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We're losing hope - Trapped Miners' Families - 01-03-2006

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We're losing hope - Vitamin E - 01-03-2006

Rack!

We're losing hope - Anhil8tor - 01-03-2006

hang in there!

We're losing hope - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-03-2006

I dont even read the paper or really no who these miners are but even for me this joke was pretty disgusting.I hope you or somebody you love dies in a car accident.

We're losing hope - Bill - 01-03-2006

Well, do I joke about this or not? Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We're losing hope - Anhil8tor - 01-03-2006

Can somebody do justice to the new orleans looter as a troll?

We're losing hope - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-03-2006

Anhil8tor Wrote:Can somebody do justice to the new orleans looter as a troll?

pm the login.

We're losing hope - Bill - 01-03-2006

we talked about this here in the office and we all found it arcain that in this day in age people still mine.....you'd think it would be done buy machines controlled from some room on the surface.

We're losing hope - Bill - 01-03-2006

Anhil8tor Wrote:Can somebody do justice to the new orleans looter as a troll?

You should do the vbookie forum some justice and post a psu/fsu bet.....just sayin.

We're losing hope - Blueeyedwoman - 01-03-2006

The trool needs to die in a cave in.

We're losing hope - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-03-2006

Bill Wrote:we talked about this here in the office and we all found it arcain that in this day in age people still mine.....you'd think it would be done buy machines controlled from some room on the surface.

Ask those people in your office if they know how a piece of reinforced concrete drainage pipe is jacked underground when they have to bore a piece under and existing overpass.

I was on a state highway project about 15 years ago, and we had a 24" diameter concrete pipe to bore under an existing interstate. The pipe was about 50 feet underground and was about 200 feet long. Each joint was 7.5 feet long. I was a little suprised at how it was done.

They had two guys per shift that dug the tunnel. With shovels. They would (one at a time) dig 7.5 feet in and then crawl out. A piece of pipe was loaded into a jack machine and it would push inside the tunnel (like loading a bullet into a chamber). Then they would get on their stomach and crawl back in to dig another 7.5 feet. Then back out, load another joint of pipe and push the entire string of pipe one more joint in. As they got further in, they had a little railroad track that was laid inside the pipe to put the dirt in little pans to pull out as they dug. This took about 3 months to get to the other side.

We're losing hope - Bill - 01-03-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Ask those people in your office if they know how a piece of reinforced concrete drainage pipe is jacked underground when they have to bore a piece under and existing overpass.

I was on a state highway project about 15 years ago, and we had a 24" diameter concrete pipe to bore under an existing interstate. The pipe was about 50 feet underground and was about 200 feet long. Each joint was 7.5 feet long. I was a little suprised at how it was done.

They had two guys per shift that dug the tunnel. With shovels. They would (one at a time) dig 7.5 feet in and then crawl out. A piece of pipe was loaded into a jack machine and it would push inside the tunnel (like loading a bullet into a chamber). Then they would get on their stomach and crawl back in to dig another 7.5 feet. Then back out, load another joint of pipe and push the entire string of pipe one more joint in. As they got further in, they had a little railroad track that was laid inside the pipe to put the dirt in little pans to pull out as they dug. This took about 3 months to get to the other side.

holy balls dood, you'd think they would have some sort of horizontal drill, like a well digging rig or something. I understand now why you employ mexicans though.

We're losing hope - BIRD33 - 01-03-2006

How much do you think the 7.5 feet concrete pipe weighed?Imagine how hard it would be to ship 50 feet of concrete pipe.

We're losing hope - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-03-2006

Bill Wrote:holy balls dood, you'd think they would have some sort of horizontal drill, like a well digging rig or something. I understand now why you employ mexicans though.

Well, my guess is that the drilling equipment is too specialized and expensive. The labor costs are low enough to offset the capital expense of a drill.

2 guys x $8/hr x 40 hr/wk x 4.33 wk/mo x 3 mo x 1.30 (payroll tax) = $10,807.68

You couldn't buy a drill for that unless you could reuse it for about 20 or 30 more 24" holes in the same drilling conditions.

We're losing hope - Bill - 01-03-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Well, my guess is that the drilling equipment is too specialized and expensive. The labor costs are low enough to offset the capital expense of a drill.

2 guys x $8/hr x 40 hr/wk x 4.33 wk/mo x 3 mo x 1.30 (payroll tax) = $10,807.68

You couldn't buy a drill for that unless you could reuse it for about 20 or 30 more 24" holes in the same drilling conditions.

that makes perfect sence. just seems like that would be a shitty way to make a living....imagine getting up everymorning and realizing you have to crawl into a concrete pipe, dig 7.5 feet only to have it closed up on you, then have to dig 7.5 feet again.....over and over and over.

We're losing hope - SanDog - 01-03-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Well, my guess is that the drilling equipment is too specialized and expensive. The labor costs are low enough to offset the capital expense of a drill.

2 guys x $8/hr x 40 hr/wk x 4.33 wk/mo x 3 mo x 1.30 (payroll tax) = $10,807.68

You couldn't buy a drill for that unless you could reuse it for about 20 or 30 more 24" holes in the same drilling conditions.

So how much would a drill like that cost, and how long would you need it for? I could see me buying one and renting it to you for $10,000 for a week, plus an operator. Think what it would save you in time to get the job done.
I could do this for 40 weeks a year, and it adds up pretty quickly.

We're losing hope - leeman - 01-03-2006

Who's working for $8 an hour ...??? Huh

cratch:

We're losing hope - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-03-2006

SanDog Wrote:So how much would a drill like that cost, and how long would you need it for? I could see me buying one and renting it to you for $10,000 for a week, plus an operator. Think what it would save you in time to get the job done.
I could do this for 40 weeks a year, and it adds up pretty quickly.

Well, keep in mind this was 15 or 20 years ago. Drilling and directional drilling equipment has come a long way. I'm not sure what a 24" directional drill would cost. But, keep in mind, that you still have to get the pipe into the hole also, so the drill has to be equipped to jack the pipe in and drill at the same time. Or sleeve the hole and jack the pipe later.

As for the cost, I would imagine that it would cost $300,000 or more and I would imagine that a bit would cost about $25,000 or more and they wouldn't probably last more than a few days or a couple of weeks at a time.

We're losing hope - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-03-2006

leeman Wrote:Who's working for $8 an hour ...??? cratch:

15 years ago and lots of people. I have laborers now that work for $7.75 per hour.

We're losing hope - Trapped Miners' Families - 01-03-2006

I think you've all lost focus here. This is a serious matter and we demand support and respect. Poor, fat, white trash people have feelings too, dammit.

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