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How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Sassy - 10-12-2006
Gadonkadonk Money Dawg Wrote:What is in like in there? Do not ask me any more questions please.BIRD33 Wrote:Flumpers all about high minded rhetoric from speech's, I'm about facts on the ground.
It'll be Mcain\Guiliani in a cake walk.
In some peoples eyes the sources of those facts would be considered high minded rhetoric. Just sayin dude.
Hopefully McCain\Guiliani can do something to clean up the image of American politics. People are pretty sick of the bullshit being fed to them from all sides so they definitely have their work cut out for them.
Why do you hope for Human emotions are very confusing.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Gadonkadonk Money Dawg Wrote:In some peoples eyes the sources of those facts would be considered high minded rhetoric. Just sayin dude.
Hopefully McCain\Guiliani can do something to clean up the image of American politics. People are pretty sick of the bullshit being fed to them from all sides so they definitely have their work cut out for them.
Body counts and no wmd's\no connection to 9-11 is all I'm looking at when it comes to Iraq.I'm quoting republicans when it comes to korea so I think I'm pretty "fair and balanced" when it comes to that.I think the thing to look at is what does flumper not agree with bush on?I think afganistan was a no-brainer and I like the way we handled that so I'm not a partisan retard.Where's flump bone of contention with bush on anything even in the slightest?
We need more people from the other party in a presidents cabinet to give a view that isnt based on upcoming elections but actually whats best for the country.I think it all depends on the confidence the president has in himself and his ability to lead.Deep down I think bush is insecure as hell.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Gadonkadonk Money Dawg - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Body counts and no wmd's\no connection to 9-11 is all I'm looking at when it comes to Iraq.I'm quoting republicans when it comes to korea so I think I'm pretty "fair and balanced" when it comes to that.I think the thing to look at is what does flumper not agree with bush on?I think afganistan was a no-brainer and I like the way we handled that so I'm not a partisan retard.Where's flump bone of contention with bush on anything even in the slightest?
We need more people from the other party in a presidents cabinet to give a view that isnt based on upcoming elections but actually whats best for the country.I think it all depends on the confidence the president has in himself and his ability to lead. Deep down I think bush is insecure as hell.
I disagree with that somewhat. An insecure person would have caved when more then half their nation and the majority of the rest of the world basically calls them a functional retard. Dudes got some balls. And hes done some good things. But hes also a colossal fucking douche. Same as most presidents.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Gadonkadonk Money Dawg Wrote:I disagree with that somewhat. An insecure person would have caved when more then half their nation and the majority of the rest of the world basically calls them a functional retard. Dudes got some balls. And hes done some good things. But hes also a colossal fucking douche. Same as most presidents.
Not being able to admit you're wrong is insecure.He's the king of that.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Where's flump bone of contention with bush on anything even in the slightest?
Where's my bones of contention with Bush? That's a different question. Just off the top of my head, I'll give you some things that I disagree with Bush on.
1. Having Dick Cheney as his VP. I think that is shallow and short sighted. Everyone knows Dick Cheney's health problems and he's come right out and said that he has no political aspirations after serving as VP. So what was the point of having him, it can only appear that he was needed to sit in as co-pilot which is never a good way to start or run a presidency.
2. Giving a huge contract to Brown & Root (Haliburton). Cheney had been on the board of that company and no matter how you slice that contract it looks like bullshit to me. You can't do a cost plus contract with your friends and not get fucked in the deal. That one smelled like pure bullshit to me and I'm suprised there wasn't a bigger deal made of it.
3. If I had been Bush, and found the intelligence of this country to be so bad as it was after we took control of Iraq, I would have been spitting fire. I would have seriously been kicking up some shit over that. That was embarassing, not only because it was much of the foundation of why we went to war in the first place, but we were standing in front of the whole world with our pants down. I'll never be more embarassed than watching clips of Powell giving his speech at the UN a few days before the war.
4. I'm pissed that we haven't gotten Osama Bin Laden yet. I realize they have done all that they can (honestly think that), but I still remember the old CIA days that if they wanted to take out someone, anywhere, it would happen. Or at least that is what we were led to believe. I'm just disappointed that in today's world, with the technology, the surveillance, the satellite imagery, the unmanned drones and such that we can't find that one guy.
5. I'm pissed that we haven't been able to protect the oil fields in Iraq. If nothing else, the oil supply to that country should have been protected. That oil could be paying much of the cost that we are being forced to bear because of the war.
6. I wish we had done a better job after taking Saddam out of power. Sealing the borders, keeping the insurgents out, anything to limit the disruption while the country was stabilized.
7. I wish that he could have kept his relation with Putin like it was in the first few years. Not that Putin could be all that much help in anything right now, but it was kind of cool having Putin spending the night in bumfuck Texas and visiting a school gymnasium for a 2A high school pep rally. As Bush said then, "Who would have thought 40 years ago that the US and Soviet Presidents would be standing in a gym for a pep rally together?" Growing up worried about the cold war as I have, it was really cool to see that.
8. I wish he had kept the oil/gas prices down during all of this turmoil. He was supposed to have all the connections with the Saudis and Kuwaitis and such, and yet he couldn't control OPEC. I thought that looked bad for him.
9. He should have kept the big oil company profits down or called them out on the carpet more when they posted these record profits during times when gasoline prices were choking the nation.
10. I thought nominating that lady to the Supreme Court was the lamest thing I've ever seen. I can't remember her name, but she is a small potato and that was done purely for personal reasons.
11. I think he takes too many/too long of vacations. I know that as President, with today's technology, its possible to do your job from most anywhere. But, perception means a lot. I don't have to be at work until 6:30 at night every night, but I want the guys that work for me to know that I'm here as long as they are. I just think that is important.
I could go on. But i also think that he did some things that were admirable. I think that he got dealt about as shitty of a hand as you could be dealt, without much in the way of a precedent to follow. The last time we were attacked on our homeland, we dropped two atomic bombs.
But, I do not think that he lied or deceived us for any personal reasons by going in and taking out Saddam. I think that was done exactly for the reasons he gave and they were genuine and honest and necessary.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Where's my bones of contention with Bush? That's a different question. Just off the top of my head, I'll give you some things that I disagree with Bush on.
1. Having Dick Cheney as his VP. I think that is shallow and short sighted. Everyone knows Dick Cheney's health problems and he's come right out and said that he has no political aspirations after serving as VP. So what was the point of having him, it can only appear that he was needed to sit in as co-pilot which is never a good way to start or run a presidency.
2. Giving a huge contract to Brown & Root (Haliburton). Cheney had been on the board of that company and no matter how you slice that contract it looks like bullshit to me. You can't do a cost plus contract with your friends and not get fucked in the deal. That one smelled like pure bullshit to me and I'm suprised there wasn't a bigger deal made of it.
3. If I had been Bush, and found the intelligence of this country to be so bad as it was after we took control of Iraq, I would have been spitting fire. I would have seriously been kicking up some shit over that. That was embarassing, not only because it was much of the foundation of why we went to war in the first place, but we were standing in front of the whole world with our pants down. I'll never be more embarassed than watching clips of Powell giving his speech at the UN a few days before the war.
4. I'm pissed that we haven't gotten Osama Bin Laden yet. I realize they have done all that they can (honestly think that), but I still remember the old CIA days that if they wanted to take out someone, anywhere, it would happen. Or at least that is what we were led to believe. I'm just disappointed that in today's world, with the technology, the surveillance, the satellite imagery, the unmanned drones and such that we can't find that one guy.
5. I'm pissed that we haven't been able to protect the oil fields in Iraq. If nothing else, the oil supply to that country should have been protected. That oil could be paying much of the cost that we are being forced to bear because of the war.
6. I wish we had done a better job after taking Saddam out of power. Sealing the borders, keeping the insurgents out, anything to limit the disruption while the country was stabilized.
7. I wish that he could have kept his relation with Putin like it was in the first few years. Not that Putin could be all that much help in anything right now, but it was kind of cool having Putin spending the night in bumfuck Texas and visiting a school gymnasium for a 2A high school pep rally. As Bush said then, "Who would have thought 40 years ago that the US and Soviet Presidents would be standing in a gym for a pep rally together?" Growing up worried about the cold war as I have, it was really cool to see that.
8. I wish he had kept the oil/gas prices down during all of this turmoil. He was supposed to have all the connections with the Saudis and Kuwaitis and such, and yet he couldn't control OPEC. I thought that looked bad for him.
9. He should have kept the big oil company profits down or called them out on the carpet more when they posted these record profits during times when gasoline prices were choking the nation.
10. I thought nominating that lady to the Supreme Court was the lamest thing I've ever seen. I can't remember her name, but she is a small potato and that was done purely for personal reasons.
11. I think he takes too many/too long of vacations. I know that as President, with today's technology, its possible to do your job from most anywhere. But, perception means a lot. I don't have to be at work until 6:30 at night every night, but I want the guys that work for me to know that I'm here as long as they are. I just think that is important.
I could go on. But i also think that he did some things that were admirable. I think that he got dealt about as shitty of a hand as you could be dealt, without much in the way of a precedent to follow. The last time we were attacked on our homeland, we dropped two atomic bombs.
But, I do not think that he lied or deceived us for any personal reasons by going in and taking out Saddam. I think that was done exactly for the reasons he gave and they were genuine and honest and necessary.
We bombed the country responsible, right?
Fun fact about GWB. The day of 9\11 he was in bed by 11:30.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:We bombed the country responsible, right?
Fun fact about GWB. The day of 9\11 he was in bed by 11:30.
There was no "country" responsible for 9-11. That's what made it unique. We had never been attacked by a gang before. Afghanistan didn't declare war on us. A band of gypsies did. They come from all over the world. Its a little bit different situation, unless your head is jammed so far up Bob Woodward's ass that you can't see past his prostate gland.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:There was no "country" responsible for 9-11. That's what made it unique. We had never been attacked by a gang before. Afghanistan didn't declare war on us. A band of gypsies did. They come from all over the world. Its a little bit different situation, unless your head is jammed so far up Bob Woodward's ass that you can't see past his prostate gland.
Any from Iraq?
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:We bombed the country responsible, right?
Fun fact about GWB. The day of 9\11 he was in bed by 11:30.
Gosh I wish George Bush had stayed up past midnight that night. I'm sure he could have made everything better. What fucking point does the time he went to bed make? Did you hear that in a Michael Moore movie? That sounds like some bullshit Michael Moore or Bob Woodward would use to make a point.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Gosh I wish George Bush had stayed up past midnight that night. I'm sure he could have made everything better. What fucking point does the time he went to bed make? Did you hear that in a Michael Moore movie? That sounds like some bullshit Michael Moore or Bob Woodward would use to make a point.
I stayed up past 11:30 that night how about you?
At 11.30pm, they were sound asleep. “I can hear a guy breathing quite heavily.
‘Mr President! Mr President! There’s an unidentified aircraft heading toward the
White House.’ So we get out of bed. I’m actually in my running shorts with a
T-shirt, old shoes. Grab Barney, grab Spot (the family dogs). Laura has no
contacts, she’s holding on to my arm. We get into the elevator, straight down,
in towards the conference room.
“And I’m thinking: ‘What the heck is going on?’ Then an enlisted fellow walks in
and goes: ‘Mr President, good news. It’s one of our own.’ ”
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Any from Iraq?
Are you so fucking dillusional that you can't separate 9-11 from Iraq? They have no connection. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Can you understand that? We didn't go into Iraq because they bombed our buildings. Does that make sense?
Please read this and try to wrap your pin head around it:
From Bush's State of the Union:
Quote:Our nation will continue to be steadfast and patient and persistent in the pursuit of two great objectives. First, we will shut down terrorist camps, disrupt terrorist plans, and bring terrorists to justice. And, second, we must prevent the terrorists and regimes who seek chemical, biological or nuclear weapons from threatening the United States and the world.
Quote:While the most visible military action is in Afghanistan, America is acting elsewhere. We now have troops in the Philippines, helping to train that country's armed forces to go after terrorist cells that have executed an American, and still hold hostages. Our soldiers, working with the Bosnian government, seized terrorists who were plotting to bomb our embassy. Our Navy is patrolling the coast of Africa to block the shipment of weapons and the establishment of terrorist camps in Somalia.
Quote:Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction. Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th. But we know their true nature. North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.
Quote:Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom.
Quote:Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax, and nerve gas, and nuclear weapons for over a decade. This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens -- leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children. This is a regime that agreed to international inspections -- then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world.
Now, for one second, can you crawl out from under Hillary's skirt and point out to me where he ever mentions that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11?
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml
After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.
"Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke said to Stahl. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.
"Initially, I thought when he said, 'There aren't enough targets in-- in Afghanistan,' I thought he was joking.
"I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection, but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection."
Clarke says he and CIA Director George Tenet told that to Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.
Clarke then tells Stahl of being pressured by Mr. Bush.
"The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.
"I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.'
"He came back at me and said, "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report."
Clarke continued, "It was a serious look. We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. We wrote the report. We sent the report out to CIA and found FBI and said, 'Will you sign this report?' They all cleared the report. And we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the National Security Advisor or Deputy. It got bounced and sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. ... Do it again.'
"I have no idea, to this day, if the president saw it, because after we did it again, it came to the same conclusion. And frankly, I don't think the people around the president show him memos like that. I don't think he sees memos that he doesn't-- wouldn't like the answer."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/29/national/w041951D35.DTL
The war reached our shores on September the 11th, 2001," Bush told a national television audience and 750 soldiers and airmen in dress uniform who mostly listened quietly as they had been asked to do.
"Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war," he continued.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060922/OPINION02/609220359/1070/OPINION
"The United States could not risk the threat posed by Iraq after 9/11," the president said. He went on to defend the American attack on Iraq as essential to homeland security."
The argument carried some water in the aftermath of 9/11, but the president's continued insistence, in the face of contrary evidence, that Iraq was connected to the 9/11 attacks is difficult to swallow. The president's constant revisionism five years after the fact -- and after the facts are even clearer -- is an insult to Americans.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml
After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.
"Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke said to Stahl. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.
"Initially, I thought when he said, 'There aren't enough targets in-- in Afghanistan,' I thought he was joking.
"I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection, but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection."
Clarke says he and CIA Director George Tenet told that to Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.
Clarke then tells Stahl of being pressured by Mr. Bush.
"The president dragged me into a room with a couple of other people, shut the door, and said, 'I want you to find whether Iraq did this.' Now he never said, 'Make it up.' But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this.
"I said, 'Mr. President. We've done this before. We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There's no connection.'
"He came back at me and said, "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report."
Clarke continued, "It was a serious look. We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. We wrote the report. We sent the report out to CIA and found FBI and said, 'Will you sign this report?' They all cleared the report. And we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the National Security Advisor or Deputy. It got bounced and sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. ... Do it again.'
"I have no idea, to this day, if the president saw it, because after we did it again, it came to the same conclusion. And frankly, I don't think the people around the president show him memos like that. I don't think he sees memos that he doesn't-- wouldn't like the answer."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/06/29/national/w041951D35.DTL
The war reached our shores on September the 11th, 2001," Bush told a national television audience and 750 soldiers and airmen in dress uniform who mostly listened quietly as they had been asked to do.
"Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war," he continued.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060922/OPINION02/609220359/1070/OPINION
"The United States could not risk the threat posed by Iraq after 9/11," the president said. He went on to defend the American attack on Iraq as essential to homeland security."
The argument carried some water in the aftermath of 9/11, but the president's continued insistence, in the face of contrary evidence, that Iraq was connected to the 9/11 attacks is difficult to swallow. The president's constant revisionism five years after the fact -- and after the facts are even clearer -- is an insult to Americans.
Did you read his State of the Union. He never said Iraq had anything to do with 9-11. In fact, he was really clear that they did not. I get the feeling that you don't read past the first thing that gets your attention.
[SIZE="6"]BUSH NEVER SAID THAT IRAQ HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.[/SIZE]
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Did you read his State of the Union. He never said Iraq had anything to do with 9-11. In fact, he was really clear that they did not. I get the feeling that you don't read past the first thing that gets your attention.
BUSH NEVER SAID THAT IRAQ HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.
The state of the union isnt the bible, he says one thing and does another.The majority of the country believes this now. Did you read what national security director Richard Clarke said?Seems pretty obvious.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:The state of the union isnt the bible, he says one thing and does another.The majority of the country believes this now. Did you read what national security director Richard Clarke said?Seems pretty obvious.
Yeah I read it. You always seem to use the "he said he heard" theory. Why not just go by what people really say. The things that are easiest to comprehend. The ones that come out of their mouths.
Why depend on people (with whatever agendas they might have) to tell you what a person says. Why not just listen to what they say.
You are a conspiracy nutball. You've allowed yourself to be gobbled up by the left wing spin machine and you've started believing in it. I'll bet you are one of the dumb fucks that secretly believes that GWB went to Iraq to get Saddam because Saddam tried to assasinate his father.
The whole Iraq thing was cooked up as a way for the son to win back the honor of his father.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Sassy - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Yeah I know what you mean about that.This was not a yes or no question. I don't think I've read that. Can you give me a reference?BIRD33 Wrote:The state of the union isnt the bible, he says one thing and does another.The majority of the country believes this now. Did you read what national security director Richard Clarke said?Seems pretty obvious.
Yeah I read it. You always seem to use the "he said he heard" theory. Why not just go by what people really say. The things that are easiest to comprehend. The ones that come out of their mouths.
Why depend on people (with whatever agendas they might have) to tell you what a person says. Why not just listen to what they say.
You are a conspiracy nutball. You've allowed yourself to be gobbled up by the left wing spin machine and you've started believing in it. I'll bet you are one of the dumb fucks that secretly believes that GWB went to Iraq to get Saddam because Saddam tried to assasinate his father.
The whole Iraq thing was cooked up as a way for the son to win back the honor of his father.
Say no to .Becuase you asked me to.
I hear you.
What is your real name?
The explanation is rather complicated.
Becuase you asked me to.Thanks and you are a delightful person too.
Am I a ?
Only when it matters."it" being The explanation?All of them?Let us try to break it down into parts.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - SanDog - 10-13-2006
I am sorry I was not here for this.
1. I don't feel that we were lied to about Iraq. I feel we went with the intelligence we had, that we did what we thought was in our best intrest at the time.
2. I am not happy with the way Iraq has gone.
3. Libel is hard to prove, that is why most people don't bother trying.
4. Flumpers post on things wrong with Bush is a really good post. I concur on most counts.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-13-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Yeah I read it. You always seem to use the "he said he heard" theory. Why not just go by what people really say. The things that are easiest to comprehend. The ones that come out of their mouths.
Why depend on people (with whatever agendas they might have) to tell you what a person says. Why not just listen to what they say.
You are a conspiracy nutball. You've allowed yourself to be gobbled up by the left wing spin machine and you've started believing in it. I'll bet you are one of the dumb fucks that secretly believes that GWB went to Iraq to get Saddam because Saddam tried to assasinate his father.
The whole Iraq thing was cooked up as a way for the son to win back the honor of his father.
Clarke was there talking to bush.
Politicians rarely say what they really mean in speech's wouldnt you agree?
It is curious that he only applied his bush doctrine to the one country his father didnt finish off when others were bigger threats.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - snarg - 10-13-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Yeah I read it. You always seem to use the "he said he heard" theory. Why not just go by what people really say. The things that are easiest to comprehend. The ones that come out of their mouths.
Why depend on people (with whatever agendas they might have) to tell you what a person says. Why not just listen to what they say.
You are a conspiracy nutball. You've allowed yourself to be gobbled up by the left wing spin machine and you've started believing in it. I'll bet you are one of the dumb fucks that secretly believes that GWB went to Iraq to get Saddam because Saddam tried to assasinate his father.
The whole Iraq thing was cooked up as a way for the son to win back the honor of his father.
the republicans are better at spinning, and you are in their web
intelligent people don't try to defend W
Gadonkadonk Money Dawg Wrote:In some peoples eyes the sources of those facts would be considered high minded rhetoric. Just sayin dude.
Hopefully McCain\Guiliani can do something to clean up the image of American politics. People are pretty sick of the bullshit being fed to them from all sides so they definitely have their work cut out for them.
you phukkers have no idea who GIULIANI is
it would be be dick cheney redux
perish the thought
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-13-2006
SanDog Wrote:I am sorry I was not here for this.
1. I don't feel that we were lied to about Iraq. I feel we went with the intelligence we had, that we did what we thought was in our best intrest at the time.
2. I am not happy with the way Iraq has gone.
3. Libel is hard to prove, that is why most people don't bother trying.
4. Flumpers post on things wrong with Bush is a really good post. I concur on most counts.
Why do you think it was imperrative we acted on Iraq when we did when there were other bigger threats in the world.
If you lay out a plan of action to deal with threats in the world and are only in reality able to complete 1\3 of the plan was it a good idea in the first place especially if the the other two threats get stonger because of it?