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Bullying - leucifer - 04-06-2010
If a kid commits suicide because of pathological bullying, do you think it is fair to hold the bullies responsible and put them in jail?
Bullying - BIRD33 - 04-06-2010
Jail seems like a stretch.Community service and some counseling seems about right.I think we've all experienced some bullying in our life and thats just what it is, a part of life that you must learn to deal with to survive.
Now any parents that take part in bullying like that mother who pretended to be a a classmate on myspace or whatever of some girl at her daughters school in order to dig up info to tease the girl with should be locked up.Those people are the scum of the earth.
Bullying - leucifer - 04-06-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Jail seems like a stretch.Community service and some counseling seems about right.I think we've all experienced some bullying in our life and thats just what it is, a part of life that you must learn to deal with to survive.
Now any parents that take part in bullying like that mother who pretended to be a a classmate on myspace or whatever of some girl at her daughters school in order to dig up info to tease the girl with should be locked up.Those people are the scum of the earth.
Yeah, that one mom you're talking about needs prison. She's fucked up and borderline sociopathic.
These kids in Mass. are being charged with "civil rights violations and harassment". I'm assuming that will end up being what you said - community service, probation and counselling. I'm OK with that, I don't think jail is required, but I do think they need to understand the seriousness of what they did.
Bullying - Blondie - 04-06-2010
Anyone that gets off on bullying someone should be beaten to a pulp and their parents should be forced into parenting classes.
Bullying - BIRD33 - 04-06-2010
Civil rights violations is a stretch.Harassment seems about right.Kids can be assholes.This is like the death penalty being a deterrent to would be murderers.No law will stop kids being jerks.
Bullying - bam - 04-06-2010
Bullying is going to continue to happen no matter what rules, regulations or laws are put in place. I mean, hell, look at Columbine. Those kids were made fun of. They retaliated by killing others… and yet bullying continues. It sucks. It shouldn’t happen, but it does. It happens in the workplace too.
Bullying - BIRD33 - 04-06-2010
Bullying wasnt really the cause of Columbine.The one kid was a sociopath and the other his gullible follower.
I've seen some nasty workplace bullying.Women crying and shit.Some people take their frustrations from home out on the people they work with.
Bullying - bam - 04-06-2010
They were bullied. Granted, I agree- there were definitely some other issues going on mentally.
Yeah, I see it happen all the time in the workplace. And people wonder why their kids end up bullying other kids.
I've already told both of my kids that if I ever find out that they're being a bully, there will be hell to pay.
Bullying - phantom - 04-07-2010
I was watching and old Adam 12 on tv the other day. The policemen were at a school talking to the kids, showing them the police car, etc. One of the kids was kind of a loner and didn't act like he cared about the cops. The funny thing is that he was whittling the whole time with a pocket knife while the cops were there.
I thought how times have changed. When I went to school we could have pocket knives. if you got into a fight the worst that could happen was a black eye. These days kids are nuts. It's a wonder that there are any bullies left that haven't been shot.
Bullying - JCW - 04-07-2010
Just because the punishment might not be a deterrent doesn't mean that punishment shouldn't exist. I'm not familiar with the case this is referencing but if the kids made someone's life hell, I wouldn't be opposed to jail time. Is community service really going to make them change their ways?? I somehow think the point will be lost on them.
Bullying - bam - 04-07-2010
I think it depends on the circumstances. In this particular case, a couple of them are being charged with statutory rape and assault etc so yeah, those are definitely criminal charges and jail time comes with that if found guilty. As far as the bullying "you're fat" and other stuff like that, I don't condone it whatsoever. I think it needs to be handled by the school administration and the parents. Part of the problem is that too many parents don't teach their kids manners and respect.
Bullying - BIRD33 - 04-07-2010
Do we really think the teasing was the sole cause of this girl killing herself?If I called some girl fat and she's got a bunch of predisposed metal problems and she then kills herself I'm on the hook for murder?Thats fucking retarded.
Bullying - Blondie - 04-08-2010
leucifer Wrote:If a kid commits suicide because of pathological bullying, do you think it is fair to hold the bullies responsible and put them in jail?
Throw away the key!
Bullying - JCW - 04-08-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Do we really think the teasing was the sole cause of this girl killing herself?If I called some girl fat and she's got a bunch of predisposed metal problems and she then kills herself I'm on the hook for murder?Thats fucking retarded.
You know there's a difference between simply saying someone is fat and ridiculing them to the point that they feel their life is unlivable. I wouldn't consider it murder but I think it'd definitely be criminal harassment, maybe even involuntary manslaughter because you set the wheels in motion. The latter moreso if you know the person is mentally ill/unstable and continue with your torment.
Bullying - BIRD33 - 04-08-2010
Lets hope most 5th through 12th graders are capable of diagnosing signs of mental instability and suicidal tendencies now a days.
First time offenders for harassment don't usually get jail time.
Set the wheels in motion?Who is to judge that?If the kids unstable anyways couldnt anything "set the wheels in motion"?
Bullying - JCW - 04-08-2010
You're gonna tell me you didn't know who the nutso kids were when you were in school? C'mon. Every class has a few where you KNOW they ain't right. And the bullies definitely tend to go after these folks a little harder. I saw it happen over and over with a few certain kids in particular through my high school days.
Edited to address the last question: the jury and/or judge would be the one to judge whether the bullying set the wheels in motion for the suicide.
Bullying - BIRD33 - 04-08-2010
JCW Wrote:You're gonna tell me you didn't know who the nutso kids were when you were in school? C'mon. Every class has a few where you KNOW they ain't right. And the bullies definitely tend to go after these folks a little harder. I saw it happen over and over with a few certain kids in particular through my high school days.
Edited to address the last question: the jury and/or judge would be the one to judge whether the bullying set the wheels in motion for the suicide.
Familiarize yourself with the term juvenile and how it relates to the rule of law.They can't sign a legal contract but in your mind they are apparently supposed to take stock of a classmates mental state and be responsible if something they say sets them off.
Might want to consider the mental state of the bullies as well.What is wrong with them that makes them act in a insensitive way that hurts others?Which is more apt to change a child's behavior for the better, prison or counseling?
I did have kids who were prone to be picked on at my school.We all did.I bet not a lot of us know anyone who killed themselves solely because of it.Thats weird.
Bullying - JCW - 04-08-2010
If a child has a history of bullying, they absolutely should be punished for it. Period. It's anti-social behaviour and it needs to be dealt with, whether someone kills themselves because of it or not. I feel the punishment should be increased if a death is a result of their actions but even the "beat you up and take your lunch money" bully should be forced to be accountable for his or her behaviour. Making someone else's life miserable is NOT okay, no matter how old you are.
I do agree that counseling would be beneficial in this situation but sometimes being forced to be accountable is about more than just rehabilitation, sometimes punishment is warranted too. Intentionally going after someone who YOU KNOW has a mental illness and making their life intolerable deserves punishment. Just because you also have a mental illness (the bullying gene?) doesn't mean that you don't have to man up to the consequences of your behaviour.
All that being said, I very highly doubt any kid will see jailtime over being a bully. I think that's a can of worms that the justice system just isn't ready to open up yet. There also needs to be a LOT more support for the mental health of our younger generations. Right now the onus is on the parents to correct their child's behaviour, put them into counseling if they exhibit signs of anti-social behaviour and teach them about empathy. Unfortunately a lot of parents aren't doing their job in this department any more and the kids are the ones who are suffering...
Bullying - BIRD33 - 04-08-2010
Jesus Christ.Get over your own personal issues and look at this objectively.No kid knows how their actions might spur someone else to do something harmful.You know why?Cause they're fucking kids.You are transposing adult thought processes onto children.It doesnt work that way.Nobodies saying bullies shouldnt get in trouble for being jerks but you act like we know all the time the reasons people kill themselves.Thats simply not true either.Could the kid have been secretly molested or had another traumatic episode we arent aware of?Sure the teasing didnt help but wheres the guardians in all of this?Is it the dead kids classmates that are responsible for the kids well being or their parents?Unless the bully tied the noose or loaded the gun for the suicidal kid their is no way they should get jail time.
Bullying - Anhil8tor - 04-08-2010
Wouldn't it be society simply removing the weaker genes from the gene pool?