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BIRD33 Wrote:I'm going to bet that being charged with a felony is the reason Goodel had a closed door meeting with Vick.
I will take action with anyone that Vick will play another snap in the NFL.
Qyntell Woods of the TrialBlazers got busted for dogfighting two years ago and got zero days in jail.Granted there werent as many charges compared to vick but he still got no jail time and was immediatly able to resume his professional career.Worst case for Vick is he gets two or three years and does a whole religious conversion when he gets out and then gets picked up by the team most desperate for a starting QB.The $$'s he can bring a franchise by winning outweighs a dog fighting conviction that by that point will be a 4 year old story.
He's no better than a child molester. Nobody will want to bring their kids to watch him play. Every time most people watch him their stomach will turn regardless of how well he plays football. This will never go away.
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will you draft him tho leeman...
thats the tough question
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Anhil8tor Wrote:will you draft him tho leeman...
thats the tough question
Sure ....
Tickets and ads makes money....
Just sayin'
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My prediction is that he gets 6 months jail time and another year of NFL suspension. Then he'll be able to come back at the young age of 28. Likely someone will give him a chance but not as a starter. I can't imagine any NFL team being willing to invest serious dollars in the guy and counting on him to be their starter at this point.
But I do think he'll return to the league when it is all done.
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he's done in the nfl even if he does the smart thing and pleads guilty before they pile on more charges.
he's toast - no one will want the press/public headache he will cause when whatever time is served.
Philly ostracized TO and he was just a talented loud mouth that wasn't a team player.
Can you imagine Philly fans if they even thought Vick was coming to town?
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PETRINO'S PRIVATE NUMBER WAS FOUND AT VICK'S VIRGINIA HOUSE
A source with knowledge of the Mike Vick investigation has shared with us some previously unknown details about the situation.
Here's the kicker, in our view. The feds' initial search of Mike Vick's house in Virginia turned up Falcons coach Bobby Petrino's private phone number. The implication is obvious -- Vick goes to the property, and had been there this year, because Petrino was hired in January 2007.
Compare that nugget to Vick's only comments on the matter: "I never go there."
Also, the second federal search of the Vick property in Surry County was aimed at confirming the reliability and credibility of the informants. The dog carcasses found on the second dig meshed with information given regarding the means of death; thus, an indictment was obtained 10 days later.
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SO WHO BOUGHT VICK'S HOUSE?
Once of the details that has gotten lost in the shuffle during the past month or so since Mike Vick was indicted on federal conspiracy charges is the sale of his property in Surry County, Virginia, which apparently was never consummated.
A local business owner said that "heads will turn" when the identity of the new owner is revealed.
It has never happened.
So who was it?
We've picked up some information in this regard, but aren't quite ready to reveal the name. We might ultimately have to hand it over to someone from the "real" media who is in a position to confirm it.
But, yeah, heads will turn if what we're hearing ends up being true.
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ARE THERE FOLKS AT ESPN WHO FEAR THE "G" WORD?
As we continue to monitor ESPN's handling of the Mike Vick prosecution, we continue to see entire segments devoted to the case that mention not once the fact that the more serious charge that Vick presently faces is the claim that he conspired to maintain an interstate gambling operation.
Just now on Man-Girl & Meatball in the Morning (also known as "Mike and Mike"), Mike Greenberg and Michael Smith (who should replace one of the two Mikes permanently, in our view) talked at length with Roger Cossack about the possibility of a plea deal.
The word "gambling" wasn't uttered once.
At one point, one of the Mikes asked Cossack what Vick would be pleading guilty to if he does a deal. In his response, Cossack seemed to be deliberately avoiding the fact that conspiracy to maintain an interstate gambling enterprise is one of the three statutes that Vick allegedly conspired to violate -- and thus one of only three things to which we could plead guilty.
Also, there was no mention of the fact that Vick's biggest risk in refusing to accept a plea is that a new indictment will charge him with the underlying crime of interstate gambling, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years. Because dog fighting was a mere misdemeanor at the time all of this went down, those charges have a maximum sentence of only one year behind bars.
And, amazingly, a detailed graphic shown during the Cossack interview that attempted to summarize the charges did not contain the word "gambling."
With that said, we're told that there have been some references to the gambling angle on ESPN. For example, Chris Berman talked about the gambling aspect of the situation on Monday Night Countdown this week.
Still, we're getting the distinct impression that there are producers and on-air talent in Bristol who have decided that it's not in their best interests to mention the "G" word in this case.
But now that the Commissioner has acknowledged the league's concern about the gambling aspect (which we continue to hear is far more important to the federal government than the dog-fighting component), why does any portion of the "real" media feel compelled not to mention the gambling?
We can think of two possible reasons. First, the gambling side of it isn't as sexy as the dog fighting. But even if that's the case, wouldn't the gambling at least be mentioned?
Second, the powers-that-be at ESPN know that a certain segment of the audience that drives the rating points (and thus the advertising dollars and cable subscriber fees) is watching in order to obtain information that will assist their own gambling activities. So if the folks on the air are talking about how easy it is for anyone to establish an illegal interstate gambling operation based on any type of gambling (including betting on the sports that ESPN covers), some of the members of the audience who are currently participating in illegal interstate gambling operations might get scared straight.
And then have no further reason to watch ESPN.
Cynical? Yes. Realistic? You decide.
Before folks start filling up our in box with e-mails reminding us that ESPN has been covering the Tim Donaghy case, keep in mind that there's no way to cover that story without talking about the gambling. Also, the moral of the Donaghy story is that refs shouldn't bet on the sports that they cover; there's a subtle implication in that message that it's okay for all of the non-refs out there to put money down on the sports that they follow.
Regardless of the reason, this is one of the strangest journalistic phenomena we have ever seen. And if the gambling angle hasn't been overlooked by plenty of folks at ESPN for a specific reason, then the only explanation is that Emmitt Smith isn't the only
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8 just got a zillion crackers for that post.
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IS VICK GOING ALL IN?
With much uncertainty surrounding the outcome of an NFL suspension and possible Virginia charges, it could be that Mike Vick has opted to reject (for now) the possibility of pleading guilty to pending federal charges.
Indeed, a federal grand jury has convened in Richmond, and it's expected that the grand jury will indict Vick on additional charges.
If Vick's primary motivation is to get back onto the football field, and if there's no way of knowing when that will happen if he agrees to the pending plea offer, the only way that Vick will be able to return is by fighting the current charges (and any new counts) in the hopes of securing an acquittal.
If Vick pleads guilty, he likely won't be back in the NFL until 2009, at the very earliest. In fact, 2010 might be the more realistic season in which he would be allowed to return after spending a year or so in jail (which will wipe out, by the time his term starts, all of the 2007 and 2008 seasons) and after serving a post-prison suspension of one year.
If the suspension is stiffer, Vick waits even longer.
So while he'll be likely to face more than 20 years behind bars once he is indicted on the underlying federal violations that, for now, he is only charged with conspiring to commit, the quickest path back to the NFL is to fight the charges and win.
The stakes, of course, couldn't be higher. If Vick is convicted on all charges, he's looking at a long, long time behind bars -- possibly more than a decade.
On Friday, one of Vick's lawyers said that there is no deadline for accepting the plea deal, but that prosecutors wanted to wrap the thing up by the end of last week. Logic and common sense suggest that, with no deal announced as of Monday morning, Vick has decided to pass on the offer.
In fact, it's possible that the offer is no longer on the table.
If so, the federal authorities will move forward, with only one defendant on whom to focus. And our guess is that they will be even more determined and zealous in their pursuit of Vick, because the prosecutors surely believe that they made him a fair offer, which they likewise believe should have been accepted.
Moving forward, a new indictment likely will mean a new trial date. Our present guess is that the case will be set to start in early January, making it a direct distraction from the NFL postseason.
Also, look for Commissioner Roger Goodell to suspend Vick for the 2007 season within the next two weeks. Although former U.S. Attorney Eric Holder apparently has not yet submitted a final report to Goodell, the admissions signed on Friday by Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace give the Commish all the ammo he needs to eject Vick from the game for the 2007 season, with further penalties possible based on the evidence presented at trial.
The bottom line? If Vick goes all in on these charges, he'll either play in the NFL in 2008. Or never again. With no way of knowing when or if a guilty plea on current charges would allow him to return to the league, and with pro football such a huge part of his identity, it's starting to look like that's the path he will choose.
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Vick just took a plea. all hail the Joey Harrington era in atlanta ><
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If the Vbookie still worked I think a sweet pool would be pick the NFL team who takes a chance on him coming out of prison.I'd pick the seahawks.
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Wooly,
Is it still too early to call it?
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8, change the thread title to "Vick done for 2007"
edit: fuck, I hate when 8 beats me to the punch
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If we want this to be a respectable site people visit to get their daily football news, you really need to wait until it's official.
And he'll either go to the Bengals or the Trailblazers.
Why is it always the NFL guys that beat their wives, etc? You would think being a quarterback is stimulation enough.
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