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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 04-24-2008

It would be tough for her to reconcile her past criticisms against him with now being on his ticket but I think her and Bill are masters of bullshit so they could get it done.I think it would be a lock if they did get together.He'll bring in independents and she'll bring in women.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - who - 04-24-2008

who Wrote:In Florida for the primary neither hillary nor barack ran any campaign ads
BIRD33 Wrote:Because it didnt count.great post.

Really?

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 04-24-2008

who Wrote:Really?


Fuck you queer bait.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - who - 04-25-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Fuck you queer bait.


No Bird Fuck You, Philadelphia faggot you give Pennsylvania queers a bad name

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 05-05-2008

North Carolina (134 delegates up for grabs):

Obama 53% = 71 delegates
Clinton 47% = 63 delegates

Indiana (84 delegates up for grabs):

Clinton 54% = 45 delegates
Obama 46% = 39 delegates

In the end, Obama gains 110 delegates and Clinton 108 delegates.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 05-05-2008

Did you see where some head honcho Democratic Party leader has switched his support from Hillary to Obama. He's some long time Clinton ally and was the head of the Democratic Party for several years.

Anyway, I heard him say that he switched after lots of careful studying of the two candidates. He said what finally convinced him to switch in favor of Obama were two things that he did last week.

1. He came out AGAINST the idea of a tax free summer on gasoline. Apparantely McCain and Hillary are touting removing some 18 cent tax from gasoline this summer to help the working class since they have to drive so far to work. I haven't heard Obama's reasoning for being against it, but I think he says its just a political hocus pocus thing and won't solve anything.

2. He completely disowned that crazy reverend. The guy said that he was impressed with the candid and plain language that Obama used to say that he was no longer associated with his "former" pastor.

Apparantly both of these issues though are going to hurt him this week though. I love you.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-05-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:North Carolina (134 delegates up for grabs):

Obama 53% = 71 delegates
Clinton 47% = 63 delegates

Indiana (84 delegates up for grabs):

Clinton 54% = 45 delegates
Obama 46% = 39 delegates

In the end, Obama gains 110 delegates and Clinton 108 delegates.

He's got to win one of the two.Indiana is looking grim so Carolina is what he needs.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-05-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Did you see where some head honcho Democratic Party leader has switched his support from Hillary to Obama. He's some long time Clinton ally and was the head of the Democratic Party for several years.

Anyway, I heard him say that he switched after lots of careful studying of the two candidates. He said what finally convinced him to switch in favor of Obama were two things that he did last week.

1. He came out AGAINST the idea of a tax free summer on gasoline. Apparantely McCain and Hillary are touting removing some 18 cent tax from gasoline this summer to help the working class since they have to drive so far to work. I haven't heard Obama's reasoning for being against it, but I think he says its just a political hocus pocus thing and won't solve anything.

2. He completely disowned that crazy reverend. The guy said that he was impressed with the candid and plain language that Obama used to say that he was no longer associated with his "former" pastor.

Apparantly both of these issues though are going to hurt him this week though. I love you.

Gas tax suspension is a joke.Is saving a couple hundred bucks over the summer going to help when you're paying 5 bucks a gallon next year?I give him credit for being realistic and not pandering.

The reverand stuff will be tough to get past.I believe thats the main reason he's losing in Indiana.If this would have come out 4 months ago I think Hillary is in the lead right now.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-06-2008

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/05/980587.aspx


From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** The Math Game: Both candidates seemed very exhausted during their morning show appearances on TODAY and Morning Joe. And that probably isn’t surprising -- tomorrow is the last BIG primary day. Despite the fact that another month of contests is still on the docket, nearly half of all remaining delegates will get handed out tomorrow. And the math will be a lot more crystal clear after tomorrow, both in delegates and the popular vote. Following Guam, there are now 404 pledged delegates up grabs, and 187 of them will be decided on Tuesday. Plus, per our count, there are 268 undeclared superdelegates. Here are the basics of what each candidate needs: Assuming he wins half of the delegates tomorrow (93), Obama needs just 38% of ALL remaining delegates to get to the magic number of 2,025. If Clinton wins 94 delegates on Tuesday, she will need 66% of all remaining delegates. In addition, assuming that delegate split tomorrow, then Clinton will need 85% of all remaining PLEDGED delegates to catch Obama for the lead in that category. Moreover, if Clinton simply wanted to cut Obama's pledged delegate lead to 100, she'd need to win 62% of all remaining delegates after tomorrow. As we've noted before, the math is certainly difficult for Clinton.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 05-06-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Gas tax suspension is a joke.Is saving a couple hundred bucks over the summer going to help when you're paying 5 bucks a gallon next year?I give him credit for being realistic and not pandering.

The reverand stuff will be tough to get past.I believe thats the main reason he's losing in Indiana.If this would have come out 4 months ago I think Hillary is in the lead right now.

Isn't Bush opposed to the gas tax holiday thing?

I thought the reason that he is doing so poorly in Indiana was because the governor is really popular and he came out in full support of Hillary and has been campaigning for her for quite a while. I think he sort of gave up hope of winning Indiana over a month ago. He just wants to keep it close, like he did Texas.

North Carolina has been his to lose for a long time. He had a huge lead a few weeks ago. The Reverend Wright and gas tax thing seems to have hurt him badly in the working class white vote. I love you.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Bill - 05-06-2008

http://www.dailyreckoning.com Wrote:There is Hillary's proposal for a 'Gas Tax Holiday,' for example. The initiative is so absurd that even trained economists can see through it. Alice Rivlin, Bill Clinton's former budget director said she was "appalled" at what "looked like pandering." One hundred economists signed an open letter criticizing the proposal - pointing out the obvious, that it would increase driving and divert money now going to the U.S. government to the governments of Arab oil exporters.
Obama has an advantage; Paul Volcker is advising him. So, we can expect a little better. But little better is what we get. Obama proposes a cut in the payroll tax (which finances Social Security) - up to $1,000 - to help families "offset the cost not only of gas, but of food."
As we have said many times, we never met a tax cut we didn't like. But what troubles us is: where are the cuts on the other side of the ledger? If Social Security has less money, how will it keep up with baby boomer retirements?
The weekend press tells us that people are beginning to worry about whether they'll be able to retire at all. The middle class counted on rising house prices. But now house prices are going down. What are they going to do?
They're going to start saving, is the answer. "Consumers to the sidelines," says a Wall Street Journal headline. "Americans cutting back for Mothers' Day," says a headline in the Los Angeles Times.
You will recall why stocks were certain to go to the moon, dear reader. It was "Dow 36,000" for sure - because the baby boomers had to put money in stocks so they could retire. When that mirage disappeared, they turned to residential real estate. People figured that they could buy an extra house at the beach. They would enjoy it on weekends and holidays…and then, when the time came to retire…they could sell the main house and live off the proceeds. That strategy too was fine - as long as prices were rising.
And now the boomers find them themselves with no easy way to finance their golden years. (They should have bought gold when we first suggested it!) What can they do? They have to resort to the old-fashioned, tried and true method - thrift and savings.


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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-06-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Isn't Bush opposed to the gas tax holiday thing?

I thought the reason that he is doing so poorly in Indiana was because the governor is really popular and he came out in full support of Hillary and has been campaigning for her for quite a while. I think he sort of gave up hope of winning Indiana over a month ago. He just wants to keep it close, like he did Texas.

North Carolina has been his to lose for a long time. He had a huge lead a few weeks ago. The Reverend Wright and gas tax thing seems to have hurt him badly in the working class white vote. I love you.

Bush is opposed to it because it acknowledges that there is a problem.

I have it shaking out like this.

Indiana
O-45 C-55
NC
O-52 C-48

She is just running the clock out waiting for him to say something stupid or his pastor doing something crazy.I heard someone with contacts with the Obama campaign say that he will never offer her the VP spot.In the past few weeks I thought she was angling for it but now I'm thinking she's spent all this money and might as well see if he explodes.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 05-06-2008

Quote:Obama proposes a cut in the payroll tax (which finances Social Security) - up to $1,000 - to help families "offset the cost not only of gas, but of food."
As we have said many times, we never met a tax cut we didn't like. But what troubles us is: where are the cuts on the other side of the ledger? If Social Security has less money, how will it keep up with baby boomer retirements

This is a pretty stupid view of what he is proposing, I think. I heard him explain this and I want to say that he is going to offset the cuts in the lower paid, by raising the cut off on the highly paid. So that the same money is collected. Right now, at about $98,000 they quit holding social security tax. He wants to raise that. I love you.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-06-2008

Over under on the age of mccains running mate- 49

Skin tone over under for Mccains running mate- Indian(dot type)

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 05-06-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Over under on the age of mccains running mate- 49

Skin tone over under for Mccains running mate- Indian(dot type)

I have a weird feeling that McCain has had a deal struck with Huckabee for a while now. I love you.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-06-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I have a weird feeling that McCain has had a deal struck with Huckabee for a while now. I love you.

Its an interesting choice.Obama is or was before the whole pastor thing going to siphon off alot of religious voters just because Obama seems more in tune with churchgoers than mccain.I think he shouldnt need huckabee because the right is the party of evangelicals so huckabee is almost like overkill.The thing mccain needs to think about is what he's not bringing to the table that a vp can compensate for and what the big issues are going to be in november.In my mind he lacks youth and economic credibility.I heard the governor of lousiana Jindal is a candidate.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 05-06-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Its an interesting choice.Obama is or was before the whole pastor thing going to siphon off alot of religious voters just because Obama seems more in tune with churchgoers than mccain.I think he shouldnt need huckabee because the right is the party of evangelicals so huckabee is almost like overkill.The thing mccain needs to think about is what he's not bringing to the table that a vp can compensate for and what the big issues are going to be in november.In my mind he lacks youth and economic credibility.I heard the governor of lousiana Jindal is a candidate.

The list of "possibles" is very very long. J.C. Watts is even being mentioned.

The reason I mention Huckabee is exactly what you are saying. He brings things that McCain doesn't have.

1. He's already been on the campaign trail and did pretty well, especially there toward the end.

2. He's funny. McCain is not.

3. He's very conservative. And that has been McCain's biggest problem with the GOP. They don't consider his conservative enough. He rounds out McCain on many things that McCain needs right now.

I don't see him picking Leibermann, although that would probably be his first choice. I don't see him picking a woman (Kay Bailey Hutchinson, etc). I don't think he will pick a black (J.C. Watts, etc). He might pick someone to help carry Ohio or Florida or some other swing state that he can't carry, but there just aren't any really strong republicans that fit those needs. I love you.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-06-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:The list of "possibles" is very very long. J.C. Watts is even being mentioned.

The reason I mention Huckabee is exactly what you are saying. He brings things that McCain doesn't have.

1. He's already been on the campaign trail and did pretty well, especially there toward the end.

2. He's funny. McCain is not.

3. He's very conservative. And that has been McCain's biggest problem with the GOP. They don't consider his conservative enough. He rounds out McCain on many things that McCain needs right now.

I don't see him picking Leibermann, although that would probably be his first choice. I don't see him picking a woman (Kay Bailey Hutchinson, etc). I don't think he will pick a black (J.C. Watts, etc). He might pick someone to help carry Ohio or Florida or some other swing state that he can't carry, but there just aren't any really strong republicans that fit those needs. I love you.


Huckabee did well in states the GOP should do well in.Picking him doesnt get Mccain anything he needs ie swing states.How does he help get Pennsylvania or Ohio?I can't see Leiberman just because the guy was already the losing vp two elections ago.It doesnt make any sense and doesnt get anyone energized.The key to this election is going to be independent voters most whom don't favor the iraq war and a mccain\liberman ticket would be a death sentence.Never mention J.C. watts as a serious contender for any political office again including dog catcher.He's just brought up cause he's black but the guy couldnt even stay elected as a congressman.It will probably be a governor from a swing state that isnt that high profile because if he's going to win its going to be by the slimmest of margins.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 05-07-2008

She's going out tomorrow.

So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 05-07-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:She's going out tomorrow.

I was thinking the same thing last night. Horrible result for her. It was almost a worse case scenario. Did you see her "victory" speech? Holy shit! It looked like a stage full of how I picture the guys at the Alamo must have looked when 10,000 mexicans came charging in. I love you.