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Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-02-2010
Does the same entity run FEMA and the MMS?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-02-2010
Anhil8tor Wrote:Does the same entity run FEMA and the MMS?
You are fixing to get yourself run out of another thread.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-02-2010
Seriously.8 take it easy.The white rage will be the end of you here.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-02-2010
Sorry guys.
No rage here bird.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-02-2010
Yea none.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-02-2010
Seriously bro there is none. I'm going to make it regardless.... some of my friends however won't.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-02-2010
Is it the guilt of being involved in the industry thats hurting your friends thats making you lash out at Obama?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-02-2010
The ones that are hurting are in this industry. Most of my city is built around this industry. Most of the coast of Louisiana depends on this industry. I have no guilt. I'm ready to start drilling again..get all the rigs up to specs and follow through on inspections. Lets get drilling again.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-03-2010
Anhil8tor Wrote:The ones that are hurting are in this industry. Most of my city is built around this industry. Most of the coast of Louisiana depends on this industry. I have no guilt. I'm ready to start drilling again..get all the rigs up to specs and follow through on inspections. Lets get drilling again.
I know you want to protect your oil business co workers and I get that but theres no way to guarantee something like this wouldnt happen again.What about your fishing business buddies?Do you think they would think its wise to drill this deep again without some kind of reassurance that we've figured out how this current disaster happened and we have technology available to fix it right away if something goes bad on the next rig?Right now seems like a terrible time to start new drilling.This isnt me being anti-oil although I'm sure you'll interpret it that way but its more like common sense.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-03-2010
Honestly they are the ones getting hit the hardest. Think about the hurricanes that came through here the last 5 years or so. Katrina, Rita, Gustav, Ike... they got hammered again, over and over. Most of them picked up and went back to work after. They didn't wait for the government to come in and help... they got up and did what they knew. Work, work, work.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-03-2010
Anhil8tor Wrote:Honestly they are the ones getting hit the hardest. Think about the hurricanes that came through here the last 5 years or so. Katrina, Rita, Gustav, Ike... they got hammered again, over and over. Most of them picked up and went back to work after. They didn't wait for the government to come in and help... they got up and did what they knew. Work, work, work.
You never answered my question.I work too.I don't deserve a medal.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-03-2010
The technology was there. It failed. They are investigating why it failed. My guess would be shared responsibility. The MMS, BP, Halliburton and Transocean are going to share the blame for ignoring warning signs.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-03-2010
Anhil8tor Wrote:The technology was there. It failed. They are investigating why it failed. My guess would be shared responsibility. The MMS, BP, Halliburton and Transocean are going to share the blame for ignoring warning signs.
Without the technology being fool proof today how can you want to start drilling before it is?That seems reckless.Again I'm not against drilling but you can't seriously say we should start new drilling right now.
Also did you see how Sarah Palin is saying "Drill baby drill" only pertained to places on land like Anwar.Did you know that cause I didnt.I thought "Drill baby, drill" was for drilling everywhere oceans included.Is she full of shit on this?
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Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-03-2010
I found some facts for you:
Suspension of operations means roughly 33 floating drilling rigs – typically leased for hundreds of thousands of dollars per day – will be idled for six months or longer.
$250,000 to $500,000 per day, per rig – results in roughly $8,250,000 to $16,500,000 per day in costs for idle rigs;
Secondary impacts include:
• Supply boats – 2 boats per rig with day rates of $15,000/day per boat - $30,000/day for 33 rigs – nearly $1 million/day
• Impacts to other supplies and related support services (i.e., welders, divers, caterers, transportation, etc.)
Jobs –
Each drilling platform averages 90 to 140 employees at any one time (2 shifts per day), and 180 to 280 for 2 2-week shifts
Each E&P job supports 4 other positions
Therefore, 800 to 1400 jobs per idle rig platform are at risk
Wages for those jobs average $1,804/weekly; potential for lost wages is huge, over $5 to $10 million for 1 month – per platform.
Wages lost could be over $165 to $330 million/month for all 33 platforms
Secondary impacts: Many offshore workers live in Louisiana. The state is going to see a decrease in income taxes and sales taxes that would normally be paid by those employees. (The state does not collect a sales tax on oilfield supplies and equipment used offshore.)
The 33 gulf wells where operations are suspended were the ones inspected immediately after the Deepwater Horizon blowout (per Interior Secretary Ken Salazar); in those inspections, “only minor problems were found on a couple of rigs”.
From the Department of Interior report.....
In the period from 1971 through 2009, a total of approximately 1,800 barrels was spilled on the Federal OCS as a result of blowout events. Of that amount, 425 barrels were blowouts resulting from hurricane damage. An additional 450 barrels occurred at an oil pump during production operations.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-03-2010
None of that is worth the potential disaster.Not just oil workers are out of business right now due to the environmental disaster.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-03-2010
How do we determine potential disasters? The next plane crash.. should we shut down the airlines? The next automobile crash with fatalities.. do we ban anyone from driving? The next person that kills someone while drunk.. do we quit selling alcohol?
What has killed more people in the last 10 years.... oil rigs or car crashes?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-03-2010
Anhil8tor Wrote:How do we determine potential disasters? The next plane crash.. should we shut down the airlines? The next automobile crash with fatalities.. do we ban anyone from driving? The next person that kills someone while drunk.. do we quit selling alcohol?
What has killed more people in the last 10 years.... oil rigs or car crashes?
How you determine if something is worth doing is a cost\benefit analysis.I'm not saying we should shut all oil rigs down forever.What I am saying is if there is no technology to fix a leak we should reevaluate if its worth starting up new rigs until we know how to fix them.Talk to your fishermen buddies.I bet they agree 100%.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-03-2010
they have 33 floating drilling rigs working in the gulf of mexico every day? you have got to be shitting me. I wonder how many days it takes for one rig to drill and complete one well?
Talked to some friends yesterday... - Anhil8tor - 06-03-2010
LOUISIANA MID-CONTINENT
OIL AND GAS ASSOCIATION
Impacts of
President Obama’s Order Halting Work on 33 Exploratory Wells
in the Deepwater Gulf of Mexico
The Presidential Order does not affect the 4,515 shallow-water wells, and it does not affect 591 producing deepwater Gulf wells.
Roughly 33% of nation’s domestically produced oil comes from the Gulf of Mexico, and 10% of the nation’s natural gas.
80% of the Gulf’s oil, and 45% of its natural gas comes from operations in more than 1000 feet of water – the deepwater (2009 data).
Suspension of operations means roughly 33 floating drilling rigs – typically leased for hundreds of thousands of dollars per day – will be idled for six months or longer.
$250,000 to $500,000 per day, per rig – results in roughly $8,250,000 to $16,500,000 per day in costs for idle rigs;
Secondary impacts include:
• Supply boats – 2 boats per rig with day rates of $15,000/day per boat - $30,000/day for 33 rigs – nearly $1 million/day
• Impacts to other supplies and related support services (i.e., welders, divers, caterers, transportation, etc.)
Jobs –
Each drilling platform averages 90 to 140 employees at any one time (2 shifts per day), and 180 to 280 for 2 2-week shifts
Each E&P job supports 4 other positions
Therefore, 800 to 1400 jobs per idle rig platform are at risk
Wages for those jobs average $1,804/weekly; potential for lost wages
is huge, over $5 to $10 million for 1 month – per platform.
Wages lost could be over $165 to $330 million/month for all 33
platforms
Secondary impacts: Many offshore workers live in Louisiana. The state is
going to see a decrease in income taxes and sales taxes that would normally
be paid by those employees. (The state does not collect a sales tax on
oilfield supplies and equipment used offshore.)
Companies Impacted:
Oil Companies Impacted -
Shell has seven (7) exploratory wells that will be impacted
Others include:
Chevron (4)
Anadarko (3)
Marathon (2)
Noble Energy (2)
Eni US Operating Co. (2)
ATP Oil & Gas (2)
Statoil (2)
ExxonMobil (1)
Petrobras America (1)
BHP (1)
BP (1)
Kerr McGee (1)
Murphy (1)
LLOG (1)
Newfield (1)
Hess (1)
The 33 gulf wells where operations are suspended were the ones inspected
immediately after the Deepwater Horizon blowout (per Interior Secretary
Ken Salazar); in those inspections, “only minor problems were found on a
couple of rigs”. Salazar believes “additional safety measures can be taken
including dealing with cementing and casing of wells and significant
enhancements and redundancies of blowout prevention mechanisms.
Although these rigs passed the inspections, we will look at standards that
are in place.”
Longer term impacts include -
Idle drilling rigs in the Gulf could mean that they will be contracted overseas for work in other locations, and if/when the halt is lifted, rigs will not be available for completing the work in the Gulf.
Loss of tolls on LA Highway 1 resulting from loss of traffic related to deepwater operations; tolls go directly to retiring the bond debt for construction of LA Highway 1 improvements, and if those tolls are lost, the state of Louisiana – as the other responsible party on the bonds - will have to pay to retire that debt, meaning loss of funding for some other programs in the state’s budget.
A 6-month halt in new drilling would defer 80,000 barrels/day, or 4% of 2011 deepwater Gulf of Mexico production. (Wood MacKenzie)
Higher drilling costs might jeopardize exploration in frontier areas. More immediately, estimates are that seven current discoveries could be rendered sub-economic, putting U.S. $7.6 billion in future government revenues at risk. Proposals to increase the cap on oil companies’ liability for oil spill damages to U.S. $10 billion could exclude U.S. independents from offshore Gulf of Mexico activities. (Wood MacKenzie)
Since these wells are not yet producing, there is no decrease in the available oil supply. However, it could lead to a decrease in the availability of domestic oil, and it is hard to tell how commodity speculators are going to respond over the next six months; there is the possibility for driving oil prices to levels well over $100 per barrel.
Prepared May 28, 2010, based on most recent data available; will be updated as needed.
Talked to some friends yesterday... - BIRD33 - 06-03-2010
Can you go on the gulf fishermens association website and post the amount of losses those people are sustaining.Using a trade organization for stats is basically posting propaganda.