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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

She reopened nuclear negotiations with North Korea, even authorizing bilateral talks, which George W. Bush had adamantly refused to conduct all through his first term as president.

She persuaded Bush to endorse similar (if less promising) negotiations that Britain, France, and Germany had initiated with Iran, which he had also vigorously opposed.

She crafted the terms of a United Nations resolution to investigate war crimes in Sudan, a measure that first-term Bush had resisted.

She dropped the campaign—which had been launched with great verve by Vice President Dick Cheney—to replace Mohamed elBaradei as chair of the International Atomic Energy Agency and then got U.S. intelligence agencies to resume briefing IAEA officials, a practice that had also been discontinued in the first term.

As a prerequisite to all the above accomplishments, she staved off Cheney's intense efforts to appoint his protégé, John Bolton, as deputy secretary of state and implicitly acknowledged Bolton's unsuitability for a concession prize—U.N. ambassador—by assuring Democratic opponents that he would be carefully "supervised."

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:She reopened nuclear negotiations with North Korea, even authorizing bilateral talks, which George W. Bush had adamantly refused to conduct all through his first term as president.

She persuaded Bush to endorse similar (if less promising) negotiations that Britain, France, and Germany had initiated with Iran, which he had also vigorously opposed.

She crafted the terms of a United Nations resolution to investigate war crimes in Sudan, a measure that first-term Bush had resisted.

She dropped the campaign—which had been launched with great verve by Vice President Dick Cheney—to replace Mohamed elBaradei as chair of the International Atomic Energy Agency and then got U.S. intelligence agencies to resume briefing IAEA officials, a practice that had also been discontinued in the first term.

As a prerequisite to all the above accomplishments, she staved off Cheney's intense efforts to appoint his protégé, John Bolton, as deputy secretary of state and implicitly acknowledged Bolton's unsuitability for a concession prize—U.N. ambassador—by assuring Democratic opponents that he would be carefully "supervised."

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Can I get an accomplishment that doesnt involve convincing the most retarded administration of the last 50 years to do the sensible thing.Geez Mr Bush maybe we shouldnt nuke the middle east.Every example you cite is all about her being a maverick for a terrible administration, how is that an accomplishment?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

Is it hard to google Black republicans or is it awkward no results come up?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Is it hard to google Black republicans or is it awkward no results come up?

I'm waiting on you to post Barak's most notable accomplishment while he's been a Senator. I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - ntype - 02-21-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I'm waiting on you to post Barak's most notable accomplishment while he's been a Senator. I love you.

the problem with that kind of considerations is that you could be answered with the sad accomplishments of Bush (even before that he went prezzidant)

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

ntype Wrote:the problem with that kind of considerations is that you could be answered with the sad accomplishments of Bush (even before that he went prezzidant)

Bush isn't running. I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

"In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars. "

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Bush isn't running. I love you.

Obama didnt get elected to office on his fathers name and also didnt run every business including a baseball team into the ground.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

Can I get a black person thats actually in office that is a high up republican so I don't think Condi is a token?

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Can I get a black person thats actually in office that is a high up republican so I don't think Condi is a token?

If Condi was a token, then why would she be one of Bush's closest confidants. She's one of the only Cabinet members that he takes to Camp David nearly every time he goes. The two of them are so close, I'm surprised that no one has accused them of having an affair. I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Can I get a black person thats actually in office that is a high up republican so I don't think Condi is a token?

And when did black people start being known to be Republican's? Blacks have always been democrats. That's just how it is. I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars. "

So, he passed a law to let people get on the internet and see where their tax dollars go.

He "fought" for veterans to get they pay they were going to get anyway.

He prepared the VA hospitals for returning veterans. :lool:

He went to Russia to find weapons of mass destruction. Holy shit. :lool:

And he is "working" to promote alternative fuels.

Is that all they have on his website for accomplishments? One law to do an internet search and then those other things? I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:If Condi was a token, then why would she be one of Bush's closest confidants. She's one of the only Cabinet members that he takes to Camp David nearly every time he goes. The two of them are so close, I'm surprised that no one has accused them of having an affair. I love you.

Who cares where he takes her?The guy is the worst president in the last 100 years.Her being a close advisor to a disaster of a president is no accomplishment.

I'm suprised you didnt know she's a lesbo.

Its truely funny you can't come up with any real success storys in the 8 years she's been in power.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Who cares where he takes her?The guy is the worst president in the last 100 years.Her being a close advisor to a disaster of a president is no accomplishment.

I'm suprised you didnt know she's a lesbo.

Its truely funny you can't come up with any real success storys in the 8 years she's been in power.

She's a lesbian? Really?

I'll add that to her list of accomplishments.

:drool: I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:So, he passed a law to let people get on the internet and see where their tax dollars go.

He "fought" for veterans to get they pay they were going to get anyway.

He prepared the VA hospitals for returning veterans. :lool:

He went to Russia to find weapons of mass destruction. Holy shit. :lool:

And he is "working" to promote alternative fuels.

Is that all they have on his website for accomplishments? One law to do an internet search and then those other things? I love you.

I think you know part of his appeal is that he's not a part of washington establishment.Its not like he spent 8 years as head of national security or secretary of state.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:I think you know part of his appeal is that he's not a part of washington establishment.Its not like he spent 8 years as head of national security or secretary of state.

No, I'm mostly just kidding. His commercials are 100 times better than Hillary's, in my opinion. He comes across as a plain spoken guy that isn't promising the moon, but wants to start getting some real work done on all of these issues that people have been promised in every election for the past 20 years and no one has done anything about it. I like what he says. But I know when Chapter 2 starts, and its him against McCain, they are going to start picking apart his accomplishments.

I've heard a few that have already started and his supporters need to know more of his accomplishments so that they can defend those questions when they come up. If he does pull of this miracle and get elected in November, then he is going to really need a ton of support in order to get the old school Washington that he is going to bash all the way to the White House to get behind him and do anything. I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

The miracle will be Mccain getting elected.Everything points to him getting beat by 10-15 points.His only shot was Hillary winning and being his opponent.Now that its Obama independent voters are going to go away from Mccain because most independents favor getting out of Iraq.As far as Obama needing washington establisment types to get anything done I disagree.The last election was basically a house cleaning of politicians who didnt match up with what their community wanted on major issues and if Obama does win there will be a wave of support for him to change things and if people stand in his way it will get ugly for them next time they are up for reelection.I don't think they will want to help Obama but won't have much choice.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Tribal Dragon - 02-21-2008

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:If Condi was a token, then why would she be one of Bush's closest confidants. She's one of the only Cabinet members that he takes to Camp David nearly every time he goes. The two of them are so close, I'm surprised that no one has accused them of having an affair. I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-21-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:The miracle will be Mccain getting elected.Everything points to him getting beat by 10-15 points.His only shot was Hillary winning and being his opponent.Now that its Obama independent voters are going to go away from Mccain because most independents favor getting out of Iraq.As far as Obama needing washington establisment types to get anything done I disagree.The last election was basically a house cleaning of politicians who didnt match up with what their community wanted on major issues and if Obama does win there will be a wave of support for him to change things and if people stand in his way it will get ugly for them next time they are up for reelection.I don't think they will want to help Obama but won't have much choice.

I honestly can't see McCain winning this thing against either one of them. That guy looks like he's aged 20 years in the past 4. And its only going to get worse as this year progresses. Obama is 100 times the speaker that McCain is, and McCain's message is way out of tune with the nation right now. I'm Republican, but with his stand on immigration, I don't think I could support him. I really think the election is going to come down to what the Democrats do. I'm pretty impressed with what I've seen and heard from Obama. I love you.

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So I was watching the State of the Union last night.... - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

The debates between Obama and Mccain should be pretty interesting.I'm sure Mccain will talk about experience over and over and it will be funny to see two people with totally opposite views on Iraq debate it.

Mccain did have a rational view on immigration over a year ago but he had to change his stance on that because the base of the GOP is very anti illegal immigration.He never would have come back like he did with out changing his mind on that.

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