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Do you think religion - BIRD33 - 02-18-2009
Flumper could a human baby learn whats right and what is wrong without some form of religious guidance?
I don't think people were evil before religion came along.
Do you think religion - Banana - 02-18-2009
One theory of morality suggests that it's linked with cognitive development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development
Do you think religion - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-18-2009
BIRD33 Wrote:Flumper could a human baby learn whats right and what is wrong without some form of religious guidance?
I don't think people were evil before religion came along.
well, i think that they could definitely develop some ideas of what they think are acceptable in order for a group to get along without too many problems. But I think it would depend on the child and his or her natural tendancies. I do believe that some kids are born more aggressive and prone to bad behavior. Even a mental disorder untreated could cause a child to do things that might otherwise seem to be unacceptable.
So, I guess my answer would be that I do believe that some type of accepted rules of interaction and behavior would develop, but I would not say that they would mirror the same things that religion teaches. At least not in the early stages.
Charles Manson made the rules for his "family" to live by. That worked out well.
Do you think religion - Banana - 02-18-2009
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:well, i think that they could definitely develop some ideas of what they think are acceptable in order for a group to get along without too many problems. But I think it would depend on the child and his or her natural tendancies. I do believe that some kids are born more aggressive and prone to bad behavior. Even a mental disorder untreated could cause a child to do things that might otherwise seem to be unacceptable.
This is true regardless of religion.
Flumper Wrote:So, I guess my answer would be that I do believe that some type of accepted rules of interaction and behavior would develop, but I would not say that they would mirror the same things that religion teaches. At least not in the early stages.
Charles Manson made the rules for his "family" to live by. That worked out well.
We can't generalize from one example. Surely, you can admit there are countless examples are very religious people who do evil things?
Do you think religion - Banana - 02-18-2009
Interesting http://unreasonablefaith.com/2008/12/15/santa-vs-god/
Do you think religion - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-18-2009
Cucumber Wrote:This is true regardless of religion.
We can't generalize from one example. Surely, you can admit there are countless examples are very religious people who do evil things?
Probably best to keep it simply on the concept of what is moral and what is immoral.
I believe, that by definition, religion has to be involved to distinguish between the two. Otherwise, what can you use to label something one or the other?
Do you think religion - Banana - 02-18-2009
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Probably best to keep it simply on the concept of what is moral and what is immoral.
I believe, that by definition, religion has to be involved to distinguish between the two. Otherwise, what can you use to label something one or the other?
Option #1 -
Cucumber Wrote:One theory of morality suggests that it's linked with cognitive development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development
Option #2 - Intrinsic motivation
Option #3 - I think you are talking more about Divine Law?
Do you think religion - Paddy - 02-18-2009
There's nothing I like better than a good pray.
Do you think religion - Vitamin E - 02-18-2009
Cucumber Wrote:One theory of morality suggests that it's linked with cognitive development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development
I clicked the link expecting to see Suzy Kolber's hot ass.
Boner killer!
Do you think religion - BIRD33 - 02-18-2009
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Probably best to keep it simply on the concept of what is moral and what is immoral.
I believe, that by definition, religion has to be involved to distinguish between the two. Otherwise, what can you use to label something one or the other?
Were people inherently evil before religion came along?
I hate to break this to you but man is probably the one who created religion in the first place.
Do you think religion - Banana - 02-18-2009
Flumper, because the thread is about religion, and you seem to be asserting that our moral conscious perhaps comes from religious beliefs and teachings, can I conclude that you think the bible should be used as a moral handbook?
ETA: :eek: in case the answer is yes.
Do you think religion - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-18-2009
BIRD33 Wrote:Were people inherently evil before religion came along?
I hate to break this to you but man is probably the one who created religion in the first place.
No, I definitely think that man created relgion in the first place. It evolved over long periods of time. Which would be expected. Lots of time, lots of cultures, and lots of overlaps from people brought together with different backgrounds. It was an evolution created and controled by man.
I'm just saying that since the evolution of religion, that those values and morals have been used to pretty much dictate everything since.
Even our own constitution was written by Freemanson's using the principles of masonry, which are basically the principles of religion.
I just think that in today's world its pretty much impossible to differentiate morals and religion.
Do you think religion - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-18-2009
Cucumber Wrote:Flumper, because the thread is about religion, and you seem to be asserting that our moral conscious perhaps comes from religious beliefs and teachings, can I conclude that you think the bible should be used as a moral handbook?
ETA: :eek: in case the answer is yes.
No, I don't think the bible can be used as a moral handbook. If it was written a little easier to read, it could probably be used as a reference book to go to for help in determining what is good behavior and what is bad behavior.
But since it has so many different ways to "interpret" the meanings of lots of what it says, it would be difficult to use in any kind of literal sense.
Do you think religion - BIRD33 - 02-18-2009
Fair enough.Its a chicken or the egg debate at this point.I choose to believe since we created religion we also without religious influences created morals.
Do you think religion - Banana - 02-18-2009
I think many Christians are taught a warped version of morality. This warped version starts with the false premise that God is moral and anything God does in then moral. So, you take immoral acts and twist them into supposedly moral stories.
Humans are moral because morality is innate. Studies have been done asking atheists vs religious people morality questions (from industrialized countries to tribes that have no religion at all and with little influence by Western society), and consistently morality comes up the same between the two groups.
Do you think religion - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-18-2009
Cucumber Wrote:I think many Christians are taught a warped version of morality. This warped version starts with the false premise that God is moral and anything God does in then moral. So, you take immoral acts and twist them into supposedly moral stories.
Humans are moral because morality is innate. Studies have been done asking atheists vs religious people morality questions (from industrialized countries to tribes that have no religion at all and with little influence by Western society), and consistently morality comes up the same between the two groups.
Personally, the only thing that I think religion does is allow people to attach punishments to not following the moral principles that relgion teaches. It uses the scare tactics of going to hell as a deterent for not abiding.
Do you think religion - Banana - 02-18-2009
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Personally, the only thing that I think religion does is allow people to attach punishments to not following the moral principles that relgion teaches. It uses the scare tactics of going to hell as a deterent for not abiding.
I agree. But then, that is not morality. Say a person wants to murder someone. But doesn't want to go to jail for 25 years. So, he doesn't murder, not because he is moral, but because he is motivated to avoid punishment.
Do you think religion - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-18-2009
Cucumber Wrote:I agree. But then, that is not morality. Say a person wants to murder someone. But doesn't want to go to jail for 25 years. So, he doesn't murder, not because he is moral, but because he is motivated to avoid punishment.
Well, that is because people are not all naturally "good" according to accepted morals and standards. They can be taught what the accepted behaviors are, but unless punishments are attached, they will not always abide by them. So in an effort to minimize the people that fail to abide by the accepted morals, society creates punishments to deter the ones that chose not to play by the rules.
Do you think religion - BIRD33 - 02-18-2009
A Cut above the Rest?: Wrinkle Treatment Uses Babies' Foreskins
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-cut-above-the-rest-wrin
Time to get off your moral high horse, cucumber.
Do you think religion - BIRD33 - 02-18-2009
Fun fact:In Arkansas Atheists are barred from holding public office.
Below is long over due.Who hasnt needed to bust a cap at church but wasnt allowed to have one on them?
"Due to many shootings that have happened in our churches across our nation, it is time we changed our concealed handgun law to allow law-abiding citizens of the state of Arkansas the right to defend themselves and others should a situation happen in one of our churches," said state Rep. Beverly Pyle.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2009/02/an_advocate_for_atheists_in_ar.html