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Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Banana - 02-06-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:How much do they take out of your paycheck to cover the "government mandated health care"? and its it the same % for everyone? I'm just trying to get an idea of what kind of coverage this is.
Single person with income of less than $17,450 and family with icome less than $32,210 gets full subsidy (free health care).
Goverment program is $44 per month for single person
$88 for family with children (regardless of how many)
Same for everyone.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - BIRD33 - 02-06-2008
WoolyGoat Wrote:too much red tape and/or stubborn D.C. types?
Some 40 million people don't have health insurance.Thats a large voting bloc that will be heard eventually.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Paddy - 02-06-2008
It's all about the $$$$. You don't think these healthcare companies hire lobbyists?
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-06-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:I'm sure you're probably right.Whats this have to do with why other countries can adopt a program and we can't?
It's like that Michael Moore(bear with me) movie where he goes to detroit and talks to people about the high murder rate and how everyone locks their doors at night and then he goes across the river to canada 5 minutes away from detriot and nobody locks their doors and they've had one murder in 10 years.I'm sure its complicated but other people have made it work so why can't we?
To be honest, I don't think I can answer that. I just know that in America, anytime government steps in and tries to solve a "free enterprise" situation, they only make it worse.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Anhil8tor - 02-06-2008
doesn't canadas doctors make peanuts so they leave to practice elsewhere?
don't you guys have extremely long waits too? Seems like I saw something about all that on 20/20
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - BIRD33 - 02-06-2008
Its not that it can't work its just some ceo's(campaign contributors) stand to lose a lot if it ever happens.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-06-2008
Banana Wrote:Single person with income of less than $17,450 and family with icome less than $32,210 gets full subsidy (free health care).
Goverment program is $44 per month for single person
$88 for family with children (regardless of how many)
Same for everyone.
So, if you have a family, you pay $1,056 per year for insurance? :lool:
Where are these hospitals? In fucking tents?
Who picks up the balance of the cost? You can't tell me that you can get any kind of insurance that anyone would want for $1,056 per year?
Let's say you are really poor. Like cLaY. And you are in a car wreck and have a broken leg with the bone sticking out. Can you go to the hospital and get it fixed, get rehab, medicine and everything you need and not be out one penny?
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - BIRD33 - 02-06-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:To be honest, I don't think I can answer that. I just know that in America, anytime government steps in and tries to solve a "free enterprise" situation, they only make it worse.
So what are we electing people for, the status quo?
Its a free enterprise system thats ripping us off.Most seniors(snarg) would buy drugs from canada if they could.Thats fucked up.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-06-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:So what are we electing people for, the status quo?
Its a free enterprise system thats ripping us off.Most seniors(snarg) would buy drugs from canada if they could.Thats fucked up.
Like I said, I'm not saying that there isn't a lot of work that needs to be done to bring the costs down. I just don't think that our government can ever come up with a universal health care package like Hillary is promising.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Banana - 02-06-2008
Anhil8tor Wrote:doesn't canadas doctors make peanuts so they leave to practice elsewhere?
don't you guys have extremely long waits too? Seems like I saw something about all that on 20/20
Like I said, it's not without flaws. They hardly make peanuts, but people are greedy, and if they can make better money in other places, off they go.
Our cities have long wait times, yes. Don't yours? I kinda thought it was some universal health system thing.
There's a push here (met with strong resistance) for a 2-tiered health system, so the rich people can bypass lines by paying for private services. It happens already with MRI's and elective surgeries. But, the basic foundation of access to health care for eveyone will remain in place. And unless people start dying (in larger numbers :$) from excessive wait times, this system is still considered a success.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - BIRD33 - 02-06-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Like I said, I'm not saying that there isn't a lot of work that needs to be done to bring the costs down. I just don't think that our government can ever come up with a universal health care package like Hillary is promising.
Based on your gut feeling?Other countries have done it.Your logic makes no sense.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-06-2008
BIRD33 Wrote:Some 40 million people don't have health insurance.Thats a large voting bloc that will be heard eventually.
That voting bloc is exactly what Hillary is going after and she is flat out lying to them that she can do what she says. She just wants their vote. At least Obama isn't willing to stand up in front of those people and make them stupid promises that he knows can't happen.
To be honest, I like that about him. He's not selling out just to get votes.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-06-2008
Banana Wrote:Like I said, it's not without flaws. They hardly make peanuts, but people are greedy, and if they can make better money in other places, off they go.
Our cities have long wait times, yes. Don't yours? I kinda thought it was some universal health system thing.
There's a push here (met with strong resistance) for a 2-tiered health system, so the rich people can bypass lines by paying for private services. It happens already with MRI's and elective surgeries. But, the basic foundation of access to health care for eveyone will remain in place. And unless people start dying (in larger numbers :$) from excessive wait times, this system is still considered a success.
I haven't been to a hospital in a while, but I went to a clinic a few months ago. You check in online, then they take a cell phone number and call you 30 min before you see a doctor. You tell them how long it will take you to get there and they adjust it accordingly. Total wait about 5 minutes.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Paddy - 02-06-2008
If you have the $$$$ American medical care is better than anywhere else in the world.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Banana - 02-06-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Let's say you are really poor. Like cLaY. And you are in a car wreck and have a broken leg with the bone sticking out. Can you go to the hospital and get it fixed, get rehab, medicine and everything you need and not be out one penny?
That's what car insurance is for.
To answer your question seriously, yes. Alberta health care would cover your hospital stay, and surgery. In your example, the car insurance would cover the rehab costs.
Let's say cLay breaks his leg snowboarding istead. His hospital stay and surgery are still covered. His rehabilitation is considered an extended health benefit. So, if he doesn't carry private insurance (like, Blue Cross) he pays for physio out of pocket. Prescriptions (outside of the hospital) for medication are also covered by private health care.
Alberta Health Care covers the bare essentials. Dr. visits, lab tests, hospital stays, childbirth, x-rays, investigations.
Private health care cost us $856 last year, so in total, we payed just under $2000 for "full benefits." (<----- bit of a misnomer. Prescriptions are 80% covered, other rehab has different rates of coverage).
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Banana - 02-06-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I haven't been to a hospital in a while, but I went to a clinic a few months ago. You check in online, then they take a cell phone number and call you 30 min before you see a doctor. You tell them how long it will take you to get there and they adjust it accordingly. Total wait about 5 minutes.
Our clinic visit wait times aren't long. ER visits only.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-06-2008
Wow. I hope this works. I can get health care for $1,000 a year that I am paying $15,000 a year for now. Sweet. Go Hillary!
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 02-06-2008
Banana Wrote:Alberta Health Care covers the bare essentials. Dr. visits, lab tests, hospital stays, childbirth, x-rays, investigations.
I want to say that a normal childbirth costs around $10,000 when you add in pre-natal visits, delivery, etc. $1,000 a year for a family seems awful cheap.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Paddy - 02-06-2008
Everybody doesn't have a baby every year.
Health Care - The Democratic Thing - Banana - 02-06-2008
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I want to say that a normal childbirth costs around $10,000 when you add in pre-natal visits, delivery, etc. $1,000 a year for a family seems awful cheap.
Yeah. And the standard of my care when I had the baby was good. I was in the hospital for three days, had lactation consultants, 3 squares a day, formula for the baby (:roll: yah right)...at any rate, these aren't tent hospitals. They are good hospitals and good care (most of the time).