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Gulf Oil Leak
#1

Does anyone find that oil leak in the gulf to be one of the dumbest fucking things they have ever watch unfold. Its still not plugged up. Its almost like every day that goes by people give a little less of a shit about it.

Seriously, if someone had given me an unlimited budget, I know I could have gotten that thing plugged somehow by now.

I saw an interview with the CEO of BP last night and he was helicoptering over the gulf and walking the shore while hazmat crews shoveled crude off the beach and into trash bags. He said he was sorry about it.

I just don't get it. They are calling this the worst man made disaster ever created and its still going on.
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#2

Its terrible. I'm not sure why they haven't tried the junk shot or tried cementing it already.
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#3

I disagree with the statement "every day that goes by people give a little less of a shit about it". I think people are now extremely interested as more and more oil fouls the marshes, wetlands, and beaches with each passing day. BP picked a bad decade to fuck up royally, what with all of the "green" this and "green" that and heightened interest in the environment.
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#4

http://www.cnn.com/

Live oil leak there....
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#5

People will give a shit when they can't go in the ocean during their vacations up and down the east coast.

We can't fix it because its too deep.My main issue is yea shit happens but if during the run up to building something like this you have to game plan for worst case scenarios.We are at the worst case now and you're telling me prior to all this someone didnt ask what would be done if there was a catastrophic failure like this and if someone did ask did the people building it just say "we'd be fucked"?That to me is unacceptable.

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#6

Anhil8tor Wrote:Its terrible. I'm not sure why they haven't tried the junk shot or tried cementing it already.

Seriously. If you had just barged out concrete truck after concrete truck after concrete truck and dumped concrete over the edge you could have plugged it up by now. Did I hear it was 2,000 feet deep? I know good and fucking well, they can tremmie concrete to those kinds of depths.

I'm not saying that is the perfect solution, but jesus christ. Just plug the goddamn thing and quit arguing about which way is the best way to do it.
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#7

From what I read the BOP failed. If it didn't close why? Who was in charge of making sure these things work?
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#8

BIRD33 Wrote:People will give a shit when they can't go in the ocean during their vacations up and down the east coast.

We can't fix it because its too deep.My main issue is yea shit happens but if during the run up to building something like this you have to game plan for worst case scenarios.We are at the worst case now and you're telling me prior to all this someone didnt ask what would be done if there was a catastrophic failure like this and if someone did ask did the people building it just say "we'd be fucked"?That to me is unacceptable.

Exactly. And they asked the BP CEO that question. Why didn't you have a plan for this scenario. He said "Well we did have plans. Backup plans and backup plans to backup plans. But this particular situation there was no plan for." I had no idea what he was saying other than, "Shit I figured they would have had a plan for this too".

I saw them yesterday washing ducks off, cleaning the oil off of them. And I was thinking, "why waste your time unless you plan to cage them up for a few years. where they fuck are they going to go that they won't get oil on them again"
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#9

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I saw them yesterday washing ducks off, cleaning the oil off of them. And I was thinking, "why waste your time unless you plan to cage them up for a few years. where they fuck are they going to go that they won't get oil on them again"

I agree. Same thing with cleaning up the oil that is washing ashore. That's like trying to wash your car while someone is throwing mud on it.
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#10

Anhil8tor Wrote:From what I read the BOP failed. If it didn't close why? Who was in charge of making sure these things work?

I'm not beating a dead horse but this is the kind of lapse regulation you get when the CEO's of BP are in the whitehouse crafting energy policy with a sitting vice president.

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#11

So this is Bush's fault as well? Stop it bird.


I really feel like BP doesn't give a fuck about the gulf. There is no pressure on them to hurry things up.
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#12

Anhil8tor Wrote:So this is Bush's fault as well? Stop it bird.


I really feel like BP doesn't give a fuck about the gulf. There is no pressure on them to hurry things up.

You asked who was in charge.I answered.Truth hurts.

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#13

Posted on another site:

On April 20 the Deepwater Horizon oil rig blew up and began spewing enormous amounts of oil as the blow-out preventer apparently failed. It took eight days before Barack Obama could muster a response of any kind. It was ten days before the One could manage to find a spot in his busy schedule for this minor ecological incident. Obama was pre-occupied with truly important things- like upstaging Jay Leno at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Of course, Leno was told to tone it down. There’s no doubt in my mind Leno was told to cool it so Obama could be the star.

Michael Brown suggested that Obama waited eight days to allow the oil spill to become disastrous so Obama could use the event for political purposes but as appealing as that is, it’s not likely true. Especially since Obama gave that particular oil rig a safety award last year.

The federal agency charged with enforcing safety on deepwater oil rigs has also played a major role in promoting the industry’s claim that it is safe, and in 2009 handed out one of its top prizes for safety to Transocean’s Deepwater Horizon.

That had to be embarrassing to Obama, even for a guy who accepts no responsibility for anything that goes wrong. Barack Obama’s response (when he finally got to it) was entirely predictable; More government.

Obama reflexively proposed to split the Minerals Management Service into two agencies. Sounds great, but government agencies are like green plants. If you split the stem you can wind up with two plants larger than the original. There is no question that is exactly what would happen in this case as well. There would be another ever-expanding federal agency with salaries and pensions to feed forever.

And since no crisis should go to waste, Obama also seized the opportunity to propose a new oil tax.

But the problem isn’t the lack of a new agency. The problem is lack of enforcement of existing law (is it just me or does this sound a lot like other issues?) The AP reported that:

Earlier AP investigations have shown that the doomed rig was allowed to operate without safety documentation required by MMS regulations for the exact disaster scenario that occurred; that the cutoff valve which failed has repeatedly broken down at other wells in the years since regulators weakened testing requirements; and that regulation is so lax that some key safety aspects on rigs are decided almost entirely by the companies doing the work.

and especially damning:

A citation on Sept. 19, 2002, also involved the blowout preventer. The inspector issued a warning because “problems or irregularities observed during the testing of BOP system and actions taken to remedy such problems or irregularities are not recorded in the driller’s report or referenced documents.”

It was asserted by BP’s President that the BOP was modified in 2005 but it’s not clear how much testing and inspecting of this or other BOP’s have occurred since then.

The Obama response to this mess was poor and slow, especially given Obama’s harsh criticism of the Bush response to Katrina. That the press is so content to grant Obama a pass after being so harsh on Bush is grinding, but not unexpected. The last thing we need is another federal agency. The Department of Energy was formed in 1977 under Jimmy Carter. In 1979 40% of our oil was imported. Today 65% of our oil is imported.

The mission of the Department of Energy? To reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Like I said, the LAST thing we need is more government. We just need for what we already have to actually function. Is that a lot to ask?
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#14

Anhil8tor Wrote:Posted on another site:

On April 20 the Deepwater Horizon oil rig blew up and began spewing enormous amounts of oil as the blow-out preventer apparently failed. It took eight days before Barack Obama could muster a response of any kind. It was ten days before the One could manage to find a spot in his busy schedule for this minor ecological incident. Obama was pre-occupied with truly important things- like upstaging Jay Leno at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Of course, Leno was told to tone it down. There’s no doubt in my mind Leno was told to cool it so Obama could be the star.

Michael Brown suggested that Obama waited eight days to allow the oil spill to become disastrous so Obama could use the event for political purposes but as appealing as that is, it’s not likely true. Especially since Obama gave that particular oil rig a safety award last year.

The federal agency charged with enforcing safety on deepwater oil rigs has also played a major role in promoting the industry’s claim that it is safe, and in 2009 handed out one of its top prizes for safety to Transocean’s Deepwater Horizon.

That had to be embarrassing to Obama, even for a guy who accepts no responsibility for anything that goes wrong. Barack Obama’s response (when he finally got to it) was entirely predictable; More government.

Obama reflexively proposed to split the Minerals Management Service into two agencies. Sounds great, but government agencies are like green plants. If you split the stem you can wind up with two plants larger than the original. There is no question that is exactly what would happen in this case as well. There would be another ever-expanding federal agency with salaries and pensions to feed forever.

And since no crisis should go to waste, Obama also seized the opportunity to propose a new oil tax.

But the problem isn’t the lack of a new agency. The problem is lack of enforcement of existing law (is it just me or does this sound a lot like other issues?) The AP reported that:

Earlier AP investigations have shown that the doomed rig was allowed to operate without safety documentation required by MMS regulations for the exact disaster scenario that occurred; that the cutoff valve which failed has repeatedly broken down at other wells in the years since regulators weakened testing requirements; and that regulation is so lax that some key safety aspects on rigs are decided almost entirely by the companies doing the work.

and especially damning:

A citation on Sept. 19, 2002, also involved the blowout preventer. The inspector issued a warning because “problems or irregularities observed during the testing of BOP system and actions taken to remedy such problems or irregularities are not recorded in the driller’s report or referenced documents.”

It was asserted by BP’s President that the BOP was modified in 2005 but it’s not clear how much testing and inspecting of this or other BOP’s have occurred since then.

The Obama response to this mess was poor and slow, especially given Obama’s harsh criticism of the Bush response to Katrina. That the press is so content to grant Obama a pass after being so harsh on Bush is grinding, but not unexpected. The last thing we need is another federal agency. The Department of Energy was formed in 1977 under Jimmy Carter. In 1979 40% of our oil was imported. Today 65% of our oil is imported.

The mission of the Department of Energy? To reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Like I said, the LAST thing we need is more government. We just need for what we already have to actually function. Is that a lot to ask?

You with a straight face are trying to quote Michael "heck of a job Brownie" Brown as someone who knows the correct way to respond to a disaster?

Please post a link to where you got that from so I can laugh.

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#15

I'm still laughing at the balls you have, 8.

Is the guy who drove the Valdez drunk available to critique Obama?

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#16

I've never understood in these situations why people don't try to solve the problem rather than figure out who is to blame.
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#17

I think they are trying hard to fix it but its freaking 2000 feet down.I read that America is pretty weak on submersibles that can go that deep.Even with subs that can its not a easy fix obviously.

Since we're all standing around looking at each other its natural to say how did we get in this mess.

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#18

I guess the confusing thing to me is how simple this problem looks. I mean we build bridges over huge depths of water. It is just inconceivable to me that we don't have the ability to plug a fucking pipe at 2000 feet deep.
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#19

I hear you but even at sea level on dry ground its hard to cap a pipe thats still spewing liquid.Can't we pray hard and have god turn off the oil?

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#20

BIRD33 Wrote:I hear you but even at sea level on dry ground its hard to cap a pipe thats still spewing liquid.

are you serious? That wouldn't be hard at all. I don't know what kind of pressure that oil is coming out of that pipe with, but plugging it or sleeving onto it would be simple on dry land. Granted being underwater makes it more difficult. But come on. That "top hat" concrete cap idea should have worked. I know that had it ready to put on and last I heard they said the "seas were too rough" to do it. Fuck that. Let those fucking crab fishermen from the north sea take it out there. They aren't scared to work in some rough water. Its been a fucking month now. Seriously.
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