[who]

is testaverde available?

[snarg]

In no order except Montana on top.

Montana
Unitas
Elway
Marino

And one of these guys.

Fran Tarkenton
Steve Young
Brett Favre
Joe Namath
Bart Starr
Dan Fouts
Joe Theisman
Len Dawson
Bob Griese
Roger Staubach
Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
Phil Simms
Jim Kelly
Warren Moon

All you have to say is Brady never won without spying and you have a legit point.They're all tarnished unless they win again.

good list, but there are older guys missing
some from even before my time ><

for me, montana is number one, but partly cause i lived in the bay area during his heyday
what a lucky break
i was there when duke snider, a true hall of famer, was the third best center fielder in ny
really a golden age of baseball

brady has already gone by some of these guys, for sure

and, oh yeah: " Belichick is 41-57 as a head coach when Brady isn’t his quarterback."

clearly a football genius

[WoolyGoat]

What's Phil Jackson's record without MJ? or even w/o Shaq/Kobe for that matter?

[BIRD33]

Jackson's critics are quick to say that he was fortunate to coach Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen in their primes in Chicago and then to coach Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant in their primes in Los Angeles. During his speech, Jackson himself mused, "Who could have been more fortunate than I am, to have stumbled into this success?" The reality is that few people ever truly stumble into success and no one does so nine times at the highest level of his profession. Before Jackson became the head coach of the Chicago Bulls in 1989, Michael Jordan had amassed a playoff record of 14-23 in five seasons. Chicago went 10-6 in the playoffs in Jackson's first campaign and then won three straight titles. Before Jackson became the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers in 1999, Shaquille O'Neal was a seven year veteran who had made one trip to the NBA Finals when his Orlando Magic were swept in 1995. O'Neal's teams were also swept out of the playoffs in 1994, 1996 and 1998. The Lakers went 67-15 in Jackson's first season and won the franchise's first championship since 1988 and followed that up with two more titles and a run to the 2004 Finals.

Jordan and O'Neal have become so popular and iconic that it is almost considered sacrilege to even suggest that neither of them is perfect but under Jackson's tutelage both players corrected flaws in their approaches to the game. In Jordan's case, he needed to trust his teammates more fully and not try to do everything himself on offense; O'Neal needed to get into better shape, become more of a defensive force and function as the hub of the Triangle Offense (O'Neal's blocked shots, rebounds and assists all soared in Jackson's first year in L.A.). Jordan and O'Neal had already proven that they could have great individual success but Jackson helped them to channel their skills into transforming their teams into championship squads.

Belichek is no Phil Jackson.Also take into account he's been bending the rules since Cleveland.

[BIRD33]

good list, but there are older guys missing
some from even before my time ><

for me, montana is number one, but partly cause i lived in the bay area during his heyday
what a lucky break
i was there when duke snider, a true hall of famer, was the third best center fielder in ny
really a golden age of baseball

brady has already gone by some of these guys, for sure

and, oh yeah: " Belichick is 41-57 as a head coach when Brady isn’t his quarterback."

clearly a football genius

Brady had an unfair competitive advantage over all these guys.You can't argue for him without that being brought up.Thats why he'll forever not make the top 5.

[BIRD33]

Peter King made an interesting point about how if Favre would have stayed retired he could have come back now and been traded to the pats and would be throwing to his boy, Randy Moss.

[snarg]

brady didn't cheat
you make too much of this, tweety
he is well on his way, drop your obsession

that's good about favre, i bet he would love to be there
i just saw him talking about bellicheat
it sounded like he would suck his dick if he could

[BIRD33]

Brady didnt video tape the other team but he gained from that.He had an unfair advantage that no other great QB had.How would Joe Montana have done knowing what play the defense was calling?Its not Bradys fault(even though I think he knew what was going on) because it ultimately falls on the coaches head but regardless you have to take Brady out of the greatest QB ever discussion because of this.

[Anhil8tor]

how many championships do you have to win to be a dynasty...


on a related note I got my sports illustrated in yesterday. While thumbing through it I saw the picture of brady getting hurt. In the backgroud it looked to me like they actually hung a banner that says 16-0.

Please wooly tell me they don't have a 16-0 banner up.

[BIRD33]

3 championships in 4 years or less.

I read that Kraft had a banner made celebrating the 16-0 season.

I swear half of New England thinks the rest of the world forgot that they shit the bed in the superbowl.

[snarg]

yeah, they had a 16-0 banner
i laffed

[BIRD33]

To sum up, Wooleys a dick.

[WoolyGoat]

No different than any team hanging regular season or division winning banners. Happens all the time.

No one thinks that anyone's forgotten anything either...you're far from the pulse, as usual.

[snarg]

yeah, like the big shrill talking about new york
what a dick

[WoolyGoat]

yeah, like the big shrill talking about new york
what a dick

um, what?

[snarg]

shilling, the biggest idiot in baseball, telling the world what the "mood" in nyc is
without being there, of course

[WoolyGoat]

sure, ok snarg!

[who]

Looks to be a long year for the Raiders

[Anhil8tor]

I love the fact that favre couldn't get it done against a backup QB while Aaron Rodgers had another great game...

[BIRD33]

I still think favre will get close to his usual numbers this year.He looked confused at times and not in sync with his offense which will get better as the season progresses.

Rogers looked good but I think both teams he's faced have sucked.