait until he gets elected to see what he really decides to do.

By the way, I don't categorize that as a flip flop (Barack's view on Cuba). I see it has him changing his opinion to one that more reflects the view of the nation (in his opinion). That is what politicians do.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-16-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:She speaks for the campaign, dumbass.Thats John Mccains view on the issue otherwise the advisor would have said "this is just my opinon".You're welcome.

Do you seriously think that some woman running that campaign called John McCain and said, "Say, if I get any questions Sunday about any skits on SNL, what should I tell them?"

Wait until you hear the words come out of his mouth.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-16-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Do you seriously think that some woman running that campaign called John McCain and said, "Say, if I get any questions Sunday about any skits on SNL, what should I tell them?"

Wait until you hear the words come out of his mouth.

What are the job responsibilities of a campaign spokesman?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-16-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Here's the facts regarding Obama Flip Flopping on Cuba to get Florida Votes:





I guess, like Palin, we'll wait until he gets elected to see what he really decides to do.

By the way, I don't categorize that as a flip flop (Barack's view on Cuba). I see it has him changing his opinion to one that more reflects the view of the nation (in his opinion). That is what politicians do.

I've been saying that since 2000 when you started calling Kerry a flip flopper.I guess its no big deal now that your side is doing the flip flopping.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-16-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I've been saying that since 2000 when you started calling Kerry a flip flopper.I guess its no big deal now that your side is doing the flip flopping.

What part of this do you not get. John Kerry was a flip flopper on the war just like Joe Biden is. They both voted "for" it, but then decided they were against it. Problem was, they had already gotten us into it. That's a bit late to decide that you are against a war.

No bridge was built. Obama hasn't done anything about the trade embargo on Cuba. Changing your mind before you actually do something is called changing your mind. Changing your mind after you already pulled the trigger is flip flopping.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-16-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:What part of this do you not get. John Kerry was a flip flopper on the war just like Joe Biden is. They both voted "for" it, but then decided they were against it. Problem was, they had already gotten us into it. That's a bit late to decide that you are against a war.

No bridge was built. Obama hasn't done anything about the trade embargo on Cuba. Changing your mind before you actually do something is called changing your mind. Changing your mind after you already pulled the trigger is flip flopping.

Telling people to vote for her because she will build them a bridge like Palin did seems to me like she commited, aka pulled the trigger on the project.So set me straight, did she lie to those people who voted for her based on that or did she flip flop?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-16-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Telling people to vote for her because she will build them a bridge like Palin did seems to me like she commited, aka pulled the trigger on the project.So set me straight, did she lie to those people who voted for her based on that or did she flip flop?

Man, you are grasping at nothing here.

If you want to dive into some meat, check out Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis. Holy Shit! She sounds like Louis Farrakhan.

Michelle Obama Wrote:“There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. “

“By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.”

A "Separationist"? That's a good term for someone who wants to now be someone that brings everyone together.

Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 responded out of 400 who were asked for input.

The conclusion of the thesis is alarming. Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni helps her understand that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. She laments that only 1/3 say they are more comfortable around black people than white people.

But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin.

Michelle Obama Wrote:“I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”

I see now why they go to that Reverend White's church. Holy fucking shit!

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-16-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Telling people to vote for her because she will build them a bridge like Palin did seems to me like she commited, aka pulled the trigger on the project.So set me straight, did she lie to those people who voted for her based on that or did she flip flop?

You mean they built the bridge? I'm sorry, I thought they decided to spend the money on other infrastructure and the bridge never got built. I also thought I heard that she had an 80% approval rating in Alaska. She must have really pissed them off over flip flopping on that bridge.

You should probably find a brick wall somewhere and stand in front of it and talk about the bridge to nowhere.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-16-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:You mean they built the bridge? I'm sorry, I thought they decided to spend the money on other infrastructure and the bridge never got built. I also thought I heard that she had an 80% approval rating in Alaska. She must have really pissed them off over flip flopping on that bridge.

You should probably find a brick wall somewhere and stand in front of it and talk about the bridge to nowhere.

Why not answer my question about if she lied to the people she told to vote for her because those people werent living in "no where" and she'd build that bridge for them?Does her word matter or not?This is her promising them she'd build it.



Is getting people to vote for you based on one issue and then changing your mind when the political winds blow the other way a courageous thing to do?


Please never bring up her apporval rating again.Alaskans get almost 3 grand a year in goverment stipends for oil and she cut taxes to the point where they were getting almost 5 to 6 grand from her.Is that feasable in the rest of the country?She's popular like Putins popular.As long as peoples pockets are lined.

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