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Nerd Help Needed - TomFoolery - 11-15-2004

I'm considering purchasing the following items and making my own PC. Any suggestions on additional or alternative parts needed? All help appreciated.



Rosewill ATX Case with 400W Power Supply and Side Window (Black), Model "TU-155" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Case Type: Mid-Tower
Color: Black
Material: Steel & Plastic
Drive Bays: 4 x 5.25" Exposed, 2 x 3.5" Exposed, 3 x 3.5" Internal
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2x USB2.0, 2 x Audio, IEEE 1394
Power Supply: Rosewill 400w
Cooling System: 1 x 80mm Fan (rear)
Motherboard Compatibility: uATX/MicroATX/ATX


more info-> N82E16811147001


EPoX "EP-8KDA3J" nForce3-250Gb Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon64 Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb
FSB: 800MHz (Hyper-Transport)
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X(1.5V), 6x PCI
Ports: 2xPS/2,1xLPT,1xCOM,SPDIF Out,1xLAN,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC850 8-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Gigabit Ethernet
Onboard SATA: 2x Serial ATA 150


Form Factor: ATX more info-> N82E16813123219





AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 512k L2 Cache, The Only 64-bit Windows Compatible Processor - Retail Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
FSB: Integrated int chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Warranty: 3-year MFG


Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info-> N82E16819103483



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PDP SYSTEMS DDR Memory 184-Pin 1GB PC-3200, Model PSD1G400 - Retail
Specifications:
Manufacturer: PDP SYSTEMS
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization:128M x 64 -Bit


Warranty: Lifetime more info-> N82E16820220030







SAMSUNG 160GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model SP1604N, OEM Drive OnlySpecifications:
Capacity: 160GB
Average Seek Time: 8.9 ms
Buffer: 2MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA133
Features: Fluid Dynamic Bearing Spindle Motor Technology
Manufacturer Warranty: 3 years


Packaging: OEM Drive Only more info-> N82E16822152011


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NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Black, Model ND-3500A BK, OEM
Specifications:
Write Speed: 16X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 4X DVD+R9, 16X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 48X CD-R, 24X CD-RW
Read Speed: 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/ 2000/ ME/ 98SE
Features: High speed writing performance.
Packaging: OEM (see pictures for details) more info-> N82E16827152032

Nerd Help Needed - greg - 11-15-2004

I got nuthin.


Just sayin.

Nerd Help Needed - PurpleHaze - 11-15-2004

where the fuck have you been? Fucker.

Nerd Help Needed - Jesse Antarctica - 11-15-2004

ok everything seems almost fine anyway :

- if you take a 64 bits processor think about using a 64 bits os as well (linux or windows).
- Wich graphic card do you plan to use ? It isn't really specified if the motherboard uses the AGP or the PCI-pro slot. It is important as PCI-pro is not compatible (physically different slots !!)with AGP (PCI-pro is the next generation of graphic slots)
- Hard disk, ok you're taking Ultra-ATA (or refered as PATA). Next gen. connectors are Serial ATA. Serial ATA sustains a major bandwitch on the connector, you should switch to the SATA disks.
- dvd burner, double layer, good choice.
- Motherboard as a FSB of 800 Mhz but only 400 Mhz ram bus. So clearly the maximum speed (not really but you should consider that nothing can go faster than ram access) is going to be 400 Mhz, newest motherboards could sustain speeds to 533mhz on the ram....

Nerd Help Needed - TomFoolery - 11-15-2004

Good shit ntype. The processor I chose claims to be the only 64 bit processor supported by Windows, and I have a transferrable copy of Win XP Pro that I will install on the new system.

I don't have a graphics card selected yet...the chipset says it supports NVIDIA nForce3 but I couldn't find a graphics card at NewEgg that fits that description...is that what I should be looking for or do I only need to know if the motherboard uses AGP or PCI-pro?

I'll switch the HD to SATA, thanks for the suggestion.

I'll see if I can find a motherboard with 533mhz RAM bus and post the revised wish list.

Any other suggestions or comments?

Nerd Help Needed - TomFoolery - 11-15-2004

Revised wish list. Any comments/suggestions? I'm prolly going to purchase today unless I get some advice on better components. TIA


Rosewill ATX Case with 400W Power Supply and Side Window (Black), Model "TU-155" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Case Type: Mid-Tower
Color: Black
Material: Steel & Plastic
Drive Bays: 4 x 5.25" Exposed, 2 x 3.5" Exposed, 3 x 3.5" Internal
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2x USB2.0, 2 x Audio, IEEE 1394
Power Supply: Rosewill 400w
Cooling System: 1 x 80mm Fan (rear)
Motherboard Compatibility: uATX/MicroATX/ATX


more info-> N82E16811147001


EPoX "EP-8KDA3J" nForce3-250Gb Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon64 Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb
FSB: 800MHz (Hyper-Transport)
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X(1.5V), 6x PCI
Ports: 2xPS/2,1xLPT,1xCOM,SPDIF Out,1xLAN,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC850 8-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Gigabit Ethernet
Onboard SATA: 2x Serial ATA 150


Form Factor: ATX more info-> N82E16813123219


SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, PCI -OEM
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9200SE/200MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/400MHz
BUS: PCI
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+DVI+TV-Out(S-Video Out+Composite Out)
Support 3D API: DirectX®8.1, OpenGL®1.3
Cable/Accessories: Driver CD


Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz more info-> N82E16814102354



AMD Athlon 64 3000+, 512KB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor - Retail
Specifications:
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3000+
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13 Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+


Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info-> N82E16819103486


PDP SYSTEMS DDR Memory 184-Pin 1GB PC-3200, Model PSD1G400 - Retail
Specifications:
Manufacturer: PDP SYSTEMS
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization:128M x 64 -Bit


Warranty: Lifetime more info-> N82E16820220030



SAMSUNG 160GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model SP1614C, OEM Drive Only
Specifications:
Capacity: 160GB
Average Seek Time: 8.9 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: Serial ATA
Features: Fluid Dynamic Bearing Spindle Motor Technology
Manufacturer Warranty: 3 years


Packaging: OEM Drive Only more info-> N82E16822152015


SONY Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive, Model DDU1613/B2s, OEM
Specifications:
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
Interface: E-IDE/ATAPI
Buffer: 512KB
Access Time: 80-220ms DVD, 165ms CD
Data Transfer Rate: 1,800~3,600 kB/s (CD), 8,788~21,632 kB/s Single Layer, 5,586~13,520 kB/s Dual Layer
Features: Compatible with all CD formats


Packaging: OEM Pack Drive only (see pictures for details) more info-> N82E16827101124



NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Black, Model ND-3500A BK, OEM
Specifications:
Write Speed: 16X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 4X DVD+R9, 16X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 48X CD-R, 24X CD-RW
Read Speed: 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/ 2000/ ME/ 98SE
Features: High speed writing performance.
Packaging: OEM (see pictures for details) more info->

Nerd Help Needed - Loser of Passwords - 11-15-2004

Reported.

Nerd Help Needed - TomFoolery - 11-15-2004

Loser of Passwords Wrote:Reported.

You're a BeatBiter.

Nerd Help Needed - Bill - 11-15-2004

I just had to put together a work station for someone, not a gamers computer, but it turned out really well just the same....

CASE CASEDGE|TLM436 RTL N82E16811153028
MB ASUS A7V400-MX VIA KM400A RTL N82E16813131509
CPU AMD|2600 /333 ATHLON XP TBRED% N82E16819103349
PQI POWER 256MB DDR PC2700 % N82E16820141168

those are newegg #'s incase you wanted to take a look. remember it is a workstation. the case isn't too great. and everything is onboard, but it runs like a champ.

Nerd Help Needed - asshat - 11-15-2004

Please add to the list:

Duct tape
Baling wire
Zip ties

Thanks.

Nerd Help Needed - SanDog - 11-15-2004

Make sure you get at least a 200 baud modem. Otherwise the BBS's will load really slowly.
Oh, and if you can get the 5 1/4 floppy drive, it helps.
My commodore 64 runs sweet with those 2 options.

Nerd Help Needed - TomFoolery - 11-15-2004

SanDog Wrote:Make sure you get at least a 200 baud modem. Otherwise the BBS's will load really slowly.
Oh, and if you can get the 5 1/4 floppy drive, it helps.
My commodore 64 runs sweet with those 2 options.

I just scrapped the whole entire wish list and I'm gonna start from scratch. It sounds like you know what you're talking about so I'll take any additional info you've got. Thanks!

Nerd Help Needed - SanDog - 11-15-2004

If that is case, then here is more.

Go with the color 12 inch monitor, they are bit steep but the amber screen can get tiresome.
They make faster modems, but it takes a lot of lawns mowed to get in the 2400 baud range.
The best game I have found it probably Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It is really neat.

Nerd Help Needed - TomFoolery - 11-15-2004

Sweet. I just picked up a copy of Oregon Trail on 5.25". I can't wait to get the new system.

On a completely serious note, I don't need the monitor--last November I bought a Compaq 17" LCD for $5.09. They had an incorrect price on their website and I got 3 of them shipped before they caught the error. They wanted me to pay $509 each, but I told them to eat a dick and they finally gave up the fight 2 months later.

Nerd Help Needed - asshat - 11-15-2004

Do you have a soldering iron?

Nerd Help Needed - TomFoolery - 11-15-2004

Arby Wrote:Do you have a soldering iron?

No, but I can get one. Why do you ask?

Nerd Help Needed - CT280 - 11-15-2004

make sure you super size this shit.

Nerd Help Needed - asshat - 11-15-2004

Rufus Dangerpants Wrote:No, but I can get one. Why do you ask?
Well, I figured that you would need one, but on further review I have found this:

Gather the tools.

Required:
Knife
Phillips head screwdriver
Socket driver
Diagonal cutters

Optional:
Anti-static wrist strap
Anti-static mats
Workbench
Forceps (handy for moving jumpers; picking-up screws dropped in a case)

Nerd Help Needed - Bill - 11-15-2004

about those tools.....

Knife - to cut your wrists with after 4 weeks of trying to figure out
why your new self build puter won't work.
Phillips head screwdriver - to jab into your temple if the knife don't work.
Socket driver - to put up your butt, just for kicks
Diagonal cutters - to cut up that pimply 13 year old into small peices for fixing your puter in 5 min;. 4 weeks and two suicide attempts later.

Optional:
Anti-static wrist strap - NOT a cute leash for your penis.
Anti-static mats - a place mat for your cat while you rub it's head with a ballon.
Workbench - that antique solid cherry dining room table of your wife will work fine.
Forceps - you'll need these to extract the cats claws from your body after rubbing it's head with the ballon.

Nerd Help Needed - Jesse Antarctica - 11-15-2004

ok dunno if you planned to play with your pc but putting a 9200se radeon graphic board in this monster ....is errr like using wooden wheels on your new Ferrari.
SHAME !
Moreover if you really want to pickup this one take the Asus 9200se (48$ !) otherwise may I suggest you to take a better graphicboard using a Nvidia Geforce 5600 and up chip (the 5200 ones aren't much better than the precedent series (geforce 4,ti 4400 series).

More expensive but funny for the overclocker fan : Asus 5900xt (193$) , Tom's test,
A little bit less expensive as well great graphic card Msi
...

and well we could continue a little bit longer but you didn't provided two informations
1.budget
2. usage (gaming station, CGI rendering , just browsing porn on the net...)

Anyway taking such a lame graphic board is really well under everything.

Checked the specs the motherboard is AGP 8X

In all cases go to Tom's Hardware Graphic Card comparative to check all the infos, don't need to put all your bucks into a graphic card but looking at some benchmarks and test before isn't a bad idea (as excellent cards aren't all the times the most expensive).