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posts and threads.

[leucetios]

I think that functionality said something about too much suck on this site and left :S

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Originally posted by leucetios@Oct 14 2004, 11:36 PM
I think that functionality said something about too much suck on this site and left :S

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No. I think that is yet another sign that moderating someone can be achieved in more ways than one.

[leucetios]

True.

The functionality was taken away because deleting your own thread also deleted other people's posts within your thread, which didn't seem fair.

As far as I know (but I will check) you can still delete your own individual posts

[Velvet]

Nope you cant .

[leucetios]

nope you can't

[leucetios]

I guess if you say it you better mean it

of course you can EDIT your posts

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Originally posted by leucetios@Oct 14 2004, 11:40 PM
True. 

The functionality was taken away because deleting your own thread also deleted other people's posts within your thread, which didn't seem fair.

As far as I know (but I will check) you can still delete your own individual posts

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No. I can't. So let me recap the first 7 months of IT for you:

March--IT is launched with promises of censorship free posting, lack of hierarchy, etc.

March--The first thread is deleted due to difference of opinion

October--Numerous threads have been merged, deleted, edited by mods for one reason or another---none of which for valid reasons (child pron, etc.). A hierarchy has been established--and certain people have certain abilities beyond that of others. The lack of communication has drawn a line between certain members and the higher-ups---so instead of privately addressing an issue like the deleting of one's own threads, the higher-ups do NOT address the individual directly--instead they pussy out and remove function from his login. The site now contains a Paypal button.

Future--A thread will be posted explaining the site cannot be maintained without a revenue stream. The personal cost is too great. The only option will be to place ads on the site. The plea for clicking the ads will continue, the underlying meaning for such will change from "necessity" to "greed".

Welcome to IT. It has certainly evolved.

[Velvet]

You dont know whats happened 7 so dont put shit on lee for this . Perhaps instead of writing this you should be pmming lee to find out the reason .

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Originally posted by Velvet@Oct 14 2004, 11:53 PM
You dont know whats happened 7 so dont put shit on lee for this . Perhaps instead of writing this you should be pmming lee to find out the reason .

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No. This is something the ENTIRE board needs to know.

My ability to delete has been removed. It has not been removed for another login I have access to--that does not have mod status.

That is hierarchy. Aside from that--leu already explained why it happened. It doesn't matter who did it. It was done.

Also--I just noticed the ads on the portal page. Classic.


~edit~ But since you feel the need to protect Lee, should I infer that you are the one who removed the function--back when you were still admin?

[Velvet]

Your not the only one .. grow up I dont have it and neither does just about everyone else . And I did not remove a function bar .. The only thing I did was optimize and repair the board when it had an sql error for your information . You give me far to much credit . Oh by the way ./. those ads have been there for months so why bitch now :rant:

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Originally posted by Velvet@Oct 15 2004, 12:00 AM
Your not the only one .. grow up I dont have it and neither does just about everyone else . And I did not remove a function bar .. The only thing I did was optimize and repair the board when it had an sql error for your information .  You give me far to much credit . Oh by the way ./. those ads have been there for months so why bitch now :rant:

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Bullshit. I already told you I have access to a non-mod login--and that login has access to post AND thread deletion.

Who gives a fuck when the ads were placed. I don't. The bottom line is that the promises to never place ads here, never delete posts, never edit posts, etc. have all been broken. 'Nuff said.

[Velvet]

So bloody shoot me down like most the others for deleteing peoples pages of spamming trying to make this place a good place for everyone . And do you see ads in this forum .. NO and its staying that way . Grow up ..this is the net as you so eagerly put it when you want to express a point and just friggen enjoy it .

[leucetios]

I can address some of this from my POV, though I'm not sure how interested you will be.

Originally posted by 7+Oct 14 2004, 02:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(7 @ Oct 14 2004, 02:50 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>No.&nbsp; I can't.&nbsp; So let me recap the first 7 months of IT for you:

March--IT is launched with promises of censorship free posting, lack of hierarchy, etc.

March--The first thread is deleted due to difference of opinion
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I wasn't here

October--Numerous threads have been merged, deleted, edited by mods for one reason or another---none of which for valid reasons (child pron, etc.).&nbsp;
A hierarchy has been established--and certain people have certain abilities beyond that of others.&nbsp; The lack of communication has drawn a line between certain members and the higher-ups---so instead of privately addressing an issue like the deleting of one's own threads, the higher-ups do NOT address the individual directly--instead they pussy out and remove function from his login.&nbsp; The site now contains a Paypal button.

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You're right. Posts were deleted. Posts were moved. Posts were whatever. The people who did it got no end of shit for it from everyone here, they were talked to. End result is now that one person is not a mod anymore and another is on the verge of losing his mod privs. And all the mods here (who weren't here when the site started) know exactly where the line they can't cross is.

There has to be some kind of heirarchy for a couple of reasons.

1. We need some kind of mods and admins for a couple of reasons like
- being able to fix the board when SQL dies
- being able to remove posts that are clear violations of things we've all decided we don't want here. On this note we have multiple mods and admins to increase the odd of one being online when shit
happens.

2. the very nature of the software the board is based on requires a heirarchy. Now you could just have one big user group and dump everyone in, but is nice to recognize people who've been here long and contributed to the board. As you moved up the heirarchy you get dumb little privs (3000 posts, edit your own title for example). Its completely innocuous.





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My ability to delete has been removed.&nbsp; It has not been removed for another login I have access to--that does not have mod status.

That is hierarchy.&nbsp; Aside from that--leu already explained why it happened.&nbsp; It doesn't matter who did it.&nbsp; It was done.
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The spirit of the board is no deleting. Deleting your own posts and threads can hurt the board, and allows a different kind of censorship. Threads can then be manipulated and locked because of differing opinions etc.

In my opinion, you should be able to delete you own post, but not a whole thread. Now, why do two different accounts have different access? See the dumb little heirarchy note above. If you're here for xxxx posts then sure maybe you can delete your posts, but if you're a newbie then no, you earn the right. But more likely is that when we removed the delete access we missed one of the user groups.

Heirarchy's only become a problem when they are abused and lorded over people, something that pretty much isn't done here. None of the mods/admins act like they're better than anyone else, or any of that BS.

Also--I just noticed the ads on the portal page.&nbsp; Classic.

Running a site costs money. I don't see you volunteering to pay $50 a month so we can come here and troll and act like a bunch of idiots just for the hell of it. I'd like to be able to, but I can't. I can't afford it. But if I can send lee some money one month then I sure as hell am going to. Like I said, this shit costs money and time.


One thing this board is good at is responding to the complaints of people here. So, for that reason I disagree with velvet and I do think you had a right to post this publicly.

If people really think not being able to delete their posts is a detriment then they can vocalize it. It will get knocked around, pros, cons, possible alternatives, etc... and more than likely lee will decide to go with the majority of the user's opinions.


I can't actually speak for him (I don't know swedish) but that is my belief.

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Originally posted by Velvet@Oct 15 2004, 12:09 AM
So bloody shoot me down like most the others for deleteing peoples pages of spamming&nbsp; trying to make this place a good place for everyone .&nbsp; And do you see ads in this forum .. NO&nbsp; and its staying that way&nbsp; . Grow up ..this is the net as you so eagerly put it when you want to express a point and just friggen enjoy it .

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You don't want to open that book back up, hun. You delete SPAM when it's from someone you want to delete. But the biggest spammer here ('sup UDC) goes along without incident. Hypocrite.

Just stop KYOA, hun. Mmmmmkay?

[Tribal Dragon]

After learning that half the posts on this place are from the same friggin' person, I doubt this place is worth the 50 bucks for me.

[fermundacheese]

Originally posted by 7@Oct 14 2004, 04:55 PM
Also--I just noticed the ads on the portal page.&nbsp; Classic.

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You gonna pay for the site? If not then get off his ass about the ads.

You have some points with your other complaints since this site was supposed to be about posting whatever and whenever you want. Fact is, though, even this site is going to evolve a hierarchy of users. The longer people post, the longer they know each other, and the more cliquey a site becomes. If you don't think that's the case here, you've got blinders on.

IT is evolving just like any other community, online or offline. Nobody is trying to oppress you or censor you. They are simply trying to keep the site running for those of us who visit.

[CodeWarrior]

Originally posted by Velvet@Oct 14 2004, 07:09 PM
So bloody shoot me down like most the others for deleteing peoples pages of spamming&nbsp; trying to make this place a good place for everyone .&nbsp; And do you see ads in this forum .. NO&nbsp; and its staying that way&nbsp; . Grow up ..this is the net as you so eagerly put it when you want to express a point and just friggen enjoy it .

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The same person who deletes spam here encourages another to spam elsewhere, then gets super defensive when called on it and says she didn't encourage it, despite making a thread telling him how great it was.

Makes sense to me in the path to being like <insert future word filter here>.

Also, 7, no regular members can delete anything now. I can see the reasoning behind no thread deletion, but there is no reason to stop someone from deleteing their own post. Such things happen during slow times when you get impatient and hit the post button twice. Shit, even <insert future word filter here> lets members delete their own posts.

[Velvet]

Thankyou bdic and CW

[leucetios]

Originally posted by CodeWarrior@Oct 14 2004, 04:21 PM
Also, 7, no regular members can delete anything now. I can see the reasoning behind no thread deletion, but there is no reason to stop someone from deleteing their own post. Such things happen during slow times when you get impatient and hit the post button twice. Shit, even <insert future word filter here> lets members delete their own posts.

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And this is what makes this site different. See something you don't like (that is fixable)? Bring it up. Make a valid argument. And likely it will change.

I agree, deleting your own posts should be allowed (but not threads). Why? Well editing it to say nothing is the same as deleting, so why not? Also, in a couple of threads like the song association thread, if you're slow ('sup me?) then your post might fall out of line and not be relevant.