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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - ClayRock - 05-11-2005

serious replies only

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Bill - 05-11-2005

ClayRock Wrote:serious replies only

Catbutt in my house.

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Dr. Lecter - 05-11-2005

It's "Fuck You" to the best of my knowledge.

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - ClayRock - 05-11-2005

Dr. Lecter Wrote:It's "Fuck You" to the best of my knowledge.

serious replies only fuck brains.

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Gadonkadonk Money Dawg - 05-11-2005

ClayRock Wrote:serious replies only

I believe it depends on the brand Clay. I have purchased bottles that said Ketchup and bottles that said Catsup.

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Fairiedust - 05-11-2005

depends on what country or resturant your dinning in...when in Asia do as they do...(no thanks)

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - WoolyGoat - 05-11-2005

Ketchup here.

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - snarg - 05-11-2005

both are acceptable and correct

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Beaucephus - 05-11-2005

it's ketchup damnit. :|

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Charon - 05-11-2005

Ketchup

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Odysseus - 05-11-2005

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Odysseus - 05-11-2005

[Q] From Suzanne: “Why is ketchup also called catsup?”

[A] Ketchup was one of the earliest names given to this condiment, so spelled in Charles Lockyer’s book of 1711, An Account of the Trade in India: “Soy comes in Tubbs from Jappan, and the best Ketchup from Tonquin; yet good of both sorts are made and sold very cheap in China”. Nobody seems quite sure where it comes from, and I won’t bore you with a long disquisition concerning the scholarly debate on the matter, which is reflected in the varied origins given in major dictionaries. It’s likely to be from a Chinese dialect, imported into English through Malay. The original was a kind of fish sauce, though the modern Malay and Indonesian version, with the closely related name kecap, is a sweet soy sauce.

Like their Eastern forerunners, Western ketchups were dipping sauces. I’m told the first ketchup recipe appeared in Elizabeth Smith’s book The Compleat Housewife of 1727 and that it included anchovies, shallots, vinegar, white wine, sweet spices (cloves, ginger, mace, nutmeg), pepper and lemon peel. Not a tomato in sight, you will note—tomato ketchup was not introduced until about a century later, in the US, and caught on only slowly. It was more usual to base the condiment on mushrooms, or sometimes walnuts.

The confusion about names started even before Charles Lockyer wrote about it, since there is an entry dated 1690 in the Dictionary of the Canting Crew which gives it as catchup, which is another Anglicisation of the original Eastern term. Catchup was used much more in North America than in Britain: it was still common in the middle years of the nineteenth century, as in a story in Scribner’s Magazine in 1859: “I do not object to take a few slices of cold boiled ham ... with a little mushroom catchup, some Worcester sauce, and a pickle or so”. Indeed, catchup continued to appear in American works for some decades and is still to be found on occasion.

There were lots of other spellings, too, of which catsup is the best known, a modification of catchup. You can blame Jonathan Swift for it if you like, since he used it first in 1730: “And, for our home-bred British cheer, Botargo, catsup, and caveer”. [Caveer is caviar; botargo is a fish-based relish made of the roe of the mullet or tunny.] That form was also once common in the US but is much less so these days, at least on bottle labels: all the big US manufacturers now call their product ketchup.

Simple question: complicated answer!

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Blueeyedwoman - 05-11-2005

Heinz: tomato ketchup

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - SCTLND - 05-11-2005

catsup-n.Ketchup

Ketchup-n. a sauce for meat, fish, etc.; esp., tomatoes, onions, spices, etc.

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Is it Ketchup or Catsup? - Dr. Lecter - 05-11-2005

It's true. It does depend on where you are in teh U.S. or the world.

Where I am it is pronounced "this-thred-suks"

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