[Anhil8tor]

Any idea if Obama will announce tonight that he has decided to quit drilling for oil? We here in the good ole south are on pins and needles.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Your state is full of shitheads.Nobody is disputing that.Its still left wing to be pro-death penalty and I love how you arent calling it left wing propaganda after I learned you.

I posted links to where I got my info including a news story from March 7th of this year.Can I assume since you accused me of posting biased info the paragraph you listed to dispute what I wrote was from an unbiased source?Please post where you got all that from so we can be sure you're not a hypocrite.Is 60 minutes a unreliable left wing organization because I got a lot of my info from their story the other night about New Mexico repealing it.


Lets also pretend that 256 people who have been sentenced to death and then been exonerated since 1989 never happened. Lets also pretend we havent executed probably a dozen innocent people over the years.Pay no attention to Illinois who have released 7 innocent people after convicting them and sentencing them to death since 1994.

I await with high anticipation your unbiased sources.

Seriously, you have this all fucked up. People are pushing this idea to get the states to repeal the death penalty on reasons other than the fact that they just don't like killing people. But the facts are fucked up and are not substatiated. No matter how much work they have put in to make them appear so.

It is simply bullshit to say that it costs more to incarcerate someone for the rest of their life rather than to kill them. The upfront cost of killing a person is more because their appeals come hot and heavy and nearly all at once. But once you get past those 6 years or so, and they are dead, the cost of the lifetime inmate over take the cost of the execution. That is a fact.

And my source was some "answers.com" site. If you can prove that its a propoganda site, then more power to you.

For me this is pretty much just a common sense decision. I'm pretty smart like that.

[BIRD33]

Seriously, you have this all fucked up. People are pushing this idea to get the states to repeal the death penalty on reasons other than the fact that they just don't like killing people. But the facts are fucked up and are not substatiated. No matter how much work they have put in to make them appear so.

It is simply bullshit to say that it costs more to incarcerate someone for the rest of their life rather than to kill them. The upfront cost of killing a person is more because their appeals come hot and heavy and nearly all at once. But once you get past those 6 years or so, and they are dead, the cost of the lifetime inmate over take the cost of the execution. That is a fact.

And my source was some "answers.com" site. If you can prove that its a propoganda site, then more power to you.

For me this is pretty much just a common sense decision. I'm pretty smart like that.

How can you say the mistaken convictions and budgetary reasons states like new mexico and illinois are repealing the death penalty are unsubstantiated?

No one gets executed inside 6 years unless they are pleading to go to the gas chamber.The average time if you looked at any of the links not from askjeeves.com that I posted is between 12 and 23 years before execution.So when you state "that is a fact" that in fact is not a fact.

I'm dealing with a guy who gets his facts from ask.com.Ok.

I'm pointing out hard facts from actual news articles that I'm posting links to and 60 minutes and you are using ask.com but I guess you've got the real information on this subject.

I'm embarrassed for you.

[WoolyGoat]

is flumper saying he asked Jeeves?

[BIRD33]

is flumper saying he asked Jeeves?

That was my own literary embellishment.He used ask.com which is so much better then askjeeves.com, right?Thats what Einstein would have used.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

is flumper saying he asked Jeeves?

Google the question and it will be pretty clear where the facts lay. The only sites that spend a bunch of numbers and research to back up the fact that killing a person is more expensive than keeping them in jail for 40 years are the ones that are against the death penalty.

Its just simply not true that it costs more to kill someone than to keep them alive in jail for the rest of their lives.

I think it costs about $75,000 to $90,000 to keep them in jail EVERY year. They say the average life span in jail is about 40 years. That's about $3.6 million dollars just to keep them in jail.

They both get the same trials. They both get the same appeals. Its not rocket science. The only reason they make it confusing is so you think they know what they are talking about.

[Banana]

Google the question and it will be pretty clear where the facts lay. The only sites that spend a bunch of numbers and research to back up the fact that killing a person is more expensive than keeping them in jail for 40 years are the ones that are against the death penalty.

Its just simply not true that it costs more to kill someone than to keep them alive in jail for the rest of their lives.

I think it costs about $75,000 to $90,000 to keep them in jail EVERY year. They say the average life span in jail is about 40 years. That's about $3.6 million dollars just to keep them in jail.

They both get the same trials. They both get the same appeals. Its not rocket science. The only reason they make it confusing is so you think they know what they are talking about.

Great point.

[BIRD33]

Google the question and it will be pretty clear where the facts lay. The only sites that spend a bunch of numbers and research to back up the fact that killing a person is more expensive than keeping them in jail for 40 years are the ones that are against the death penalty.

Its just simply not true that it costs more to kill someone than to keep them alive in jail for the rest of their lives.

I think it costs about $75,000 to $90,000 to keep them in jail EVERY year. They say the average life span in jail is about 40 years. That's about $3.6 million dollars just to keep them in jail.

They both get the same trials. They both get the same appeals. Its not rocket science. The only reason they make it confusing is so you think they know what they are talking about.

Google circumcision information and you'll get both sides of the issue.Doesnt mean what you get from ask.com is accurate.You picked up biased info and used it as facts when it clearly isnt since you're scared to post the link.Post the links if you're so sure of yourself.

Where did you get that the average life span of someone in jail is 40 years while you're at it?

Is every person sentenced to death 19 years old?The average age of a death row inmate is 45 years old.Do you really think we have to pay for 60 some years of incarceration?Thats a bullshit stat but thats never stopped you before.

The only reason it seems confusing is because you have no hard sources to back you up.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Google circumcision information and you'll get both sides of the issue.Doesnt mean what you get from ask.com is accurate.You picked up biased info and used it as facts when it clearly isnt since you're scared to post the link.Post the links if you're so sure of yourself.

Where did you get that the average life span of someone in jail is 40 years while you're at it?

Is every person sentenced to death 19 years old?The average age of a death row inmate is 45 years old.Do you really think we have to pay for 60 some years of incarceration?Thats a bullshit stat but thats never stopped you before.

The only reason it seems confusing is because you have no hard sources to back you up.

Calm down dumbass.

I said the average number of years you have to incarcertate someone on for "life without parole" is 40 years. That means they can come in at 19 and die at 59 or come in at 40 and live to be 80. Its an average.

What do you think the "average" number of years you have to keep someone in jail on "life without parole" would be?

My point in this is that you don't have to go to propoganda sites to get all the facts. You can go to just get the information that it takes for a brain like mine to figure out his own answer to a question.

They both get the same trail. They both get the same appeals. The cost of keeping them in jail for a year are the same.

So, you kill one of them and you pay so much a year to keep the other one in jail. If I'm footing the bill, I'll take the dead guy and you can pay to keep the other one alive for the next 40 years. Or 20, or whatever number you want to google and use.

[BIRD33]

Calm down dumbass.

I said the average number of years you have to incarcertate someone on for "life without parole" is 40 years. That means they can come in at 19 and die at 59 or come in at 40 and live to be 80. Its an average.

What do you think the "average" number of years you have to keep someone in jail on "life without parole" would be?

My point in this is that you don't have to go to propoganda sites to get all the facts. You can go to just get the information that it takes for a brain like mine to figure out his own answer to a question.

They both get the same trail. They both get the same appeals. The cost of keeping them in jail for a year are the same.

Thats simply not true.Read the MSNBC link I posted.Thats added 186 million to the cost of convicting someone of murder in 162 cases compared to non death penalty cases.

In Maryland, a 2008 Urban Institute study said taxpayers forked out at least $37.2 million for each of five executions since the death penalty was re-enacted in 1978. The survey, which examined 162 capital cases, found that simply seeking the death penalty added $186 million to prosecution costs. Gov. Martin O'Malley, who disdains the death penalty on moral and financial grounds, is pushing a bill to repeal it.




So, you kill one of them and you pay so much a year to keep the other one in jail. If I'm footing the bill, I'll take the dead guy and you can pay to keep the other one alive for the next 40 years. Or 20, or whatever number you want to google and use.

You just don't get the added amount of litigation that goes on in order to put someone to death.I post the information stating the cost differences from unbiased sources and you still won't accept it.I think you living in Texas where you execute retarded people has you brainwashed.


POST ONE LINK BACKING UP YOUR POSITION OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Anhil8tor]

If bird doesn't agree you are wrong. Give up.

[BIRD33]

If bird doesn't agree you are wrong. Give up.

Yea thats it.Whatever makes you sleep at night without actually thinking for yourself.

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

You just don't get the added amount of litigation that goes on in order to put someone to death.I post the information stating the cost differences from unbiased sources and you still won't accept it.I think you living in Texas where you execute retarded people has you brainwashed.


POST ONE LINK BACKING UP YOUR POSITION OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Melt much?

I don't need a link to back up what I am saying. You are posting huge numbers based on huge numbers of people. Even if it cost $182 million to kill 162 people, that's only a million each.

If it cost you $90,000 a year to keep them in jail, that's just a 10 year payout. Kill their ass and get it over with.

Its called cutting your losses. That's what smart business people do. If you had any common sense you could see how this works. Google isn't the answer to all the world's problems.

[Banana]

What sort of disincentive is "life in jail, with shelter over your head and 3 squares a day. Workout room, tv and educational opportunties available!" ?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

What sort of disincentive is "life in jail, with shelter over your head and 3 squares a day. Workout room, tv and educational opportunties available!" ?

It makes the pussies in the world like BIRD33 feel better about themselves because they saved a life, even if its a fucked up on.

They are the same ones that won't kill a spider or a snake if its in their house, so they call a neighbor to come catch it.

[BIRD33]

What sort of disincentive is "life in jail, with shelter over your head and 3 squares a day. Workout room, tv and educational opportunties available!" ?

But if convicted killers get life imprisonment instead of death, is that letting them off easy?Not a chance, says 52-year-old Gordon "Randy" Steidl. He lived on death row and then in the general prison population, after his sentence was commuted to life. He preferred his former accommodations.
Steidl was released in 2004 after being exonerated of the 1986 stabbing deaths of a newlywed couple in Paris, Ill. He had an alibi for the night of the murders, corroborated by others. But he was convicted on eyewitness testimony provided by the town drunk and the town drug addict. Both later recanted.
The state of Illinois spent $3.5 million trying to execute him, "only to end up giving me a life sentence," Steidl said. "And then 5 1/2 years after that, I was exonerated."
He spent 12 years in a tiny cell on death row. Then he was thrown into "gen pop," with its snarling mass of an open cellblock, where the prospect of being stabbed, raped or worse loomed constantly, alongside deafening noise and psychotic cell mates.
"If you really want to kill someone, give them life without parole," Steidl said in an even voice. He speaks of his troubled past as if it was trapped under glass or locked behind bars — visible but no longer able to torture him.
"It's worse than dying."

[Banana]

Well, there is that one opinion.

I've studied Social Control and Deviance - some homeless people actually commit huge crimes just to have those things.Sure, it might not apply to people who murder, as much (because I think they are actually mentally insane), but it does happen. Jail is an incentive to commit crime, to some people.

[BIRD33]

Melt much?

I don't need a link to back up what I am saying. You are posting huge numbers based on huge numbers of people. Even if it cost $182 million to kill 162 people, that's only a million each.

If it cost you $90,000 a year to keep them in jail, that's just a 10 year payout. Kill their ass and get it over with.

Its called cutting your losses. That's what smart business people do. If you had any common sense you could see how this works. Google isn't the answer to all the world's problems.

Thanks jeeves.

You can't kill them right away thats the problem.It takes years of resources that end up exceeding the cost of housing them for life to kill them.Not all prisoners make it past 50.

Why are these state repealing it then?What are they missing that you could google for them to set them straight?

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

But if convicted killers get life imprisonment instead of death, is that letting them off easy?Not a chance, says 52-year-old Gordon "Randy" Steidl. He lived on death row and then in the general prison population, after his sentence was commuted to life. He preferred his former accommodations.
Steidl was released in 2004 after being exonerated of the 1986 stabbing deaths of a newlywed couple in Paris, Ill. He had an alibi for the night of the murders, corroborated by others. But he was convicted on eyewitness testimony provided by the town drunk and the town drug addict. Both later recanted.
The state of Illinois spent $3.5 million trying to execute him, "only to end up giving me a life sentence," Steidl said. "And then 5 1/2 years after that, I was exonerated."
He spent 12 years in a tiny cell on death row. Then he was thrown into "gen pop," with its snarling mass of an open cellblock, where the prospect of being stabbed, raped or worse loomed constantly, alongside deafening noise and psychotic cell mates.
"If you really want to kill someone, give them life without parole," Steidl said in an even voice. He speaks of his troubled past as if it was trapped under glass or locked behind bars — visible but no longer able to torture him.
"It's worse than dying."

So are you "for or against" torture? I'm confused.

And, I would always ask the guy on death row which method he approved of. I think they would be the best source.

Brer Rabbit's eyes got very large. "Oh please Brer Fox, whatever you do, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

[Flumper Barflusterbutt]

Thanks jeeves.

You can't kill them right away thats the problem.It takes years of resources that end up exceeding the cost of housing them for life to kill them.Not all prisoners make it past 50.

Why are these state repealing it then?What are they missing that you could google for them to set them straight?

My guess is that they are appealing them based on stupid facts like you have provided and do-good-pussies that can't stand the thought of a death penalty, and based on the fact that their prosecuting attorney's have done such a shitty job of prosecuting these cases that it has made them look stupid.

But its not because its cheaper to keep them in jail than to kill them.