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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008
cLaY Wrote:Why would Edwards be off the table? I think he's a respectable canidate, he just has two power houses in front of him.
The Oprah thing was a joke...
Al Gore??? He'd get him votes. Sebilius was rumored to be a choice for Kerry.
Edwards has no substance.He was in the senate for 2 years.The more I see him the more I see a good salesmen.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:1.guiliani thought he couldnt win in New Hampshire or Iowa so he just focused on the South like Florida and South Carolina because those hicks taking it to muslims.The problem was thats all there was with him.His own kids don't speak to him and I bet a year ago most down there didnt know he was pro gay,pro abortion.
2.If Obama is the guy what is the highest place a clinton could occupy if not for vice president?She'll do anything to keep a small grip on the party in the most visible spot possible possibly setting up a run after obama's done.Also don't get the assasination factor for Obama, most likely someones taking a shot at him and then she's instantly president.
3.Jim Webb or Hillary.
That's scary and true. Guy had to hire secret service first month into his bid. What a sad, fucked up nation this is.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-30-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:Edwards has no substance.He was in the senate for 2 years.The more I see him the more I see a good salesmen.
McCain takes Florida. He's going to be the GOP nominee. Guiliani will bow out before Super Tuesday.
You predicted a year ago, a McCain/Guilianni ticket. That is still feasible.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008
It is but just looking at how weak guiliani is finishing its tough to see right now.
Mccain could go Huckabee to lock up the conservative base.
Romney still has a chance albeit a slim one.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - quint - 01-30-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:It is but just looking at how weak guiliani is finishing its tough to see right now.
Mccain could go Huckabee to lock up the conservative base.
Romney still has a chance albeit a slim one.
depends on how much of his (Romney's) he wants to spend
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-30-2008
i bet gulianni bows out tomorrow and throws his support to McCain.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:i bet gulianni bows out tomorrow and throws his support to McCain.
...or tonight?
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-30-2008
Edwards drops out today. I wonder when he will throw his support to one of the two and who it will be?
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008
Edwards not endorsing anyone helps Clinton.He wants to have some say when it comes down to the convention.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-30-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:Edwards not endorsing anyone helps Clinton.He wants to have some say when it comes down to the convention.
Seems like he would have hung on through Super Tuesday and gotten a few dozen more delegates. I think there are over 1,000 delegates that go that day. He might have gotten a hundred or more. He'd have had a little bigger hand to deal at the convention if things are still close.
This democratic thing is back and forth though. Now I'm sensing more momentum in the clinton side of things. I have a weird feeling that Super Tuesday could be big for her.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Seems like he would have hung on through Super Tuesday and gotten a few dozen more delegates. I think there are over 1,000 delegates that go that day. He might have gotten a hundred or more. He'd have had a little bigger hand to deal at the convention if things are still close.
This democratic thing is back and forth though. Now I'm sensing more momentum in the clinton side of things. I have a weird feeling that Super Tuesday could be big for her.
He's not favored to win or come in second in any state on super tuesday so sticking around for that and being totally embarrased by the results would hurt his clout going into the convention where he could play kingmaker.
I still think Clinton gets the nomination.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-31-2008
Ha. Just reading an online article about Edwards dropping out of the race. He stopped at a bridge overpass in New Orleans and got out and talked to about 100 homeless people that live under the bridge. He promised them that Obama and Clinton have both pledged to him that they will make helping the poor the focus of their campaigns. He said their cause was his only concern in life and he will continue to fight for their plight.
Dude gets $400 haircuts. :lool:
Anyway, it appears Obama is the early beneficiary of Edwards quitting. So far he picked up more delegates than Hillary because of it, and three Super Delegates that can pick their own person at the convention have already formally switched from Edwards to Obama.
I can't wait until Tuesday night.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-31-2008
Quote: "The conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama will pick up maybe 60 percent of them, and in some places, that makes a huge difference," former presidential adviser David Gergen said.
Time magazine journalist Joe Klein said, "I don't think he endorses Hillary Clinton. The question is whether or not he endorses Barack Obama."
Klein contends Clinton "represents a lot of the things that [Edwards] campaigned against, you know, the old Washington Democratic establishment that he believes got too close to the corporations in the '90s."
Edwards had campaigned on the message that he was standing up for the little guy, the people who are not traditionally given a voice in Washington, and that he would do more to fight special interests.
Bird, I don't like seeing you say that Clinton gets the nomination...
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-31-2008
cLaY Wrote:Bird, I don't like seeing you say that Clinton gets the nomination...
He's not saying it because he wants her to win, but just following the news and how things are falling into place, plus knowing that she's probably got a much better machine in place running her campaign, it sort of adds up to her getting the nomination. Tuesday should begin to tell the story.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-31-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:He's not saying it because he wants her to win, but just following the news and how things are falling into place, plus knowing that she's probably got a much better machine in place running her campaign, it sort of adds up to her getting the nomination. Tuesday should begin to tell the story.
I kind of think her parading Bill around South Carolina while she was off in other states might have turned some off. She's also gonna have some negativity thrown her way after she campaigned Florida...that didnt make much sense to me.
Its gonna be hard for to rely on the Hispanic vote as well after Kennedy's got behind Obama. That will be big in California. I think she gets New York more than likely.
We'll see, I'm nervous as hell about this one. I'll be bummed if Obama doesn't get it.
Tell me how it works, does everything get decided by next Tuesday?
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - snarg - 01-31-2008
this is very impressive:
a political debate among tweety, dumbo, and the bushman
where is the photo of the short bus kids having a food fight when you need it
stay tuned as the campaign heats up
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-31-2008
cLaY Wrote:Tell me how it works, does everything get decided by next Tuesday?
Well, I don't know the exact numbers, but to "win" the nomination a Dem candidate needs about 2050 delegate votes at the convention. Right now they have about 200 each (Obama and Clinton). Next Tuesday, if you add up all of the states that have primaries on that day, there are a total of around 1100 delegates that they will split up depending on how they fare. 60% of the vote in a state gets 60% of that states delegates, etc.
So, no it won't sew it up, but the problem is, if one of them pulls into a major lead, then the other one begins to have HUGE problems raising money (ie Edwards right now, which is why he is dropping out). If neither one of them has 2050 (?) delegates by the convention, then they begin to campaign for delegates to change their votes. Edwards will still have a few (around 50) that he can swing either way if he wants.
I think this is how it works. I might have a few mistakes and some states are different than others. But I think they get the proportion of delegates based on the % of votes they get.
The larger populace states have more delegates. California and New York have tons. So does Florida. Also Texas, but Texas doesn't go next Tuesday. They are much later.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-31-2008
cLaY Wrote:Bird, I don't like seeing you say that Clinton gets the nomination...
She's "from" New York and her and bill are rockstars in california so if she loses
one of those thats a monumental upset.She's going to win pennsylvania so if she gets both NY and CA then she's taking the whole thing.
Its not impossible but odds are against Obama.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-31-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:She's "from" New York and her and bill are rockstars in california so if she loses
one of those thats a monumental upset.She's going to win pennsylvania so if she gets both NY and CA then she's taking the whole thing.
Its not impossible but odds are against Obama.
If Obama took NY that would be laughter heard round the world.
So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-31-2008
I'm watching hillary get interviewed on Nightline. Its hard to hear with my finger stuck all of the way down my throat. Fuck!