[Anhil8tor]

Post'em

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

5 Best:

Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
Franklin Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan
George Washington


5 Worst:

Millard Fillmore
Ulysses S Grant
Andrew Johnson
James Buchanan
John Tyler

[leeman]

5 Best:

Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
Franklin Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan
George Washington


5 Worst:

Millard Fillmore
Ulysses S Grant
Andrew Johnson
James Buchanan
John Tyler

Have to agree with the flump....

[quint]

Best
T.Roosevelt
Jefferson
Washington
Lincoln
Truman

Worst
Grant
Carter
Taft
GW Bush
JQ Adams

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Best
T.Roosevelt
Jefferson
Washington
Lincoln
Truman

Worst
Grant
Carter
Taft
GW Bush
JQ Adams

Was JQ Adams bad? He's the son right?

[snarg]

i know that w was the worst evah
the rest is moot
reagan belongs on neither list, ranking him with those others is an insult to intelligence

but then, you are a stupit racist, so i am not surpised

as for the swede chiming in here, maybe waterskiing tomorrow??

[Anhil8tor]

Chef told me Reagan was the worse ever. Being I was just a lad then... I was curious as to why he was so bad. I thought Reagan was a good president....

[quint]

Was JQ Adams bad? He's the son right?

john q was john adams' son.
he was 2nd in the election to jackson and made a deal with henry clay regarding the sec of state to steal the election.
henry clay becomes sec of state.

[snarg]

reagan was mediocre at best
he did make people feel better in general, so i give him a higher rating than he might deserve
the general feeling of the country is more important than people realize

jimmy carter had a lot of potential, but was undermined by a lot of behind the scenes dirty tricks
the republican string-pullers really did him in, a great disservice to the country
he was far more qualified and intelligent than reagan
that election was manipulated to make him lose, it is so obvious i need not explain
these anomalies are the reason other countries laugh when the US says they want to send in election inspectors
the electoral process in america has become a joke around the world

[BIRD33]

Flump what did Grant do that was worse than GW?The fact you don't have him on your list invalidates it or do you have some post cival war grudge you are holding onto or(most likely) you looked this shit up and copied and pasted it?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Flump what did Grant do that was worse than GW?The fact you don't have him on your list invalidates it or do you have some post cival war grudge you are holding onto or(most likely) you looked this shit up and copied and pasted it?

No, I didn't copy and paste it. And I don't have GWB on the list because its way too early to tell. I still think that history will record the things that he did in office favorably. So, no need to argue this one, history will show one way or the other in a few years. I certainly would never say that he deserves to be in the top 5, but I doubt he will be in the bottom 5.

As far as JQ Adams, I know that the concensus was that he stole the election from Jackson, but aside from that, his presidency wasn't all that bad. The worst thing he did in my eyes was join the Anti-Masonic party after being President. I just don't think that he deserves to be in the bottom 5.

The reason that I put US Grant in the bottom 5 is because his presidency was full of scandal and corruption and his hate for the south. Having the general of the Union army in charge during reconstruction sucked pretty bad for the south.

[BIRD33]

Grant did almost as much for the cause of free blacks than Lincoln.He sucked for the south as you say because he didnt allow the KKK to take over.This is where we might differ on what a good president is.He stopped the KKK from being the law of the land and terrorizing blacks.Yea what a terrible president.The South would have been an even more terrible place post reconstruction without him.

He was also the first president to be elected without the majority of white voters.

[BIRD33]

PS

I love the new way to explain cheerleading failed policies of GW.Give him 100 years!!

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

PS

I love the new way to explain cheerleading failed policies of GW.Give him 100 years!!

I never said 100 years. It could be in the next 10 years or less. It just depends on the effects of a Democratic Iraq and what the ripple effect will be in the middle east.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Grant did almost as much for the cause of free blacks than Lincoln.He sucked for the south as you say because he didnt allow the KKK to take over.This is where we might differ on what a good president is.He stopped the KKK from being the law of the land and terrorizing blacks.Yea what a terrible president.The South would have been an even more terrible place post reconstruction without him.

He was also the first president to be elected without the majority of white voters.

Probably the one and only thing that he did good during his presidency was stand up for civil rights of the negros. But, all of the other corruption and bullshit that was part of his presidency was insane. He was even part of a Wall Street takeover of the gold market.

[BIRD33]

How's that worse than the socialist policies of the Bush Administration?

I'm just saying Katrina, Iraq and torture are far worse than anything that happened during Grants term and he was the negro helping guy which is historic to make him a better president than GW.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

How's that worse than the socialist policies of the Bush Administration?

I'm just saying Katrina, Iraq and torture are far worse than anything that happened during Grants term and he was the negro helping guy which is historic to make him a better president than GW.

wtf are you talking about? Bush didn't fuck up Katrina. That was a time bomb waiting to go off. You didn't hear the people in Galveston and Corpus crying and whining about wanting visa cards and tons of government bailout after they got hit this year. Just because a few thousand crackheads decided to sit out a storm in a town below sea level so they could loot and pillage for a few days, isn't Bush's fault.

And how is Bush going in to defend the fundamental human rights of a bunch of sand you-know-what's any different than Grant helping out the negros here?

[BIRD33]

wtf are you talking about? Bush didn't fuck up Katrina. That was a time bomb waiting to go off. You didn't hear the people in Galveston and Corpus crying and whining about wanting visa cards and tons of government bailout after they got hit this year. Just because a few thousand crackheads decided to sit out a storm in a town below sea level so they could loot and pillage for a few days, isn't Bush's fault.

And how is Bush going in to defend the fundamental human rights of a bunch of sand you-know-what's any different than Grant helping out the negros here?

Wow.I mean just wow.Do you remember people at the superdome spending 3 days without clean water and surrounded by dead bodies?Do you remember how after day 2 the president had to be shown news footage to understand how badly they lacked relief efforts down there?Do you remember the quote "Heck of a job, Brownie" being a prime example of bush's aloofness on this disaster?I kind of remember you not defending bush when this was happening but now he did a great job?Pathetic.

The difference you ask for between what Bush did compared to what grant did is that Grant helped this countries people and didnt use a couple thousand dead americans to settle a score in a place 75% of the american people dont want us in.

You are a joke.I pray your kid marrys a black person.

[snarg]

blah, blah, blabbidy blah
oh, oh, here it is:

(flump) You are a joke.I pray your kid marrys a black person.

bush will go down as the worst no matter what happens in the middle east
when america invades a country under false pretenses to boost a fucking idiots ego, the world loses all respect for the nation
maybe the damage is not irreparable, but it will take a long to for the US to reestablish itself as a world leader in anything other than arms

yeah, flumpindick, might makes right
great policy, you fucking stupit idiot

[BIRD33]

It was such a bad decision that electing a black guy became a possibility.How is that for proof that it was a terrible decision when you are living in a country where 50% are racist?