[Banana]

This was discussed in the shoutbox, but I wanted to comment here ....... I think everyone should see. The locked thread fiasco has been righted, hands have been slapped. But, I wonder if Ty really gets it.....I want to know why he was made an admin. He's bitching about trolls, people, etc. This board thrives on the trolls and people that he's bitching about. If bdic posted personal info in the shoutbox, that is dead wrong.....I think minwhorethreat did it too, and his thread was not locked, just info was deleted. If anyone has a problem with trolls/shit disturbers, etc., why are you here? It defeats the whole premise of this site if there is bitching and moaning about shit like that. Can Ty's title be PARTY POOPER please?

PS - don't just read and nod your head in agreement or shake it in disagreement, make your voice heard. I think everyone has an opinion about this. I'm not trying to flame Ty, but actions have consequences.

[leucetios]

I stand behind banana, and not just for the view. Especially considering how IT was formed, locking threads because "no good can come from it" an entirely subjective point of view, is just dead wrong.

Ty, you can't take this so seriously. Admins/mods are here not to monitor, censor or anything else like that. We're in case something happens to the site, or a truly unacceptable thread is posted. And that's not really subjective: hard core porn, child porn, member's personal information. Did I miss anything lee?

bdic shouting personal information was also wrong, but bdic is another issue altogether.

[mad_hatter]

Ty is my friend. Leave him alone











:loool: I kill me!

[TyrionXavier]

For the last fucking time, I was defending Velvet. Both of us decided that the thread should be locked, there was no-one else to "consult," and we did what we thought was right. Now fucking drop it.

[leucetios]

I think its the principal of the thing Ty. It shouldn't have been done in the first place, and really, you should have known that. There was nothing in that thread worth locking it for.

[Banana]

Originally posted by TyrionXavier@Jul 23 2004, 11:17 AM
For the last fucking time, I was defending Velvet. Both of us decided that the thread should be locked, there was no-one else to "consult," and we did what we thought was right. Now fucking drop it.

Fine. And I am taking a stand about it. And a few other things. I think that's allowed.

[mad_hatter]

only if you have a hall pass

[TyrionXavier]

The whole story:

-Bdic posted some personal information about Velvet in the shoutbox (violation of rule #10)
-Bdic starts a message thread as a direct result of the response that Velvet gave in the shoutbox, which is why the very first post in that thread centres on velvet
-Bdic's account is suspended for violating the rule
-I log on early this morning (eastern time)
-Velvet and I have a long conversation about what should be done
-The two of us agree that the thread is in incredibly poor taste, serves no purpose other than to show disrespect and incite hatred towards other IT users (violation of rule 6)
-Thread is locked
-Beau logs on, unlocks the thread, accuses me of doing things without "consulting us" Meanwhile, I did exactly what he accused me of not doing, consulted with the only available person at the time - Velvet
-Enormous argument ensues
-Everything is resolved, all is well with the world

Now this thread starts.

[Banana]

It would have been nice if you offered an explanation in a thread instead of in the shoutbox. That's all that was necessary. Then, everyone would know, not just the select few that were online when it happened.

[leucetios]

Originally posted by TyrionXavier+Jul 23 2004, 09:34 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TyrionXavier @ Jul 23 2004, 09:34 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>The whole story:

-Bdic posted some personal information about Velvet in the shoutbox (violation of rule #10)
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This is BS and the post in the shout should have been removed.

Originally posted by TyrionXavier@Jul 23 2004, 09:34 AM
The whole story:

-Bdic starts a message thread as a direct result of the response that Velvet gave in the shoutbox, which is why the very first post in that thread centres on velvet
-Bdic's account is suspended for violating the rule

I am torn on this one. I wouldn't have done that without consulting people. And I definately wouldn't have done it with consulting only one person, and a person who was involved. We're not like dogs who you have to punish right away or we don't get why we're being punished. Waiting a day, two days, a week? to talk to leeman, dev, beau, myself, or any other group of admins and then suspending the account would have been more appropriate

<!--QuoteBegin-TyrionXavier@Jul 23 2004, 09:34 AM
The whole story:
-I log on early this morning (eastern time)
-Velvet and I have a long conversation about what should be done
-The two of us agree that the thread is in incredibly poor taste, serves no purpose other than to show disrespect and incite hatred towards other IT users (violation of rule 6)
-Thread is locked
-Beau logs on, unlocks the thread, accuses me of doing things without "consulting us"  Meanwhile, I did exactly what he accused me of not doing, consulted with the only available person at the time - Velvet
-Enormous argument ensues
-Everything is resolved, all is well with the world

Now this thread starts.[/quote]

This thread starts because people on this board care about what the admins and mods do and don't want the board to turn into UJ. Banana's and everyone on here's voice is just as powerful as a mod/admin. Just because they don't that level of power don't discount their opinion or their voice. As a mod you have power, but you are also accountible for how you use it.

You used it in a way that people don't agree with, so there will be discussion and backlash. If you don't want that responsibility then don't be a mod.

Where is this list of rules? I've never seen it.

[mad_hatter]

Originally posted by TyrionXavier@Jul 23 2004, 12:34 PM
<snip>

Now this thread starts.

:joff:

[TyrionXavier]

I didn't suspend bdic's account. I wasn't even logged on at the time.

I never discounted anyone's opinion, I wasn't derrogatory in any way. I just listed a chronological recount of what happened.

As for being "accountable", I still think we did the right thing, and I stand by what Velvet and I did. In my opinion, the thread still violates the rules.

Rules of the site; see my attachment.

[Banana]

Originally posted by TyrionXavier@Jul 23 2004, 11:17 AM
Now fucking drop it.

Not derrogatory, nope.

As for being "accountable", I still think we did the right thing, and I stand by what Velvet and I did. In my opinion, the thread still violates the rules.

You don't get it. Please identify the rule the thread violated.

[leucetios]

:unsure: huh. I never read those :>

anyway, rule #6 says "respect your fellow members". If we actually started to enforce that we could kiss a lot of members goodbye.

You have every right to stand by your decision. All I was saying was don't expect everyone to agree with you, and so you're going to go through trial by fire for your decision. Get used to it.

[APB]

hmmm guess I missed alot yesterday. <_<

[mad_hatter]

doesn't matter. Ty is a whiny bitch ever day, stick around you'll be able to pick right up where we left off.


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hope that helps, Ty

[fem]

What's going on in here? <_<

[mad_hatter]

I'm slowly taking off your shirt.... oh wait, wrong thread :>

[Beaucephus]

The situation has been resolved. My apologies to our members for the occurrence. People understand soemthing.........Things will be said on here that hurt others feelings. It happens in the real world and it WILL happen here as well. My advice to those of you that can't handle it is just leave the thread and post elsewhere OR just leave period. We are not going to start getting into that fucking bullshit of locking OR deleting threads just because someone's "feelings" get hurt. I won't stand for it. BDIC posted personal information about another here. That shit don't fly either. TY made a mistake and jumped the gun a bit. Velvet was the lasdt person in the world he should have consulted with because naturally she was biased against the content of the thread anyway. This isn't the first time she has done this either. That woman needs a vacation off the goddamned computer for awhile. she taking shit waayyyy too seriously here. However, she has been with us from the beginning and I love her to death. She is an inherently good person. I will be talking to Lee about this whole matter when he comes back online. Once again, my apologies to you all for having to deal with this, more especially on Friday! This post will be pinned indefinitely as you all have a say here in my book. Let yourself be known if you feel like it. B)

[mad_hatter]

U R GAY