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One year anniversary.... - Anhil8tor - 01-20-2010
Gimmie a quick breakdown of the pros and cons bird. Please be objective and list cons.
TIA
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-20-2010
Pro's
We arent looked at like ignorant cowboys by the world
We don't torture anymore(disgrace I have to write that)
He handled the worst economic meltdown of our lifetime pretty decently.The stimulus bill worked.
People with AIDS can now fly into the US
Healthcare reform is going to happen
We refocused on the country that attacked us on 9\11 after 8 years of pretending iraq did
The right has showed their true colors and splintered into a bunch of nonsensical tea party groups(hi lollly!) that will never get anyone in the GOP elected nationally which is great
We are leaving iraq to themselves despite no oil revenue of theirs paying for our expenses like we were promised
Wall street and energy companies do not set policy like they did before to their advantage and regular americans disadvantage
Sending Bill Clinton to North Korea was genius.
We responded to haiti's disaster faster then we responded to Katrina
Cons
Could have turned down the Nobel but would have been rude probably.Its an example of how hated we were prior to him
That environmental treaty was a joke, not his fault it failed.China was never going for it but we should have seen that
Gitmo's still open but he got handed a shit sandwich
Gays can't serve in the military still
One year anniversary.... - littlelolly - 01-20-2010
Despite being labeled a whackadoodle tea partier, I actually agree with much of this list.
One year anniversary.... - bam - 01-20-2010
I personally am all for waterboarding and any forms of torture. Hell, I wish we'd behead terrorists on TV for the world to see. That's what gets done to our soldiers (and journalists).
I still haven't figured out how tea partiers have been vilified. They're just expressing their opinions and dissatisfaction with where our country is headed. I'm not sure what's so wrong with that considering it's a first amendment right.
As far as bailing out wall street- fuck that. I work in the auto industry. I always drove a GM vehicle before. I now drive a Toyota. Why? Government Motors got enough of my money. Cash for clunkers? DISASTER. A bunch of perfectly well-running vehicles having to be killed for what? So I can buy someone else a new car? What happens when all these people who took advantage of that realize they have to pay taxes on it? I bet they won’t be too happy. And why get rid of used cars? Some people can’t afford new cars, right? Wouldn’t it be smart to have used cars on the market for those single mothers and fathers out there than can’t afford a sparkly new vehicle? Yeah. Apparently nobody thought about that.
Unemployment is still through the roof as are foreclosures.
God help us if healthcare *reform* happens. After all, the government has done such a fantastic job as medicaid, medicare, social security etc.
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-20-2010
bam Wrote:I personally am all for waterboarding and any forms of torture. Hell, I wish we'd behead terrorists on TV for the world to see. That's what gets done to our soldiers (and journalists).
I still haven't figured out how tea partiers have been vilified. They're just expressing their opinions and dissatisfaction with where our country is headed. I'm not sure what's so wrong with that considering it's a first amendment right.
As far as bailing out wall street- fuck that. I work in the auto industry. I always drove a GM vehicle before. I now drive a Toyota. Why? Government Motors got enough of my money. Cash for clunkers? DISASTER. A bunch of perfectly well-running vehicles having to be killed for what? So I can buy someone else a new car? What happens when all these people who took advantage of that realize they have to pay taxes on it? I bet they won’t be too happy. And why get rid of used cars? Some people can’t afford new cars, right? Wouldn’t it be smart to have used cars on the market for those single mothers and fathers out there than can’t afford a sparkly new vehicle? Yeah. Apparently nobody thought about that.
Unemployment is still through the roof as are foreclosures.
God help us if healthcare *reform* happens. After all, the government has done such a fantastic job as medicaid, medicare, social security etc.
Are you for our soldiers getting beheaded on TV during normal wars with other countries because thats where you are headed by opening that door.Your whole point of view is short sighted and ignorant.We used to be better then that.
Where were the tea partiers during the last 8 years when we spent billions of tax dollars and killed thousands of americans in a war that is now seen as a total waste?Its because a black guy they think was born in kenya is president.They are racist plain and simple.
Are you under the impression that used cars where destroyed during the cash for clunkers program?
Would you still be working in the auto industry if they werent bailed out?
Who caused the worst economic meltdown in a generation?Was it the administration that was in office for less then a month?
Foreclosures are through the roof because of the housing bubble caused by previous administrations.
What is your problem with Medicaid?Do you have relatives on it?Will you not take it when you are older?
One year anniversary.... - Anhil8tor - 01-21-2010
Do you honestly think islamic terrorist give a fuck if we torture or not?
One year anniversary.... - bam - 01-21-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Are you for our soldiers getting beheaded on TV during normal wars with other countries because thats where you are headed by opening that door.Your whole point of view is short sighted and ignorant.We used to be better then that.
Where were the tea partiers during the last 8 years when we spent billions of tax dollars and killed thousands of americans in a war that is now seen as a total waste?Its because a black guy they think was born in kenya is president.They are racist plain and simple.
Are you under the impression that used cars where destroyed during the cash for clunkers program?
Would you still be working in the auto industry if they werent bailed out?
Who caused the worst economic meltdown in a generation?Was it the administration that was in office for less then a month?
Foreclosures are through the roof because of the housing bubble caused by previous administrations.
What is your problem with Medicaid?Do you have relatives on it?Will you not take it when you are older?
Our soldiers already get beheaded on TV. Next point...
Calling all tea partiers racists? Seriously? Left wing media much?
Used cars were destroyed. Hello? I work in the auto industry.
Would I still be working in the industry if GM hadn't been bailed out? Yep. As I stated previously, GM would have no effect on me.
The worst economic meltdown? Not just one administration. Multiple administrations over the course of decades caused it. Republicans and Democrats.
Medicaid is damn near bankrupt! I do have relatives on it. No, I won't be on Medicaid because of a number of reasons, the foremost being that it will not be around when I'm old enough to need it. Our health care (I'm choking) *reform* will make sure I'm dead before I can ever get on Medicaid.
One year anniversary.... - Beau - 01-21-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Pro's
We arent looked at like ignorant cowboys by the world
exactly. now we are looked at like pathetic cowards after all of the apologizing that was done. Hail Al Quaeda!
We don't torture anymore(disgrace I have to write that)
Instead we pay our tax dollars to defend terrorists that commit acts of war against us in the civlian criminal justice system. Why didn't I think of that? I know let's sit down and question those we have captured over coffee and doughnuts. I'm sure they'll tell us everything we need to know then.
He handled the worst economic meltdown of our lifetime pretty decently.The stimulus bill worked.
Yeah isn't that the one that was loaded with earmarks and at the same time was supposed to get us under the 8% unemployment mark by the end of the year?
People with AIDS can now fly into the US
So what's your point?
Healthcare reform is going to happen
You may take a look at today's 01/20 headlines. It may not be as easy as you think. It would be nice to see some kind of health care reform that made since though. I'll give ya that
We refocused on the country that attacked us on 9\11 after 8 years of pretending iraq did
Couldn't agree more.
The right has showed their true colors and splintered into a bunch of nonsensical tea party groups(hi lollly!) that will never get anyone in the GOP elected nationally which is great
Wait until November. You'll really love us then
We are leaving iraq to themselves despite no oil revenue of theirs paying for our expenses like we were promised
So what?
Wall street and energy companies do not set policy like they did before to their advantage and regular americans disadvantage
Yeah instead they took more of our money and loaned less to those who really need it. Granted some have paid it back though. We should have let them go bankrupt like any other business. no thanks to GDub on that one.
Sending Bill Clinton to North Korea was genius.
Agreed
We responded to haiti's disaster faster then we responded to Katrina
We respond to every disaster PERIOD. Funny how Jokebama called in Gdub to help out on that one huh?
Cons
Could have turned down the Nobel but would have been rude probably.Its an example of how hated we were prior to him
He did nothing to deserve it but be black. What a joke
That environmental treaty was a joke, not his fault it failed.China was never going for it but we should have seen that
That's because China was smart. They had no intention of imploding their jobs/economy market around the global warning myth like this moron
Gitmo's still open but he got handed a shit sandwich
GOOD.
Gays can't serve in the military still
See previous answer
Nice seeing ya again Bird. I missed ya.
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-21-2010
Anhil8tor Wrote:Do you honestly think islamic terrorist give a fuck if we torture or not?
Terrorists no.Islamic people and all other human beings who thought we were an example on how to act, yes.During WWII we had a real chance of evil countries taking over the whole world but we didnt torture.Why is that?Were we naive?Don't watch 24 with the ticking time bomb scenario's, they don't exist.Is it a coincidence that show airs on Fox?
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-21-2010
Beau Wrote:Nice seeing ya again Bird. I missed ya.
You're as dumb as ever.Good to see you back.
One year anniversary.... - Beau - 01-21-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:You're as dumb as ever.Good to see you back.
That coming from you make me feel like a genius. Thanks for the welcome.
One year anniversary.... - Anhil8tor - 01-21-2010
I hate 24
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-21-2010
Who was more evil?Hitler or Bin Laden?Why can we not defeat a group not even a tenth of the size of the Nazi's without torturing?
Also any of you torture apologist call yourself christians?Hypocrites.Jesus aint gonna be happy with you.
One year anniversary.... - bam - 01-21-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:Who was more evil?Hitler or Bin Laden?Why can we not defeat a group not even a tenth of the size of the Nazi's without torturing?
Also any of you torture apologist call yourself christians?Hypocrites.Jesus aint gonna be happy with you.
Nazis were in uniform. Taliban and Al Quaeda are not. It's not as easy to figure out who is a civilian and who is not.
I don't call myself a Christian. I'm Agnostic.
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-21-2010
bam Wrote:Nazis were in uniform. Taliban and Al Quaeda are not. It's not as easy to figure out who is a civilian and who is not.
I don't call myself a Christian. I'm Agnostic.
So we never captured a nazi spy not in uniform?Read about WWII.Anyway, great post Bam!
One year anniversary.... - bam - 01-21-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:So we never captured a nazi spy not in uniform?Read about WWII.Anyway, great post Bam!
I'm pretty sure I never stated that we "never captured a nazi spy not in uniform." Yep, I'm sure I didn't. I don't put words into other people's mouths. What was originally a good conversation going back and forth, now no longer is. What's that saying? Don't wrestle with a pig because you both get dirty and the pig likes it.
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-21-2010
bam Wrote:I'm pretty sure I never stated that we "never captured a nazi spy not in uniform." Yep, I'm sure I didn't. I don't put words into other people's mouths. What was originally a good conversation going back and forth, now no longer is. What's that saying? Don't wrestle with a pig because you both get dirty and the pig likes it.
It was a question, not putting words in your mouth.If you think all soldiers before al quedia came along wore uniforms you are wrong.We caught german spies on our soil and interrogated them successfully without torturing them.The germans killed 10 million people give or take a couple hundred thousand compared to the less then 5000 bin ladens guys have killed.We still managed to beat the germans without torturing.You might also want to know that torture doesnt work, if I pulled your fingernails off you'd confess to being the pope.If it doesnt work why do it?
One year anniversary.... - bam - 01-21-2010
BIRD33 Wrote:It was a question, not putting words in your mouth.If you think all soldiers before al quedia came along wore uniforms you are wrong.We caught german spies on our soil and interrogated them successfully without torturing them.The germans killed 10 million people give or take a couple hundred thousand compared to the less then 5000 bin ladens guys have killed.We still managed to beat the germans without torturing.You might also want to know that torture doesnt work, if I pulled your fingernails off you'd confess to being the pope.If it doesnt work why do it?
Again, I'm not getting into this with you because the facts are out there. Do me a favor and look up (at your leisure of course) when the Japanese literally dissected some POWs organ by organ while they were still alive. Maybe if we started doing shit like that we wouldn't have "underwear bombers" on our planes. As far as what I would say during torture? I'm not sure. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't say I was the pope though. You can only be trained for so much though so I can't really say how I'd react.
One year anniversary.... - Vitamin E - 01-21-2010
Finally a first lady I wouldn't mind boning.
One year anniversary.... - BIRD33 - 01-21-2010
bam Wrote:Again, I'm not getting into this with you because the facts are out there. Do me a favor and look up (at your leisure of course) when the Japanese literally dissected some POWs organ by organ while they were still alive. Maybe if we started doing shit like that we wouldn't have "underwear bombers" on our planes. As far as what I would say during torture? I'm not sure. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't say I was the pope though. You can only be trained for so much though so I can't really say how I'd react.
Because the japs did something horrible that justifies us doing something horrible?We didnt do that stuff and we still beat the japs.Whats that tell you?You ever hear the phrase "The moral high ground"?Look that up at your leisure.We don't have it anymore and believe it or not its important when we want to tell other countries like china to respect their citizens human rights.
I'm no expert but I'm going on what former army interrogators whose training includes being tortured to know what to expect.They say torture doesnt work, you'll say anything to stop the pain.