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Well bird I thought i'd bring it up. While I know you agree 100% with anything Obama does... Tell me why its right to bomb Libya right now. Tell me how much we should expect to spend on all that we are doing there. Tell me what we will do after we are done bombing. Explain to me why congress approved to use force and burden the bill for it.
I think I heard that Afghanistan is running is $120 billion a year. How much will Libya run us this year? It seems like everywhere in the US we are in a budget shortfall so i'm wondering where this money will come from...
Would it be possible if instead of intervening in Libya to take the money we would have spent and invest it in social security?
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I don't agree with it.Dumb decision.Possibly the only thing he could have done that would cost him 2012.Heres what I can say.This war in no way has anything to do with Obama's ties to oil cartels nor is he trying to stick it to a dictator who his father failed to defeat in the 90's.
I don't accept you being this budget hawk on a minor military action while all the time being pro iraq war which at one point was costing us a billion a month.Please admit you are a hypocrite when it comes to wars republicans start.
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Wow. Totally didn't see you going that route. It was completely unexpected.....
The reason I brought it up was because yesterday chef was ranting and raving about how it was the right thing to do and the senate needs to keep their nose out of it. He says Obama doesn't need their approval to attack a military target..yada yada yada...
I think its time we quit fucking around in the middle east. Afghanstan is a lost cause. We should get out of there. We need to stop trying to be world care taker and get some of shit here at home together.
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I don't see how that was unexpected.I'm not held hostage by what political party I vote for like you.I call it like I see it.You probably think thats unfair but you also think its ok to pretend to be this cautious, budget conscious deep thinker after you just played the cheerleader for 8 years while we spent our way into a hole fighting a war in iraq that killed or wounded over 30,000 americans.Sorry but I don't have any respect for this all the sudden change of mind on our foreign policy when you would have called anyone who said what you just did 5 years ago a weak cut and runner french faggot.
I know you're trying to frame this as Obama's iraq like the oil spill was his katrina(funny, right?) but this is basically a police action like Bosnia rather then a full scale invasion where we are told we'll be greeted as liberators.Only a few hundred americans were killed or wounded in Bosnia and most of that was just mechanical accidents.
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Nah.. not framing anything.
Hey dude.. .sooner or later ya gotta cut your loses. Why are we still in Afghanistan? Can you explain that to me?
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An american president committed to installing a democracy there 10 years ago and the next one came along and had to recommit otherwise he would have destroyed american credibility and would have had the opposing political party call him weak, pro islam and unamerican.
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we gonna step into Israels fighting as well?
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We are not as close to israel as we were 2 years ago.The last administration considered everything they did like building settlements in disputed territory their divine right by god and never questioned anything.I think if you read up on it they arent to happy with Obama and his policies towards them.
In a way I'm not happy we are wasting money on another middle east country who doesnt have their shit together but at least we can agree that the motives in this case compared to Iraq are pretty pure.I can see the logic and I don't totally disagree with that the momentum in the middle east is moving towards throwing out the old guard which in cases like Egypt probably isnt the best thing for us since mubarak is the only mid east ally israel really had but its better to be on the side of the people who are oppressed in the long run for moral as well as strategic reasons.These people arent going away and just by sheer numbers they will eventually take over so either we make nice with them now and help out a little or we risk pissing people off and creating another 9\11.It shouldnt have to be this way but thats the way shit works.
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having said that I still don't like the idea of us invading countries that never attacked us.
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It just seems like the middle east is all fucked. I mean we can keep stepping in there but we won't accomplish nothing. Its a fucking sand trap....
There is no doubt I agree it doesn't hurt bombing there to improve our standings with who we believe will take control. What happens when they do take control and start asking for all kinds of assistance though? Where do we draw the line.
I do find it funny the republican senators are bitching about Obama didn't get their approval. If the public outcry doesn't start soon they'll shut their mouth. Its a simple exercise.... as long as we don't send troops I don't see this hurting Obama.
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We both know that joining a nato mission with other countries is not the same as invading iran so why bother posting this except to try to confuse the issue and smear obama.Seems petty.
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why you should bomb down this dude ? Lockerbie. Then for the rest be largely happy that during these revolutions all the islamists movements aren't putting their shit up and people aren't falling into the 'iran revolution' style. This is just incredible thinking that all these movements started with a 'young' man, that put himself on fire on Tunisia (Mohamed Bouazizi).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi
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Lockerbie is a reason to hate the guy but we supposedly forgave him when he paid the victims family off and got rid of his nuclear weapons.The Bush family was ready to do business with him 3 years ago so its kind of tough without looking like hypocrites to now revert back to Lockerbie as the reason we want him gone.
It is amazing whats going on in the mid east starting in Tunisia.It shows that its not muslims vs christians which is how some people like to simplify whats been going on the last decade and shines a light on the fact that these people(even muslims!) are just trying to scratch a fair and decent life out for themselves that we as in the US undermine by proping up their dictators.It also puts to bed the Bush doctrine of us bring democracy to the mid east.Thats like the Snickers candy bar seller telling you he's got a plan on how to get rid of all your cavities.
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While the United States staggers under $14 trillion in debt, 15 million unemployed Americans, 43 million subsisting on food stamps and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—Nobel Peace Prize laureate Barack Obama dove into a third war with Libya over the weekend.
Amazingly, Obama never served in the military. He wouldn't know a platoon from KP duty. He wouldn't know a major from a captain. He doesn't know what he's getting into: much like George W. Bush and Iraq!
Of all the $100 billion worth of drugs crossing our unguarded borders with Mexico, which new exotic blend made its way into the White House? When did common sense and reasoned thought devolve into “Muslim insanity” in Africa and the Middle East?
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Yeah I c&p.. not cleaning it up.
How many noble peace prize winners have bombed a country?
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He's not the first.Why don't you educate yourself by looking it up.
I guess "bombing" a person in the midst of massacring his people is a terrible thing to do?Is that what you are saying?Do you actually have a point besides you don't like this black guy who's way smarter than you?
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So do we go after every leader, group or tribe thats killing their own people? Whats stopping us from going after Syria? Why are we not going into the Ivory Coast? Where do we draw the line.
My main problem with all of this is that I know with 100% certainty... Had Bush done this while in office, they would have slaughtered him. Remember the civilian death toll we got daily from the Iraq bombings? I guess it just so happens that the depleted uranium tipped bombs dropped by our B-2 bombers aren't hitting civilians.
Now Libya is reporting 144 civilians have been killed. There is a report that says Ghadafi (sp?) has killed thousands....
