[BIRD33]

Yeah, he was big on the "do not nation build" theme. I just couldn't find anywhere that he adapted the term to somalia.

Regardless, that doesn't add up well to what he is doing in Iraq. Nation building is exactly what we are trying to do. Turns out he was right. We shouldn't be doing it.

I think some times you have to.Eventually when or if N korea falls you'd have to just to make those nukes safe.Its a last resort though which is why iraq is so fucked up.

[lettuce cheese]

Black southerners is the small %.

OK, but then how do you explain a homo marriage ban passing easily in places like OR and MI, states with hardly a stong conservative presence?

[BIRD33]

OK, but then how do you explain a homo marriage ban passing easily in places like OR and MI, states with hardly a stong conservative presence?

I never tried to explain it.I just said a majority of americans don't care when you have issues like Iraq on the table.If so many care why didnt that bill pass?

[lettuce cheese]

I never tried to explain it.I just said a majority of americans don't care when you have issues like Iraq on the table.If so many care why didnt that bill pass?

They do care....why do you think Rove parades this issue around during election time? He knows that it will get not only his base out, but the moderates who find the idea of homo "marriage" repulsive. As for why it didnt pass, thats easy....we have senators who are too gutless to vote their principles.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

They do care....why do you think Rove parades this issue around during election time? He knows that it will get not only his base out, but the moderates who find the idea of homo "marriage" repulsive. As for why it didnt pass, thats easy....we have senators who are too gutless to vote their principles.

Rove does it because Bush can come out against it and get defeated. It gives the impression that the Republican party is not strong enough to hold off the Democrats. Surely they never thought that bill would pass. It was just to create some smoke and mirrors.

Have you guys heard that it sounds like Al Gore may jump back into the race as a Democrat?

[BIRD33]

They do care....why do you think Rove parades this issue around during election time? He knows that it will get not only his base out, but the moderates who find the idea of homo "marriage" repulsive. As for why it didnt pass, thats easy....we have senators who are too gutless to vote their principles.

I already said it was a distraction to get the gop bible thumpers to the polls.Its not enough to make people forget the lies and the overall horrible planning by this administration, its not a bigger issue than Iraq thats going to change votes.

[BIRD33]

Rove does it because Bush can come out against it and get defeated. It gives the impression that the Republican party is not strong enough to hold off the Democrats. Surely they never thought that bill would pass. It was just to create some smoke and mirrors.

Have you guys heard that it sounds like Al Gore may jump back into the race as a Democrat?

I hope he does.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I already said it was a distraction to get the gop bible thumpers to the polls.Its not enough to make people forget the lies and the overall horrible planning by this administration, its not a bigger issue than Iraq.

Do you really think that Rove is going to be indicted?

Look, no matter who runs ('sup McCain?) they are all going to distance themselves from Iraq. Bush couldn't get re-elected right now, but he isn't running. Someone else, that hasn't been involved in the presidential circle will be running. We know it won't be Bush, Powell, Cheney, Rumsfield, or Rice. At least I don't think it will be Rice. Anyone else that runs is going to be unattached to any damage that can be caused by the war. I think if the Dem's spend their time trying to argue about it and who lied, etc....they are going to look like whining children. One video of them standing on the white house steps singing god bless america and another video of them pointing their finger at the camera and telling Sadam that we are coming after him and everyone will remember the mood of the country when that war started. That argument is going to be fruitless.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I hope he does.

If I was a Democrat I might be inclined to hope he did, too. If he could lose the stiff shirt, fake voice thing and tone it down. He's aged and I bet he would be a much better candidate.

I don't think the Dem party can hang any hope on Hillary. She's a novelty and they never survive a full blown election. She'll be a good fundraiser, but not a good candidate. And she won't take the VP spot.

Its usually elections like this one that a Washington outsider appears. Like Jimmy Carter. Maybe Gulianni or Petaki.

[BIRD33]

I do think Rove will be indicted.Not many people have to testify 3 or four times unless they are trying to clear something up and its getting ovbvious that Cheyneys strategy was to get the word out on who plame was and if libby did it rove did it.

The mood of the country right before the iraq invasion was built on lies and thats an important thing to remember.Of course the Democrat candidate won't focus entirely on that issue but its an important one.

[BIRD33]

If I was a Democrat I might be inclined to hope he did, too. If he could lose the stiff shirt, fake voice thing and tone it down. He's aged and I bet he would be a much better candidate.

I don't think the Dem party can hang any hope on Hillary. She's a novelty and they never survive a full blown election. She'll be a good fundraiser, but not a good candidate. And she won't take the VP spot.

Its usually elections like this one that a Washington outsider appears. Like Jimmy Carter. Maybe Gulianni or Petaki.

Please stop voting based on who you'd like to have a beer with.Look what happened.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Please stop voting based on who you'd like to have a beer with.Look what happened.

Sorry man, facts are facts.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I do think Rove will be indicted.Not many people have to testify 3 or four times unless they are trying to clear something up and its getting ovbvious that Cheyneys strategy was to get the word out on who plame was and if libby did it rove did it.

The mood of the country right before the iraq invasion was built on lies and thats an important thing to remember.Of course the Democrat candidate won't focus entirely on that issue but its an important one.

I don't know about this. I will agree with one thing, I don't know how one of those four (Libby, Cheney, Rove, Bush) could know that information and all four not know the same thing. Libby didn't think up that idea on his own.

But if Libby takes the sword and none of the others have anything like a bunch of tape recordings of themselves talking about it, then who knows.

I don't know what will come out of that investigation.

[SanDog]

I hope Gore runs as well. I would love for his SUV driving global warming hawking ass to get kicked again. I would love to hear a real national debate on global warming, and get these scientist are afraid of losing funding to come out and say what they really think is happening. There is too much ambiguity around it for me.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

I hope Gore runs as well. I would love for his SUV driving global warming hawking ass to get kicked again. I would love to hear a real national debate on global warming, and get these scientist are afraid of losing funding to come out and say what they really think is happening. There is too much ambiguity around it for me.

His "internet thing" is seeming to catch on pretty well.

[Raiden]

internets.

[ClayRock]

internets.

great post Raiden, saved the thread

[BIRD33]

Didnt the election get stolen from gore by someone who turned out to be the worst pres ever?I like gores chances.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Didnt the election get stolen from gore by someone who turned out to be the worst pres ever?I like gores chances.

That election should have been in the bag for Gore. He queered it up from beginning to end. Bush should have never had a chance.

[BIRD33]

He got the popular vote, ballots were thrown out and the judge who decided it ultimatly is a hunting partner of Cheyney.Some people think he did win it.