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Some notes on Kerry - Hambone - 03-09-2004
Subject: John Kerry...You decide
Sent to me by an old shipmate....
I was in the Delta shortly after he (Kerry) left. I know that area well.
I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the
doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116
(PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's
command.
Here are my problems and suspicions:
(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze
Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with
any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and
the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such
pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty
wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in
the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was
mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.
(2) Three Purple Hearts but no visable signs? All injuries so minor that
no time lost from duty? Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for
medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on
the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds.
At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three
purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his
tour. Fishy!
(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no
sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed.
Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him
down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie,
and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.
(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to
the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity
of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you
and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
(B) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round
and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty.
There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger
to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few
seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action
report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that,
too.
© Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing
procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area.
EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat
was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn't return fire. It was
stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and
reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat
during or after a firefight.
Something is fishy.
Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for
carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running
across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to
get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots
of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests
separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for
Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachsetts in 1970 so
reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the
cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to
invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the
heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes
against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the
Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since that
turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake
twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well
so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted
to allow him to go to war.
I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering our flanks in Vietnam.
I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from
CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record. I
know in my gut it's wildy inflated. And fishy.
:angry:
Some notes on Kerry - Velvet - 03-09-2004
That is really sus .. I think I would be asking for more proof like people who were there with him to verify all the facts .. I dunno.. with polititions you have either one liar or another .. You just have to decide which liar you want
Some notes on Kerry - Bonkyboy - 03-09-2004
Exactly, Velvet.
I KNOW what Bush has done to the economy.
I KNOW Bush is a liar about his past record dodging military service.
I KNOW what Bush has done to send our fine young men and women off to die.
I KNOW what Bush and Cheney have done to enrich their friends.
So, forgive me if I choose to vote in hopes of going back to the peace and prosperity we enjoyed -- YES, ENJOYED -- under a Democratic administration.
(applause)
Thank you. Thank you very much.
(humble bow)
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Some notes on Kerry - Firemanz84 - 03-09-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Bonkyboy@Mar 9 2004, 01:45 AMI sure hope you were against Clinton the same way you are against Bush then...
Exactly, Velvet.
I KNOW what Bush has done to the economy.
I KNOW Bush is a liar about his past record dodging military service.
I KNOW what Bush has done to send our fine young men and women off to die.
I KNOW what Bush and Cheney have done to enrich their friends.
So, forgive me if I choose to vote in hopes of going back to the peace and prosperity we enjoyed -- YES, ENJOYED -- under a Democratic administration.
(applause)
Thank you. Thank you very much.
(humble bow)
Some notes on Kerry - Hambone - 03-09-2004
The problem is I don't trust either one, I have lost a few friend in Iraq due to Bush, but if kerry gets in It will be like Carter again
Some notes on Kerry - Ironcandle - 03-09-2004
I don't trust an article by "somebody" who has "suspicions". The man was there, and could have gotten his ass shot off.
The rich and connected have ALWAYS gotten away with not serving dangerous duty. This is nothing new. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass where Kerry OR Bush was 30 years ago. I want two things, improving economy and dead terrorists littering the streets of all enemy countries.
Whoever can do both at the same time is my guy.
Some notes on Kerry - bobbythong - 03-09-2004
Don`t know much about him but he does look like Keith Richard`s illegitimate brother.
Some notes on Kerry - Ironcandle - 03-09-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Collyboy@Mar 9 2004, 09:24 AMI said that too! I posted a "side by side" and the resemblance is uncanny. He just looks like a big foreskin to me.
Don`t know much about him but he does look like Keith Richard`s illegitimate brother.
Some notes on Kerry - Firemanz84 - 03-09-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Collyboy@Mar 9 2004, 09:24 AMMore like his underdeveloped conjoined twin...
Don`t know much about him but he does look like Keith Richard`s illegitimate brother.
Some notes on Kerry - bobbythong - 03-09-2004
LOL
Wasn`t he in that old horror movie, Basket Case?
Some notes on Kerry - Suicide Jim - 03-09-2004
just a sugestion but how 'bout we keep this site politics free. from some of my experences at UJ i know politics can ruin a perectly good thread.
Some notes on Kerry - Beaucephus - 03-09-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Suicide Jim@Mar 9 2004, 01:31 PMHey Jim I can see your point there but we have pretty much decided to let the threads take their course here. One of the problems at UJ was over moderation of certain things and we don't want to do that here. I hope that doesn't run you off. All I can ask is that you just either pass the thread on and start another or just pass the thread by completely.
just a sugestion but how 'bout we keep this site politics free. from some of my experences at UJ i know politics can ruin a perectly good thread.
Some notes on Kerry - Suicide Jim - 03-09-2004
no worries about running me off. i will take your advice though and stay away from political threads.
Some notes on Kerry - Beaucephus - 03-09-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Suicide Jim@Mar 9 2004, 01:39 PMGlad to hear that then. I appreciate your understanding. B)
no worries about running me off. i will take your advice though and stay away from political threads.
Some notes on Kerry - Jacob THE Poo - 03-09-2004
Quote:Originally posted by Suicide Jim@Mar 9 2004, 01:39 PMYou're not the only one.
no worries about running me off. [b]i will take your advice though and stay away from political threads.[/b]
Some notes on Kerry - joec - 03-10-2004
i think people question everything and try to look at things from their bias....its hard enought to get medals in the military let alone get both a bronze star and a silver star....i doubt you can do everything wrong and get one....
Some notes on Kerry - Undeadcannibal - 03-10-2004
I'm not big on politics, but all I know, is that from what I've seen, if anyone still in the race gets elected, we're fucked.