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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Anhil8tor - 09-12-2008

I didn't say he was good... I said he wasn't to blame for our economy. A recession is coming no matter what. The immediate satisfaction that most of America has enjoyed has caused people to live beyond their means. That is why so many people are losing their houses. I wonder how many people have credit card bills more than their yearly salary? Its a terrible situation to be in for whomever wins the next presidency. Its not something that will get cleaned up in four years.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-12-2008

Anhil8tor Wrote:I didn't say he was good... I said he wasn't to blame for our economy. A recession is coming no matter what. The immediate satisfaction that most of America has enjoyed has caused people to live beyond their means. That is why so many people are losing their houses. I wonder how many people have credit card bills more than their yearly salary? Its a terrible situation to be in for whomever wins the next presidency. Its not something that will get cleaned up in four years.

I think the starting point was did Bush leave the country better off for your kids.You said yes,I and 70% of americans strongly disagree.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - snarg - 09-12-2008

he is stupitter than i even imagined

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-12-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Palin has no idea what the Bush doctrine is.None.She's ready to be president?I have to secretly think you Gopers are ashamed at what you have to defend.Lets elect another president who doesnt sweat the details.That worked well the last 8 years.

http://gawker.com/5048884/worst-of-sarah-palins-first-interview

What? You don't like her because she doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is? I thought you were the guy accusing her and McCain of being 4 more years of the same?

I would think that you would be glad to have someone in there that doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is. Proves she's an outsider.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-12-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I think the starting point was did Bush leave the country better off for your kids.You said yes,I and 70% of americans strongly disagree.

Bird, what is the approval rating right now for the Democratic Congress?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-12-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:If you think Bush has been a good president than theres nothing I can do for you.You're like the pro vietnam war people during the 60's.

You talking about Lyndon Johnson?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Anhil8tor - 09-12-2008

snarg Wrote:he is stupitter than i even imagined

I love the fact that you have resorted to name calling on a forum pop. None of this discussion is going to change either of our minds. More than likely Obama will win and he'll blame Bush for all the problems of america because he can't fix them.

My main point of contention with Obama is he wants a socialist government. He wants everyone on the same playing field no matter how hard you work, whether you get educated or anything. You guys are being ignorant to those facts. He wants to give tax credits to those that he considers to be poor and take it from those that he considers to be rich. Thats just plain retarded any way you cut it.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-12-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Bird, what is the approval rating right now for the Democratic Congress?

Its 17% but I bet you didnt know the average approval rating for individual congressmen in their home state is above 60%.How can that be?Its because people need someone to blame and they've already blamed the president.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-12-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:You talking about Lyndon Johnson?

Yea.He was wrong.We all look back and go what were they thinking, right?You guys are those people.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-12-2008

Anhil8tor Wrote:I love the fact that you have resorted to name calling on a forum pop. None of this discussion is going to change either of our minds. More than likely Obama will win and he'll blame Bush for all the problems of america because he can't fix them.

My main point of contention with Obama is he wants a socialist government. He wants everyone on the same playing field no matter how hard you work, whether you get educated or anything. You guys are being ignorant to those facts. He wants to give tax credits to those that he considers to be poor and take it from those that he considers to be rich. Thats just plain retarded any way you cut it.

So we should tax the poor and leave the rich alone?Nice plan.How's the view from that ivory tower?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Banana - 09-12-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:So we should tax the poor and leave the rich alone?Nice plan.How's the view from that ivory tower?

I think 8 has made it abundantly clear that he cares only for the government that best serves his own personal goals.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-12-2008

Its disgusting.He'd be the first person to call FEMA for a handout if his house got hit by a hurricane.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Banana - 09-12-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Its disgusting.He'd be the first person to call FEMA for a handout if his house got hit by a hurricane.

It's myopic, for sure.

Ignorance is bliss.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-12-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:What? You don't like her because she doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is? I thought you were the guy accusing her and McCain of being 4 more years of the same?

I would think that you would be glad to have someone in there that doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is. Proves she's an outsider.

I'd like her to be aware of the foreign policy of the united states over the last 8 years.I'm not a governor and I know what it is.She doesnt have to agree with it but it would be nice if she was paying attention if we are going to trust her to make decisions that could kill us all.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-12-2008

Banana Wrote:It's myopic, for sure.

Ignorance is bliss.

Pretty much.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - who - 09-13-2008

Who scores it Bird33 15 - Flumper 2

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-13-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I'd like her to be aware of the foreign policy of the united states over the last 8 years.I'm not a governor and I know what it is.She doesnt have to agree with it but it would be nice if she was paying attention if we are going to trust her to make decisions that could kill us all.

I had no idea there was a term "Bush Doctrine" that was narrowed down to the definition that Charles Gibson described. I was thinking just like her, that he was asking her if she subscribed to the Bush Doctrine, meaning all of the things that Bush has done or believes to be the right things to do. I thought it was a setup to ask her if she was a "sheep" that would do exactly what Bush has done.

Bill Sammon is Washington Deputy Managing Editor for FOX News. Wrote:ABC News’ Charles Gibson, who is being credited with stumping Sarah Palin on the definition of the “Bush Doctrine,” has himself defined the nebulous phrase in a variety of ways, including one that mirrored Palin’s disputed explanation.

Gibson and his colleagues have been all over the map in defining the Bush Doctrine over the last seven years. In 2001, Gibson himself defined it as “a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.”

But when Palin tried to give a similar definition on Thursday, Gibson corrected her.

“I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation,” Palin said in her first interview since being nominated as the GOP’s vice presidential candidate.

Gibson countered: “The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.”

Much has been made of the fact that Palin had to ask for clarification when Gibson inquired: “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”

“In what respect, Charlie?” the Alaska governor said.

“The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be?” Gibson challenged.

“His world view?” Palin queried.

“No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war,” Gibson said.

That’s when Palin talked of ridding the world of “Islamic extremism,” prompting Gibson to define the Bush Doctrine instead as preemption.

The term “Bush Doctrine” was first coined by columnist Charles Krauthammer three months before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and has undergone profound changes as the war against terror has evolved.

“There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine,” Krauthammer noted in a forthcoming column. “In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.”

Richard Starr, managing editor of the Weekly Standard, agreed.

“Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be–and specified that he was asking a question about preemption,” Starr observed. “Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning.”

Starr pointed out that other ABC journalists, including George Stephanolous, George Will and the late Peter Jennings, have defined the Bush Doctrine on the air in a variety of ways.

Ben Smith of the Politico said the Bush Doctrine exchange was “not a great moment” for Palin. But he conceded that critics are unfairly “pouncing on Sarah Palin’s apparent unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine as last night’s gaffe.”

“This isn’t an easy question,” Smith noted. “Commentators have offered a range of meanings for the phrase, from the principle that countries that harbor terrorists are responsible for their actions to broader statements about the spread of freedom.”

Starr added: “Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists–all of these things and more have been described as the ‘Bush Doctrine.’ It was a bit of a sham on Gibson’s part to have pretended that there’s such a thing as ‘the’ Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002.”

It all sounds like just a bunch of bullshit to me.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-13-2008

who Wrote:Who scores it Bird33 15 - Flumper 2

Flumper scores it: Who = Democrat

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-13-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I had no idea there was a term "Bush Doctrine" that was narrowed down to the definition that Charles Gibson described. I was thinking just like her, that he was asking her if she subscribed to the Bush Doctrine, meaning all of the things that Bush has done or believes to be the right things to do. I thought it was a setup to ask her if she was a "sheep" that would do exactly what Bush has done.



It all sounds like just a bunch of bullshit to me.

The Bush doctrine is widely known to anyone who' read the paper in the last 8 years.Its the cornerstone of Bush's administration and vital to the understanding of how we've been dealing with the world.You want some regular joe like you running the country.This isnt a joke, this is real life with serious consequences.I can't believe your serious.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - who - 09-13-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Flumper scores it: Who = Democrat

:ct:

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