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12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - leucetios - 02-19-2005

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[size=2]KING COUNTY - A 28-year-old Enumclaw man was in court Thursday, accused of raping his 12-year-old neighbor. Police are worried there might be other victims.

Greg Thorp kept his head covered in court until the judge assured him his face would not be photographed.

Thorp said nothing, and neither did Enumclaw police. Instead, they let the court records speak for themselves.

According to those court documents, police say Thorp confessed to having sex with the girl, beginning when she was just 11-years-old, and that it happened as many as 15 times since last September.

The two were neighbors in an Enumclaw apartment complex.

The girl also told detectives about the sex, saying that Thorp is her boyfriend, and that she loves him.

"I don't think it's fair that they're placing all the blame on him especially they don't understand his mental condition," said Jessica White.

Jessica and Sue White say they've known both Thorp and the girl for years. They say Thorp suffers from Asberger's syndrome, a form of autism and is on medication.

While the Whites don't condone Thorp's actions, they say he's not as bad as police are portraying him.

"That was wrong, what he did was totally wrong," said Sue White. "I don't think that making the other individual out as the total victim and not knowing what was going on is totally wrong."

But sexual assault experts say the age difference alone makes it very clear the 12-year-old girl is definitely a victim.

"He has knowledge beyond her years of relationships," explained Shelley Weaver with the Harborview Medical Center Sexual Assault Center. "This in no way could be consensual on her part even if she conceived it that way."

Detectives have not found any other victims so far, but they say the investigation is still open, Thorp is being held at the King County Regional Justice Center in lieu of $250,000 bail. Formal charges are expected to be filed by Friday

Summary: 28 yr old man (with a form of Autism) has been having sex with a 12 yr old for over 5 months. They both, he and the girl, say it was consensual.

Questions:

1. Do you think it can be consenual with her being only 12?

2. What do you think of the neighbors stance that while it was wrong of him all of the blame does not lie on him?
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12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - asshat - 02-19-2005

It was wrong, it was not concensual in my book, and the 28 year old should be stoned until death by the townspeople.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - leucetios - 02-19-2005

Question: If in 9 or 10 years she still says she is in love with him, and they end up together and married. Does it change anything?

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - Anhil8tor - 02-19-2005

Is micheal Jackson messed up today because of the abuse his dad gave him as a child?

Would it be wrong to purchase sex from a 12 year old prostitue in Thailand?

If I shit myself, would any of my fellow employees say anything?

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - leucetios - 02-19-2005

anhil8tor Wrote:Is micheal Jackson messed up today because of the abuse his dad gave him as a child?

Would it be wrong to purchase sex from a 12 year old prostitue in Thailand?

If I shit myself, would any of my fellow employees say anything?

None of those are really relevant to this topic though. Well, except the third question, cause your post did kinda stink

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - asshat - 02-19-2005

leucetios Wrote:Question: If in 9 or 10 years she still says she is in love with him, and they end up together and married. Does it change anything?

In 9 or 10 years, assuming that she is not suffering from some type of trauma that he imposed on her when she was 12, then she can do whatever she wants.

Unfortunately she couldn't do it with him, because he would have been killed for what he did 9 or 10 years prior.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - asshat - 02-19-2005

anhil8tor Wrote:Is micheal Jackson messed up today because of the abuse his dad gave him as a child?

I don't know what happened during his child hood. He is messed up because of something.

Quote:Would it be wrong to purchase sex from a 12 year old prostitue in Thailand?

Yes, and anywhere else.

Quote:If I shit myself, would any of my fellow employees say anything?

Probably.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - TomFoolery - 02-19-2005

leucetios Wrote:Question: If in 9 or 10 years she still says she is in love with him, and they end up together and married. Does it change anything?

Are you asking the question assuming that there isn't a current court case and the first time either one of them mentions their sexual relationship (while she was 12 years old) is 9 or 10 years from now? Are you trying to find out if it 'changes anything' from a legal standpoint? If that is what you're asking then I think the statute of limitations would run its course and there wouldn't be anything the court could do.

If you're asking the question from a relationship standpoint if it 'changes anything' assuming they are in a relationship after the current court case then I think it depends on how you look at it. To assume right now that they will be married in 9 or 10 years still doesn't make the fact that they are currently having a sexual relationship right; it's not legal. If you fast-forward to 10 years from now and they are married and explaining how they have been together for so long then I don't think I'd have as much of a problem digesting the fact that she was having sex at 12 years old.

I guess I don't know how to answer your question. :mellow:

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - leucetios - 02-19-2005

TomFoolery Wrote:Are you asking the question assuming that there isn't a current court case and the first time either one of them mentions their sexual relationship (while she was 12 years old) is 9 or 10 years from now? Are you trying to find out if it 'changes anything' from a legal standpoint? If that is what you're asking then I think the statute of limitations would run its course and there wouldn't be anything the court could do.

If you're asking the question from a relationship standpoint if it 'changes anything' assuming they are in a relationship after the current court case then I think it depends on how you look at it. To assume right now that they will be married in 9 or 10 years still doesn't make the fact that they are currently having a sexual relationship right; it's not legal. If you fast-forward to 10 years from now and they are married and explaining how they have been together for so long then I don't think I'd have as much of a problem digesting the fact that she was having sex at 12 years old.

I guess I don't know how to answer your question. :mellow:

I was asking from a moral and ethical standpoint.

There was a teacher up here, Mary-Kay Letourneau or something. Had sex with a student, he was young 14 I think. She went to prison. She got out last year, he is 20 or something now I think and they're getting married. She also had his kid.

My question was that given that, does it change the way you personally pierceive the below the age of consent (downright pedophilic) relationship they had in the past?

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - BIRD33 - 02-19-2005

TomFoolery Wrote:Are you asking the question assuming that there isn't a current court case and the first time either one of them mentions their sexual relationship (while she was 12 years old) is 9 or 10 years from now? Are you trying to find out if it 'changes anything' from a legal standpoint? If that is what you're asking then I think the statute of limitations would run its course and there wouldn't be anything the court could do.

If you're asking the question from a relationship standpoint if it 'changes anything' assuming they are in a relationship after the current court case then I think it depends on how you look at it. To assume right now that they will be married in 9 or 10 years still doesn't make the fact that they are currently having a sexual relationship right; it's not legal. If you fast-forward to 10 years from now and they are married and explaining how they have been together for so long then I don't think I'd have as much of a problem digesting the fact that she was having sex at 12 years old.

I guess I don't know how to answer your question. :mellow:

Who cares if they might be together in ten years.The guy was fucking a child.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - leucetios - 02-19-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Who cares if they might be together in ten years.The guy was fucking a child.

Laws aside, Tom raises a point. Say you're attending a couples 25th anniversary. You find out there that they met when she was 12 and he was 20 and they were sexually active. Got married when she was 20 and had been married and faithful and happy.

Does it change the way you view the guy?

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - TomFoolery - 02-19-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Who cares if they might be together in ten years.The guy was fucking a child.

I know, but I think I might have an easier time stomaching that fact if they were married (say 10 years from now) and brought it up. I don't know. It doesn't mean I don't think it's disgusting though.

Question: 2 high school kids are dating. The girl is 14 and the boy is 15. They date for 3 years and dude turns 18 but is still having sex with her while she's 17. Is that disgusting?

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - snarg - 02-19-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Who cares if they might be together in ten years.The guy was fucking a child.

is there anything thing else to say??
dint think so

Confused

narg:

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - leucetios - 02-19-2005

TomFoolery Wrote:I know, but I think I might have an easier time stomaching that fact if they were married (say 10 years from now) and brought it up. I don't know. It doesn't mean I don't think it's disgusting though.

Question: 2 high school kids are dating. The girl is 14 and the boy is 15. They date for 3 years and dude turns 18 but is still having sex with her while she's 17. Is that disgusting?

small age gaps like that are typically more accepted. An 18 yr old guy dating a 17 yr old girl and having sex is typically (morally) accepted. There's no magic that happens when a person turns 18, and a one year age difference is no real age difference.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - BIRD33 - 02-19-2005

leucetios Wrote:Laws aside, Tom raises a point. Say you're attending a couples 25th anniversary. You find out there that they met when she was 12 and he was 20 and they were sexually active. Got married when she was 20 and had been married and faithful and happy.

Does it change the way you view the guy?

Say you go to a couple's 25th and it turns out that he bought her at some slave market in africa when she was 9.She probably had a better life than she could ever have had but does that change the fact the guys buying slaves?I would think if you really loved a girl you would wait till she was of age (17ish) otherwise your just using a child for your gratification.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - TomFoolery - 02-19-2005

leucetios Wrote:small age gaps like that are typically more accepted. An 18 yr old guy dating a 17 yr old girl and having sex is typically (morally) accepted. There's no magic that happens when a person turns 18, and a one year age difference is no real age difference.

Does 'more accepted' mean 'less disgusting'? Do you consider the 18 year old's actions of sleeping with a minor disturbing? What if an 18 year old starts dating a 16 year old? That isn't much of an age difference, is that morally acceptable?

Edit: Assuming the legal age of consent is 18

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - snarg - 02-19-2005

TomFoolery Wrote:I know, but I think I might have an easier time stomaching that fact if they were married (say 10 years from now) and brought it up. I don't know. It doesn't mean I don't think it's disgusting though.

Question: 2 high school kids are dating. The girl is 14 and the boy is 15. They date for 3 years and dude turns 18 but is still having sex with her while she's 17. Is that disgusting?

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - TomFoolery - 02-19-2005

snarg Wrote:no

No to which point? Explain.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - leucetios - 02-19-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Say you go to a couple's 25th and it turns out that he bought her at some slave market in africa when she was 9.She probably had a better life than she could ever have had but does that change the fact the guys buying slaves?I would think if you really loved a girl you would wait till she was of age (17ish) otherwise your just using a child for your gratification.

that argument doesn't really hold up when she was only a child for less than on third of the relationship (in my example).

I've tried to avoid putting my own response so far, but here goes:

I disagree with the scenario, and while I wouldn't necessarily run out and insist that this guy register as a sex offender, I would seriously have to question why he was attracted to someone that young to begin with. Length of marriage, 25, 45, or 75 years, doesn't change that as an adult he was attracted to a child - and I probably would think of him differently and be hesitant to let them babysit for me.

12 Yr Old Girl "Raped" - cLaY - 02-19-2005

I'll go ahead and throw this scenario out there for you guys since you think I'm a fuckwad anyway. I was 20, just got out of college and was dating a girl who was 17. Fucked her all kinds of crazy ways, fucked her in front of my parents house, fucked her in the back of my old GMC Jimmy, fucked her in my bed, fucked her in a tent on a camping trip, fucked her in her car, fucked her at the tanning salon she worked at.

Does that make me a sick, fucked up individual?