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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Then why does he say we tortured people?He says we havent.Look that up.

Smear campaign from the guy who called Obama a muslim for the first twenty pages of this thread?Give me a fucking break.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

Obama promises to pass a bill to make it mandatory that pregnancies are tested and fetuses found to suffer from a list of handicaps must be aborted within the first trimester.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Then why does he say we tortured people?He says we havent.Look that up.

Smear campaign from the guy who called Obama a muslim for the first twenty pages of this thread?Give me a fucking break.

Are you so fucking retarded that you think that McCain doesn't think we have tortured any prisoners or terrorists during interrogations? You've lost your fucking mind.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Find one direct quote from John McCain that says that he thinks that waterboarding is okay.

Then find me one quote from Obama where he says that he will eliminate ALL forms of torture used during interrogations by the CIA, military, or any other branch of the US government.

Mccain is playing a game with this.He knows we waterboarded people because its been leaked out but won't say Americans are guilty of torture because "officially" we've never aknowledged it so we quoting bush "don't reveal our interrogation techniques".He know shit has gone down but is dancining around it because a majority of the GOP is ok with waterboarding and he doesnt want to lose his base.


Obama is on record saying we will return to abiding by the Geneva Convention.Thats all he has to say.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Obama promises to pass a bill to make it mandatory that pregnancies are tested and fetuses found to suffer from a list of handicaps must be aborted within the first trimester.


I guess this falshood is supposed to be a smear too?wow you really proved your point, guy who called obama a muslim for the first 6 months of this campaign.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Are you so fucking retarded that you think that McCain doesn't think we have tortured any prisoners or terrorists during interrogations? You've lost your fucking mind.

Flumper $25 if you can find one quote where he says we tortured people during interrogations.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Heres the bill Mccain voted against that would have banned the CIA from using waterboarding.What now flumper?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00022





http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/14/mccain-opposes-torturing-americans/
As he did today, McCain has condemned waterboarding in the past. He has called it a “horrible torture technique” and a “terrible and odious practice” that “should never be condoned in the U.S.” Yet in February, McCain voted against a bill banning the CIA from using torture, specifically including waterboarding.

When the bill passed, McCain encouraged Bush to veto it — effectively supporting the CIA’s use of “stress positions, hypothermia, threats to the detainee and his family, severe sleep deprivation, and severe sensory deprivation.”

The only thing McCain has been “very clear” on is his completely uncontroversial — and completely irrelevant — opposition to the torturing of Americans. Like Bush, will McCain claim that “America does not torture” and yet condone torture behind closed doors?

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Then why does he say we tortured people?He says we havent.Look that up.

Smear campaign from the guy who called Obama a muslim for the first twenty pages of this thread?Give me a fucking break.

[vbtube]GbQLuZ28EEM[/vbtube]

Bird if you want to know McCain's position on torture out of his own mouth, watch that video.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Heres the bill Mccain voted against that would have banned the CIA from using waterboarding.What now flumper?

Do you know why he voted against that bill? It had nothing to do with waterboarding which he is VERY VEHEMENTLY against. Watch the video.

He voted against that bill because it was going to impose the same rules onto the CIA that is on the military. And would take away some latitude that they have. Write this part down. He opposes waterboarding.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIrd when you get through watching that short video, let me know what you think McCain's position is on torture and whether you think that he believes we have ever tortured anyone. Thanks.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:[vbtube]GbQLuZ28EEM[/vbtube]

Bird if you want to know McCain's position on torture out of his own mouth, watch that video.


Words are just words if they arent backed up with action like voting against torture.Has a politician ever said one thing and done the opposite before?He had a chance to ban it but never did.


You don't understand the backround here.Bush tortured people and violated american principals and laws.The GOP can't have a president going down on war crimes so they now support torture for their own parties gain.Sickening isnt it?Well Mccain is trying to win the nomination of the same party so he can't be against his own party on this issue and get to be the nominee so he had to ignore his own core beliefs.I'm sure mccain is really against torture but he has yet to make it illegal when he had the chance.

Question for you flumper.How do you feel being a part of the party that thinks waterboarding is ok?

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:BIrd when you get through watching that short video, let me know what you think McCain's position is on torture and whether you think that he believes we have ever tortured anyone. Thanks.


Why didnt he vote against using torture when he had the chance?Are you this gullible that one sentence from the guy and you're a believer?

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

I love how you thought you got me by quoting him and then his voting record doesnt match up with his quote.Classic!

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Flumper $25 if you can find one quote where he says we tortured people during interrogations.

[vbtube]J5YswiNuEVo[/vbtube]

Send my $25 to cLaY so he can forward it on to Barak.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Question for you flumper.How do you feel being a part of the party that thinks waterboarding is ok?

How stupid do you feel accusing mccain of being in favor of waterboarding and other forms of torture when clearly he is the most outspoken candidate on this topic in this election?

You look like you have no fucking idea what you are doing. Stop watching the idsuckobamasdick.com sites to get your political information.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIRD now that you have seen actual pictures of John McCain giving his position on waterboarding and whether American soldiers have tortured people, answer two questions for me.

1. Does John McCain favor waterboarding?

2. Does John McCain think that the US has ever tortured anyone?

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:[vbtube]J5YswiNuEVo[/vbtube]

Send my $25 to cLaY so he can forward it on to Barak.

PM the address I'll send the 25$.I love that John Mccain.The current one is not the same guy.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 09-04-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:PM the address I'll send the 25$.I love that John Mccain.The current one is not the same guy.

He is very definitely the same guy. You are getting twisted facts from some liberal spin campaign if you think otherwise.

McCain was tortured himself for 6 years. That is one topic that he is pretty dead set about.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 09-04-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:He is very definitely the same guy. You are getting twisted facts from some liberal spin campaign if you think otherwise.

McCain was tortured himself for 6 years. That is one topic that he is pretty dead set about.

You are correct but saying and doing are two different things.You say he didnt vote to outlaw torture because it would take away some latitude for the CIA.What the fuck does that mean?How so?Is this latitude worth the fact that people from other countries can still say America tortures people?Take a look at who voted against that bill.Only two republican voted to outlaw torture.It was all based on party lines because the Bush white house can't have it outlawed because they are in danger of going down for war crimes.Mccain could have taken a principled stand but didnt.Until he does its all words.

I'll wager another $25 he never brings it up tonight.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Anhil8tor - 09-04-2008

we should torture people...