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How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:So them developing more WMD's is now a positive for Bush?Come on dude stick with one position.You were so proud of Bush's state of the union were he said we would not let rogue nations develop wmd's N korea in particular but now he backed out of that promise and were doing clinton era direct negotiations with them and you don't see the contradiction?
If you think China is really mad at N korea or if you think Japan has the military capability(which you did this afternoon until I educated you) to do anything about it you really don't understand asia.China is the puppet master, as soon as you get that the better.
So what will actually come out of that state of the union?
Iraq-Mess
N korea-Nukes
Iran-Nukes
I can see why you're so proud.
Where did i say that the positive for Bush is North Korea developing more WMD's. I never said that. What i said was, if there is a positive about how Bush has dealt with North Korea is he has forced him to come out in the open about what he was doing pre-Clinton, during Clinton, and during Bush. All hidden from the inspectors when he was letting them in (which was a long time ago).
His state of the union, that you think I am so proud of, but in fact I was only posting it so that people like you couldn't hunt and peck a half sentence here and there to support your "god help us the sky is falling" routine. Anyway, my point in posting the entire state of the union was to point out that in 2002, Bush pointed out who the real trouble makers were. Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. He didn't push them into what they were doing, they were already doing it. He just named them. Outloud. And, sure enough, they have proven to be exactly what he said. Now the global community can either deal with them for what they are, or continue to send them money and food and munitions and technology for their "nuclear power plants" that they said they were interested in all along.
The point is, now they are all uncovered. Out in the open. If nations continue to support them, then at least everyone knows what they are dealing with. North Korea is not nearly the threat to us that they are to Japan, South Korea and potentially China (in terms of humanitarian aid).
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:But people know shit will get fact checked.Do you understand the word liable?
How did they fact check the Watergate leak from "Deep Throat"? I can't remember.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
Tell you what BIRD, I gotta get home for the day. Try not to let your mangina bleed to death tonight. Those mean old arabs and north koreans aren't going to get you tonight. Have mommy tuck you in and tell you the story of how Jimmy Carter got our hostages out of Iran.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Where did i say that the positive for Bush is North Korea developing more WMD's. I never said that. What i said was, if there is a positive about how Bush has dealt with North Korea is he has forced him to come out in the open about what he was doing pre-Clinton, during Clinton, and during Bush. All hidden from the inspectors when he was letting them in (which was a long time ago).
His state of the union, that you think I am so proud of, but in fact I was only posting it so that people like you couldn't hunt and peck a half sentence here and there to support your "god help us the sky is falling" routine. Anyway, my point in posting the entire state of the union was to point out that in 2002, Bush pointed out who the real trouble makers were. Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. He didn't push them into what they were doing, they were already doing it. He just named them. Outloud. And, sure enough, they have proven to be exactly what he said. Now the global community can either deal with them for what they are, or continue to send them money and food and munitions and technology for their "nuclear power plants" that they said they were interested in all along.
The point is, now they are all uncovered. Out in the open. If nations continue to support them, then at least everyone knows what they are dealing with. North Korea is not nearly the threat to us that they are to Japan, South Korea and potentially China (in terms of humanitarian aid).
Don't act like N Korea isnt a threat to america when one nuke at the south korean border equals 30,000 dead american troops.
Ive got the "sky is falling argument"?We were scared into invading Iraq by Bush and his sky is falling,we have to do something before they attack bullshit so don't give me that crap.The thing about calling out rogue nations is when you call them out you better be on the verge of war because nothing good comes from putting their back against the wall which is pretty evident by the way Iran and Korea are now walking all over us.Wow great we called them out, what has that gotten us?They see what regime change has done to the unity of our country and they now know for sure we'll never invade.You convienantly didnt answer this question when I asked it before but I'll try it again.Would you or I be alive if past presidents took the same tact towards russia and their 1000's of WMD's during the cold war?That seems like a pretty imminent threat.Diplomacy needs to be absolutly exausted before we go to war and even then we need to be provoked not the violation of treaties that we let other countries(n korea) violate without batting an eye.Iraq was a country not a terrorist organization.Diplomacy is the backbone of civilized society and regime change goes against everything it means to be an american.This period of time if you can't tell already will be a dark period in american history.The now changing stance towards dealing with Korea is in direct conflict with his state of the union speech since now were directly dealing with a rogue nation.I think its good were dealing with them,I agree with bush's father's advisor but don't tell me that calling them out as part of the axis of evil has helped with either Iran or N korea.
"Donald Gregg, a U.S. ambassador to South Korea under Bush's father and now head of the New York-based Korea Society, said the crisis could have been averted if the current Bush administration had talked to the North Koreans directly. He visited Pyongyang in late 2002 and brought back a written offer from the North Koreans to negotiate one-on-one."
Gregg himself writes for the PostGlobal blog: "Why won't the Bush administration talk bilaterally and substantively with NK, as the Brits (and eventually the U.S.) did with Libya? Because the Bush administration sees diplomacy as something to be engaged in with another country as a reward for that country's good behavior. They seem not to see diplomacy as a tool to be used with antagonistic countries or parties, that might bring about an improvement in the behaviour of such entities, and a resolution to the issues that trouble us. Thus we do not talk to Iran, Syria, Hizballah or North Korea. We only talk to our friends -- a huge mistake."
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:How did they fact check the Watergate leak from "Deep Throat"? I can't remember.
Yea the editor of the washington post was the only other guy to know who deepthoat was and by "following the money" they confirmed his story.Its weird to be educating a guy who actually was alive when the events your schooling him on went down.Woodward was right during the most celebrated piece of investigative journalism ever, I wonder if he's right now?
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Tell you what BIRD, I gotta get home for the day. Try not to let your mangina bleed to death tonight. Those mean old arabs and north koreans aren't going to get you tonight. Have mommy tuck you in and tell you the story of how Jimmy Carter got our hostages out of Iran.
just say towel heads.You know thats the basis for your whole belief system when it comes to this.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Don't act like N Korea isnt a threat to america when one nuke at the south korean border equals 30,000 dead american troops.
They might could pull off throwing a dirty bomb over the border fence and managing that. I would picture some kind of long board balanced in the middle with the dirty bomb on one end and a bunch of fat north Koreans jumping on the other end to launch the warhead.
Quote:Ive got the "sky is falling argument"?We were scared into invading Iraq by Bush and his sky is falling,we have to do something before they attack bullshit so don't give me that crap.
Were you awake when this was happening? Bush, and most everyone else in Washington at the time, took a stand that AFTER 9-11 we were no longer going to wait until someone fired the first shot. We were going to go after the gathering storms before they hit us. I think he even quoted Kennedy in his speech about how you have to rid the world of a threat before it has a chance to act on its threats. Iraq was not only a threat to its neighbors in the Middle East, who it had attacked several times, but it was a direct threat to Israel and to any American in the Middle East. Fact check that.
Quote:The thing about calling out rogue nations is when you call them out you better be on the verge of war because nothing good comes from putting their back against the wall which is pretty evident by the way Iran and Korea are now walking all over us.Wow great we called them out, what has that gotten us?
Well, let's see, what has that gotten us. Iraq is no longer being run by Saddam Hussein. Iran is isolating itself from the global community, and the nut that runs Iran has begun to come off of his tough rehtoric and is now inviting inspectors into his nuclear facilities and is saying that they do not need a bomb and are not trying to make a bomb. Those are positive steps. North Korea has basically come out and thumbed its nose at every nation in the world. It won't be the US that has the most influence on what happens in North Korea. They will be dealt with by the other Asian countries and any sanctions imposed will have quick results. Surely these neighboring countries aren't going to continue to feed the people while the nation continues to spend every penny on arming itself for some huge war that nobody is trying to start. Who is North Korea afraid of? Why do they think that the US or anyone else is trying to invade them? Its all bullshit and done for show. That guy is just another Castro on steroids.
Quote:They see what regime change has done to the unity of our country and they now know for sure we'll never invade.
They see what our chicken shit, monday morning quarterback, no balls to finish a fight, sister cindy sheehan, rainbow tribe liberals that will do anything to create an issue to sway an election, can do to break the will of our country. Pop in a dixie chick cd in, sit back and read an editorial about how Bush lied, and then shoot your finger toward the troops.
Quote:You convienantly didnt answer this question when I asked it before but I'll try it again.Would you or I be alive if past presidents took the same tact towards russia and their 1000's of WMD's during the cold war?
Wow, let's see. This is sort of a different situation, since Russia was probably more powerful than we were at that time. Not quite the same thing as Saddam and his Bad News Bears Million Pussy Army.
What would we do. Well, let's say they started brining those WMD's right over here close enough to really do a number on us. Say they decided to put them in Cuba. What would we do? I would say that we would threaten a war with Russia and actually send battleships out ready to engage them at any cost.
When Kennedy stood up to the Russians that was huge. Absolutely huge. Before that, the Russians were feared like nothing we had ever feared before. But we stood up to them that day and they blinked first.
Quote:That seems like a pretty imminent threat.Diplomacy needs to be absolutly exausted before we go to war and even then we need to be provoked not the violation of treaties that we let other countries(n korea) violate without batting an eye.Iraq was a country not a terrorist organization.Diplomacy is the backbone of civilized society and regime change goes against everything it means to be an american.
Once again, I can't help but wonder where the fuck you've been the past 15 years. Bush I dealt with Saddam and his invasion of Kuwait. Do you know when that happened? August of 1990. 16 years ago. For no reason at all, other than to secure some more oil fields, Saddam invades Kuwait. We bail them out, stand up to his million man army, his Mother of All Battles. We had his men surrendering to reporters on the battlefield. But, did we take him out? No, we negotiated. We negotiated a no fly zone, we negotiated for inspectors to come into his country, for him to get rid of weapons and chemicals and all kinds of things. We continued those negotiations throughout Clinton's 8 years and Saddam continued to fight every one of them. So, I would say we did try diplomacy. We tried and tried and tried. Dozens of UN resolutions and Saddam defied every one of them. Yeah, I agree that diplomacy is the key. Regime change is a last resort. But when do you decide that its "last resort" time? Do you wait on them to do something really bad? Then how do you decide if it was "really bad enough"? There might be some that think he should be given another chance. Who decides when its time?
Quote:This period of time if you can't tell already will be a dark period in american history.The now changing stance towards dealing with Korea is in direct conflict with his state of the union speech since now were directly dealing with a rogue nation.
Once again, I have no idea what you are talking about. We've been dealing with North Korea for years. Negotiating with them, helping getting treaties drawn up to limit their nuclear ambitions. The six-party talks that we have been pushing, along with Japan and China are the best thing that has come along since NK backed out of its nuclear treaty in 2003. Where is his dealing with North Korea in "DIRECT CONFLICT" with his state of the union speech? Please cut and paste that quote. I can't find anything in that speech that says that his negotiations to disarm or limit military buildup of North Korea will not be done.
Quote:I think its good were dealing with them,I agree with bush's father's advisor but don't tell me that calling them out as part of the axis of evil has helped with either Iran or N korea.
Calling out Iran and North Korea as two parts of the Axis of Evil has helped.
Quote:"Donald Gregg, a U.S. ambassador to South Korea under Bush's father and now head of the New York-based Korea Society, said the crisis could have been averted if the current Bush administration had talked to the North Koreans directly. He visited Pyongyang in late 2002 and brought back a written offer from the North Koreans to negotiate one-on-one."
Gregg himself writes for the PostGlobal blog: "Why won't the Bush administration talk bilaterally and substantively with NK, as the Brits (and eventually the U.S.) did with Libya? Because the Bush administration sees diplomacy as something to be engaged in with another country as a reward for that country's good behavior. They seem not to see diplomacy as a tool to be used with antagonistic countries or parties, that might bring about an improvement in the behaviour of such entities, and a resolution to the issues that trouble us. Thus we do not talk to Iran, Syria, Hizballah or North Korea. We only talk to our friends -- a huge mistake."
Has that guy heard about the six party talks that we've been pushing? Ask him and let me know. Otherwise, tell him to shut the fuck up. Thanks.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Bill - 10-12-2006
I love getting you two worked up.
This fucker will go all week and only be forgotten by the existance of the weekend.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:just say towel heads.You know thats the basis for your whole belief system when it comes to this.
To me, to use the world towelhead, its a derogatory word that applies to some people. Towelheads are non-thinking people in the muslim world that hate non-muslims because its what they are told to do. They may have never met a non-muslim, but because someone tells them there is a jihad, they have enough hate in them that they will strap on a dynamite jacket and walk onto a bus and martyr themselves. All done because it is a profit center for the ones that stir up the shit. Its a way a few clerics and nutballs have decided to make money in the muslim world. Sell this story about how the crusaders are back. Holy war time. Send money to the church and we'll fight them to the death.
Oh, and if you could get your kid to strap on this bomb and run into that Starbucks, that'd be sweet. You'll be heroes, we'll give you some money, and you can light candles for your martyered son that now has a bunch of virgins.
Do I think that some professor over hear from India that wears a turbon because that's his native dress, is a towel head? No.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Blondie - 10-12-2006
Shenanigans Wrote:I love getting you two worked up.
This fucker will go all week and only be forgotten by the existance of the weekend.
This place would suck without these two.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Bill - 10-12-2006
Blondie Wrote:This place would suck without these two.
:fuckYou:
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Yea the editor of the washington post was the only other guy to know who deepthoat was and by "following the money" they confirmed his story.Its weird to be educating a guy who actually was alive when the events your schooling him on went down.Woodward was right during the most celebrated piece of investigative journalism ever, I wonder if he's right now?
So, what you are saying is that the publisher of Woodward's book did a fact check on every single interview that Woodward did and put in his book? Would that be like the same kind of publisher that published James Frey's book?
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Sassy - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Are all ?BIRD33 Wrote:Yea the editor of the washington post was the only other guy to know who deepthoat was and by "following the money" they confirmed his story.Its weird to be educating a guy who actually was alive when the events your schooling him on went down.Woodward was right during the most celebrated piece of investigative journalism ever, I wonder if he's right now?
So, what you are saying is that the publisher of Woodward's book did a fact check on every single interview that Woodward did and put in his book? Would that be like the same kind of publisher that published James Frey's book?
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Blondie - 10-12-2006
Shenanigans Wrote::fuckYou:
Shit!
What I meant to say was...
I only come here to read your stuff.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Bill - 10-12-2006
Blondie Wrote:Shit!
What I meant to say was...
I only come here to read your stuff.
It's just not the same now that you ruined it.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:They might could pull off throwing a dirty bomb over the border fence and managing that. I would picture some kind of long board balanced in the middle with the dirty bomb on one end and a bunch of fat north Koreans jumping on the other end to launch the warhead.
They have the 3rd or 4th biggest army in the world.You wouldnt be the first dumbass texan to underestimate the realitys of going to war.Do you realize they sell Long range missles to Iran than go a hell of alot further than you realize.Of course you don't.
Were you awake when this was happening? Bush, and most everyone else in Washington at the time, took a stand that AFTER 9-11 we were no longer going to wait until someone fired the first shot. We were going to go after the gathering storms before they hit us. I think he even quoted Kennedy in his speech about how you have to rid the world of a threat before it has a chance to act on its threats. Iraq was not only a threat to its neighbors in the Middle East, who it had attacked several times, but it was a direct threat to Israel and to any American in the Middle East. Fact check that.
You can quote Kennedy but that doesnt mean shit.He can proclaim that he's not going to stand for threats but when you start preemptive attacks on countrys that opens it up for other countries like china(tiawan) doing the same thing and thats not good.If the american people arent behind him it doesnt matter what he proclaims,he works for us and we arent behind him because he lies.
Well, let's see, what has that gotten us. Iraq is no longer being run by Saddam Hussein. Iran is isolating itself from the global community, and the nut that runs Iran has begun to come off of his tough rehtoric and is now inviting inspectors into his nuclear facilities and is saying that they do not need a bomb and are not trying to make a bomb. Those are positive steps. North Korea has basically come out and thumbed its nose at every nation in the world. It won't be the US that has the most influence on what happens in North Korea. They will be dealt with by the other Asian countries and any sanctions imposed will have quick results. Surely these neighboring countries aren't going to continue to feed the people while the nation continues to spend every penny on arming itself for some huge war that nobody is trying to start. Who is North Korea afraid of? Why do they think that the US or anyone else is trying to invade them? Its all bullshit and done for show. That guy is just another Castro on steroids.
They see what our chicken shit, monday morning quarterback, no balls to finish a fight, sister cindy sheehan, rainbow tribe liberals that will do anything to create an issue to sway an election, can do to break the will of our country. Pop in a dixie chick cd in, sit back and read an editorial about how Bush lied, and then shoot your finger toward the troops.
70% of the country is cindy sheehan?By the way she's given more to the country than you have waving your flag.
Wow, let's see. This is sort of a different situation, since Russia was probably more powerful than we were at that time. Not quite the same thing as Saddam and his Bad News Bears Million Pussy Army.
What would we do. Well, let's say they started brining those WMD's right over here close enough to really do a number on us. Say they decided to put them in Cuba. What would we do? I would say that we would threaten a war with Russia and actually send battleships out ready to engage them at any cost.
When Kennedy stood up to the Russians that was huge. Absolutely huge. Before that, the Russians were feared like nothing we had ever feared before. But we stood up to them that day and they blinked first.
When you say stood up you mean diplomacy.Imagine that.
Once again, I can't help but wonder where the fuck you've been the past 15 years. Bush I dealt with Saddam and his invasion of Kuwait. Do you know when that happened? August of 1990. 16 years ago. For no reason at all, other than to secure some more oil fields, Saddam invades Kuwait. We bail them out, stand up to his million man army, his Mother of All Battles. We had his men surrendering to reporters on the battlefield. But, did we take him out? No, we negotiated. We negotiated a no fly zone, we negotiated for inspectors to come into his country, for him to get rid of weapons and chemicals and all kinds of things. We continued those negotiations throughout Clinton's 8 years and Saddam continued to fight every one of them. So, I would say we did try diplomacy. We tried and tried and tried. Dozens of UN resolutions and Saddam defied every one of them. Yeah, I agree that diplomacy is the key. Regime change is a last resort. But when do you decide that its "last resort" time? Do you wait on them to do something really bad? Then how do you decide if it was "really bad enough"? There might be some that think he should be given another chance. Who decides when its time?
you contain them like we did with russia.Iraq had the least ties to terrorist organizations than any country in the mideast like Iran and including Saudia Arabia the country we back that had 15 hijackers take part in 9\11.You are simply clueless as to American history and what it actually means to do a preemptive war and how it changes us.You don't care and bush doesnt care obviously.For christ sake we attacked a crippled country that had nothing to do with 9\11 or alqieda.
Once again, I have no idea what you are talking about. We've been dealing with North Korea for years. Negotiating with them, helping getting treaties drawn up to limit their nuclear ambitions. The six-party talks that we have been pushing, along with Japan and China are the best thing that has come along since NK backed out of its nuclear treaty in 2003. Where is his dealing with North Korea in "DIRECT CONFLICT" with his state of the union speech? Please cut and paste that quote. I can't find anything in that speech that says that his negotiations to disarm or limit military buildup of North Korea will not be done.
Go back to the first paragraph you wrote about how bush said we won't stand for rogue nations developing wmd's and we'll take them out before they can threaten us.N korea testing nukes is a DIRECT CONFLICT with the bush doctrine that he laid out in that speech.Remember the editorial I posted on page two or three that said the Bush Doctrine(State of the union speech) was dead.Going by his speech we should not have let them develop WMD's but they did and Bush's speech is worthless.I can't beleive you don't get what the rest of us see.
Calling out Iran and North Korea as two parts of the Axis of Evil has helped.
they both are more dangerous than ever and they know we are stretched so thin we'll never invade.How is this better?
Has that guy heard about the six party talks that we've been pushing? Ask him and let me know. Otherwise, tell him to shut the fuck up. Thanks.
He knows the region as he was bush sr's advisor on it and lives and breaths the conflict every day and he said bush's 6 party talks were never going to work.Flump just so you know the 6 party talks was bush's original plan 8 years ago, they arent doing that anymore and going back to clinton's direct negotiotaing because Bush's plan failed.I love how you don't even know whats going on but still back whatever bush does even after bush himself admits it failed
Know what bush's policies are before you defend them.Don't bother responding, I've lost interest in arguing with someone that ignores facts on the ground and experts who have no partisan leanings.Ignoring Bush sr's father advisor on the issue and asking if he heard of the six party talks even though it's already failed was embarrassing for you.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:So, what you are saying is that the publisher of Woodward's book did a fact check on every single interview that Woodward did and put in his book? Would that be like the same kind of publisher that published James Frey's book?
James Frey is now compared to Bob Woodward?Keep reaching, it doesnt look desperate or anything.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - BIRD33 - 10-12-2006
Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:To me, to use the world towelhead, its a derogatory word that applies to some people. Towelheads are non-thinking people in the muslim world that hate non-muslims because its what they are told to do. They may have never met a non-muslim, but because someone tells them there is a jihad, they have enough hate in them that they will strap on a dynamite jacket and walk onto a bus and martyr themselves. All done because it is a profit center for the ones that stir up the shit. Its a way a few clerics and nutballs have decided to make money in the muslim world. Sell this story about how the crusaders are back. Holy war time. Send money to the church and we'll fight them to the death.
Oh, and if you could get your kid to strap on this bomb and run into that Starbucks, that'd be sweet. You'll be heroes, we'll give you some money, and you can light candles for your martyered son that now has a bunch of virgins.
Do I think that some professor over hear from India that wears a turbon because that's his native dress, is a towel head? No.
Sure.
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Know what bush's policies are before you defend them.Don't bother responding, I've lost interest in arguing with someone that ignores facts on the ground and experts who have no partisan leanings.Ignoring Bush sr's father advisor on the issue and asking if he heard of the six party talks even though it's already failed was embarrassing for you.
Thanks for burying your stupidity inside a quote so I can't address it individually.
Yeah, North Korea has a huge army. Lots of guys. No money to feed them with, but tons of guys that know how to march real cool. Maybe they'll march over hear across the Bearing Straits and invade us. I hope China gives them enough food to get here.
If China gets into a problem with a rogue nation and spends 15 or 20 years of negotiating, sancations, treaties, discussions with the global community, everything they can to get them to drop their threats, then more power to them. I'd say we'd probably help them out if they felt a pre-emptive strike was a last resort.
When I say "stood up" concerning the Cuban Missle Crisis, I mean sending navy destroyers to blockade the country of cuba and announcing to the Soviets that we were prepared for "any eventuality". That was standing up to them. A little outside the realm of diplomacy, which had been tried and failed.
So, you think we should have just contained Iraq? Just build a fence around them? Don't let anyone smuggle any weapons or nuclear material in? Do you maybe think that any of those UN sanctions we had that he said "fuck you" to were designed to contain him? Why don't you suggest your "containment" theory now, while these insurgents are pouring in. Containment without Saddam is the best of both worlds.
As far as Bush's State of the Union and your "editorial" take on it, I disagree. I read it. I posted it. Show me where he said in that speech that he will not use diplomacy to keep a rogue nation from developing WMD's. Its not in there. You can keep quoting the editorial, but since the editorial is referencing the State of the Union, why not just go back to the State of the Union speech and pull out the facts that back up your stupid claim.
The Six Party talks have been going on as recently as a year ago. But I'm still not sure what your point is. Is it that Bush should negotiate with North Korea like he has tried to do with these talks or that he shouldn't. You're not making any sense.
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Don't bother responding (read: I can't take it anymore).
I've lost interest (read: you win).
How long before shit gets outta control with North Korea? - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 10-12-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:James Frey is now compared to Bob Woodward?Keep reaching, it doesnt look desperate or anything.
No. James Frey's publisher is now compared to Bob Woodward's publisher. "Fact checking is too expensive". Fact check that.