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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-29-2008

Anhil8tor Wrote:I post my sources...

When its glaringly obvious you didnt write it and are called on it.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-29-2008

WoolyGoat Wrote:rack teh power of Massachusetts.

To bad your former governor can't use that power to win the whole thing.

Seriously one thing I don't get about this years candidates is how Romney was governor of Massachusetts.If I didnt know and had to guess I would say he was the governor of Colorado or Michigan.He just doesnt seem like a Boston guy at all.You people are easily duped I guess.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Vitamin E - 01-29-2008

Is it weird to have a crush on that Paltuzi(sp) chick?

a friend was asking.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Paddy - 01-29-2008

What does it say about me that I get all my political insight from this forum?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-29-2008

If you read only my posts you're ahead of 90% of the population.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - WoolyGoat - 01-29-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:To bad your former governor can't use that power to win the whole thing.

Seriously one thing I don't get about this years candidates is how Romney was governor of Massachusetts.If I didnt know and had to guess I would say he was the governor of Colorado or Michigan.He just doesnt seem like a Boston guy at all.You people are easily duped I guess.

the dem candidate was very weak and a bit of a crybaby

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-29-2008

that makes sense.He seems like a good manager and if he didnt have the baggage of flip flopping like he does now I guess I can see people voting for him.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I just hope with all of this sudden momentum, that he's (Obama) not blowing his wad too quick before next Tuesday.

Some "experts" said prior to the Nevada primary Kerry through out his endorsement too late.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008

I don't think Kerrys endorsement matters at all.Guys viewed as a bumbling loser.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008

I'm going to miss wondering how guiliani can get the gop to vote for him even though he's pro abortion and anti-gun.I heard he spent 60 mil for what will end up being one delegate.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I don't think Kerrys endorsement matters at all.Guys viewed as a bumbling loser.

I think it matters somewhat...he was the last Democratic presidential canidate.

I think people are viewing Hil's win in N.H. and Nevada to be bigger than it really is. She won by 2-3 percentage points.

Both of Obama's wins have been double digit, and S.C. was a fucking landslide.

Sebilius's backing is huge around here. Really big turnout at his event in El Dorado.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008

I think he lost everyone after that botched troops joke.

I heard about the governor, a chick right?Is she a gop or Dem?

Next tuesday is going to be nuts,if clinton loses either California or New York(which is crazy how close it is considering she's from there) she is done.It will really be stunning.

If she gets beat bad she just might end up settling for the vice spot.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I think he lost everyone after that botched troops joke.

I heard about the governor, a chick right?Is she a gop or Dem?

Next tuesday is going to be nuts,if clinton loses either California or New York(which is crazy how close it is considering she's from there) she is done.It will really be stunning.

If she gets beat bad she just might end up settling for the vice spot.

Sebiulius is a Dem, she gave the Dems rebuttal after the state of the union...and I tend to agree with flump on this one. I don't think America wants a woman as president. I was not stoked with her speech last night, but she's got tons of popularity amoung Dem's and Kansans.

I think Barack gets California. Hate to say it, but Hil's not getting the vice presidentcy. He's running with Edwards, and I love that billing.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008

Uh-oh...

Quote:One by One, Angry Liberals Turn Their Backs on Team Clinton
by Judson Berger

Like lovers scorned, Bill Clinton’s longtime liberal supporters are walking out on him, slamming the door behind them and rebuking the 42nd president for his behavior leading up to last weekend’s South Carolina Democratic presidential primary.

Clinton’s base seems to be eroding fast as liberal Democratic stalwarts join up with Barack Obama, whose message of change seems now to apply not only to the Bush administration of the last seven years, but the eight-year Clinton administration that preceded it.

Obama’s biggest “get” was Sen. Ted Kennedy, who abandoned his neutrality in the presidential race and endorsed Obama over Hillary Clinton on Monday. While Obama insists the Massachusetts senator’s endorsement was not a repudiation of anyone, it was clear that Kennedy - along with his niece Caroline Kennedy and son Rep. Patrick Kennedy — had reached beyond the Clintons to pass the mantle of the Democratic party’s liberal wing to Obama.

And while the Kennedys may open the floodgates, they were hardly the first liberals to abandon the Clintons for Obama. In recent weeks the Clintons have watched many of their supporters drift to the young senator from Illinois.

Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the Democrats’ 2004 presidential candidate, endorsed Obama recently. On Tuesday, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius climbed aboard, the morning after she delivered the Democrats’ rebuttal speech to President Bush’s State of the Union address.

Even novelist Toni Morrison, who once called Bill Clinton the “first black president,” has come out for Obama.

Liberal criticism of the Clintons has come from inside and outside the Beltway, from former supporters and colleagues. It ranges from the thinly veiled to the blatant:

Robert Reich, former Clinton labor secretary, on his personal blog: “Bill Clinton’s ill-tempered and ill-founded attacks on Barack Obama are doing no credit to the former President, his legacy, or his wife’s campaign. Nor are they helping the Democratic party … Now, sadly, we’re witnessing a smear campaign against Obama that employs some of the worst aspects of the old politics.”

Leahy: “He is not helping anyone, and certainly not helping the Democratic Party.” (The Washington Post)

Columnist Nicholas von Hoffman: “By the time Hillary and Bill have finished with Obama the real man may be unrecognizable to voters in Iowa or any place else … If he can wipe enough of the Clintonian slime off himself, Obama may be able to come out from under and explain to the world that sometimes less experience is more and better.” (The Nation)

Columnist/Editor Jonathan Chait: “Am I starting to sound like a Clinton hater? It’s a scary thought. Of course, to conservatives, it’s a delicious thought. The Wall Street Journal published a gloating editorial noting that liberals had suddenly learned “what everyone else already knows about the Clintons.” (By “everyone,” it means Republicans.) It made me wonder: Were the conservatives right about Bill Clinton all along?” (The Los Angeles Times).

Columnist Maureen Dowd: “It’s odd that the first woman with a shot at becoming president is so openly dependent on her husband to drag her over the finish line. She handed over South Carolina to him, knowing that her support here is largely derivative.” (The New York Times)

Columnist E.J. Dionne Jr.: “That’s why the Clintons’ assault on Obama is so depressing. In many ways, Obama is running the 2008 version of the 1992 Clinton campaign. You have the feeling that if Bill Clinton did not have another candidate in this contest, he’d be advising Obama and cheering him on.” (The Washington Post)

San Francisco Chronicle: “One might think a man who struggled with the definition of ‘is’ and wagged his finger while lying on national television would not be in a position to accuse others of ‘fairy tales.’ But humility and statesmanship are nowhere to be found in the Bill Clinton who attacked Sen. Barack Obama in underhanded and unseemly ways.”

Al Sharpton: “But I think that it’s time for him to just be quiet. I think it’s time for him to stop. As one of the most outspoken people in America, there is a time to shut up, and I think that time has come.” (On The View)

Kerry: “I think you had an abuse of the truth … I mean, being an ex-president does not give you license to abuse the truth, and I think that over the last few days it’s been over the top.” (On National Journal radio)

Daschle: “… this backbiting, bitter give-and-take that we’re beginning to see more and more of, especially from the Clinton campaign. It’s wrong. Everybody know it’s wrong and it’s got to stop … It’s not presidential. It’s not in keeping with the image of a former president.”

Ted Kennedy: “With Barack Obama, we will turn the page on the old politics of misrepresentation and distortion.”

Though the Clintons have been staring at a lot of backs recently, it’s not a full-scale rebellion. As Ted, Caroline and Patrick Kennedy endorsed Obama, three other Kennedys endorsed Clinton.

In a newspaper column Tuesday, former Maryland lieutenant governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Kerry Kennedy wrote:

“We believe that (Hillary Clinton) is the strongest candidate for our party and our country.” They invoked President Kennedy’s ideals and the desire to give voice to the voiceless as they described Hillary Clinton.

The column made no mention of the candidate’s husband.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-30-2008

two things:

1. Everyone thought a year ago that Guilianni was a front runner. That he would probably be the man to beat. And yet he has only focused his money and efforts on one state and he isn't even listed in the top two in the polls there. What the fuck is he doing?

2. Does anyone think that Hillary would take the VP spot from Obama? I can't see her being the VP. Maybe from a historical standpoint, but she's too high up the food chain to settle on the job that everyone considers either a joke or a waiting stool for the next election (8 years away, assuming her president does a good job).

IF, Obama pulls this off, which I am feeling more and more that he can/will, who will he pick as VP. Obviusly Edwards is off the table. Hillary would get him the most votes, but would she take it, who's left? Oprah?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:two things:

1. Everyone thought a year ago that Guilianni was a front runner. That he would probably be the man to beat. And yet he has only focused his money and efforts on one state and he isn't even listed in the top two in the polls there. What the fuck is he doing?

2. Does anyone think that Hillary would take the VP spot from Obama? I can't see her being the VP. Maybe from a historical standpoint, but she's too high up the food chain to settle on the job that everyone considers either a joke or a waiting stool for the next election (8 years away, assuming her president does a good job).

IF, Obama pulls this off, which I am feeling more and more that he can/will, who will he pick as VP. Obviusly Edwards is off the table. Hillary would get him the most votes, but would she take it, who's left? Oprah?

Why would Edwards be off the table? I think he's a respectable canidate, he just has two power houses in front of him.

The Oprah thing was a joke...

Al Gore??? He'd get him votes. Sebilius was rumored to be a choice for Kerry.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-30-2008

cLaY Wrote:Why would Edwards be off the table? I think he's a respectable canidate, he just has two power houses in front of him.

The Oprah thing was a joke...

Al Gore??? He'd get him votes. Sebilius was rumored to be a choice for Kerry.

Well, Edwards is not 100% off the table, but he's damaged good. He's already shown that his name on a ballot won't lead to victory. No one wants to gamble on a two time loser. That being said, I like Edwards. I liked him the best out of the field four years ago. I'm not sure what he did wrong, but he came across way better than Kerry.

No way Gore would take it. If Gore was interested, he'd have run this year and been the presidential candidate. He could have beaten either Obama or Clinton.

Its interesting to me that the Dem's have already narrowed the field to three (and really basically two).

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008

cLaY Wrote:Sebiulius is a Dem, she gave the Dems rebuttal after the state of the union...and I tend to agree with flump on this one. I don't think America wants a woman as president. I was not stoked with her speech last night, but she's got tons of popularity amoung Dem's and Kansans.

I think Barack gets California. Hate to say it, but Hil's not getting the vice presidentcy. He's running with Edwards, and I love that billing.

I think white males for some reason are more apt to vote for a black guy over a woman all things equal.

I saw her but turned off the speech.She's a good sign for Obama in the Midwest.

You are crazy if you think Edwards is in line to be vice president.He already is associated with one democratic presidential ticket loss and nobody wants to bring that image up this year.

First of all were both going to look like tools when Clinton wins NY and California after we debate who Obama's Vice will be but if it does happen Obama's got two choices.First is clinton.Historic ticket, locks up women at all levels and all minorities.Almost a can't lose.The next is Jim Webb the senator from Virginia.Former secretary of the navy who has huge credentials foreign policy wise and who also opposed the Iraq war even though his kids a marine over there.Another almost can't lose.

This analysis is so freaking on point.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 01-30-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:two things:

1. Everyone thought a year ago that Guilianni was a front runner. That he would probably be the man to beat. And yet he has only focused his money and efforts on one state and he isn't even listed in the top two in the polls there. What the fuck is he doing?

2. Does anyone think that Hillary would take the VP spot from Obama? I can't see her being the VP. Maybe from a historical standpoint, but she's too high up the food chain to settle on the job that everyone considers either a joke or a waiting stool for the next election (8 years away, assuming her president does a good job).

IF, Obama pulls this off, which I am feeling more and more that he can/will, who will he pick as VP. Obviusly Edwards is off the table. Hillary would get him the most votes, but would she take it, who's left? Oprah?

1.guiliani thought he couldnt win in New Hampshire or Iowa so he just focused on the South like Florida and South Carolina because those hicks love taking it to muslims.The problem was thats all there was with him.His own kids don't speak to him and I bet a year ago most down there didnt know he was pro gay,pro abortion.

2.If Obama is the guy what is the highest place a clinton could occupy if not for vice president?She'll do anything to keep a small grip on the party in the most visible spot possible possibly setting up a run after obama's done.Also don't get the assasination factor for Obama, most likely someones taking a shot at him and then she's instantly president.

3.Jim Webb or Hillary.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - cLaY - 01-30-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I think white males for some reason are more apt to vote for a black guy over a woman all things equal.

I saw her but turned off the speech.She's a good sign for Obama in the Midwest.

You are crazy if you think Edwards is in line to be vice president.He already is associated with one democratic presidential ticket loss and nobody wants to bring that image up this year.

First of all were both going to look like tools when Clinton wins NY and California after we debate who Obama's Vice will be but if it does happen Obama's got two choices.First is clinton.Historic ticket, locks up women at all levels and all minorities.Almost a can't lose.The next is Jim Webb the senator from Virginia.Former secretary of the navy who has huge credentials foreign policy wise and who also opposed the Iraq war even though his kids a marine over there.Another almost can't lose.

This analysis is so freaking on point.

Good point.

Just my personal opinion, and maybe not the winning ticket, I like Obama/Edwards...gotta remember, I have never given a fuck about politics up until this year, and Obama sparked that. Hope this rings true to a lot of voters across the nation.

I'm just not a fan of Hilary.

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